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Sean said:
He didn't really have much choice seeing as the only other superpower on the planet tried to kill him dozens of times and tried to invade his country to restore the criminal tyrant Batista to power. Fidel had his faults, Human Rights Watch and Amnesty have documented thr repression of political dissidents for decades, but he stood up to US imperialism and kept his nation together through a crippling, illegal, US embargo. He was a long way from an enlightened liberal leader but he was far better than a shitload of the murdering scumbags that the US was propping up in Central and South America and Africa.
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He had his faults? How fucking stupid can you get?
 
This is a godsend for our President.

;)

He gets to take the news cycle back away from Donald Trump as he publicly mourns and lauds the passing of this great and consequential world leader...

A day that all the Clinton voters can feel one last day of swelling pride at the difference between their America and racist America.
 
Sean said:
STFU, Miles.
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I don't know what that's supposed to mean but I do know you're an ignorant SOB. Next you'll tell us Hitler did some good things like the Autobahn. In your diseased mind murder and torture are faults.
 
It's almost painful reading through this thread.

Castro replaced Batista, fine. Batista was a criminal thug responsible for the deaths of thousands of Cubans. Castro was also a thug responsible for the death of thousands of Cubans. (It will be years before we'll know how many Cubans died at the hands of Castro.) Castro's only grace was that he wasn't aligned with the US mob, he had a mob of his own.

The US was generally favorable towards Castro's ouster of Batista. Batista was refused asylum in the US at the time. His ties to the mob were well known and the AG at the time was Bobby Kennedy who was on a crusade to take out the mob. There was no way in hell Batista was going to be granted asylum, or ever have US backing for a return to power.

The beef with Castro was over his conversion of all foreign held properties, most of which were US owned, into state properties without compensation. We probably would have overlooked his conversion of those properties jointly held by the mob and Batista, but there were many legitimate concerns doing business in Cuba, employing many Cubans, that were converted as well. Then there was his alignment with the Soviets.

And who could ever forget his long winded, rambling, often contradictory, and sometimes incoherent speeches at the UN? I believe that Ahmadinejad may have broken Castro's record for long windedness.

Castro impoverished and entire nation and then blamed it on the US. Castro had the rest of the entire world to do business with. The problem wasn't the US, it was the fact that he really had nothing to offer..............except sugar.

The US embargo on Cuban sugar had little effect on their economy. Yes, we did subsidize, and still do, domestic producers (a subsidy that should have ended long ago). But if sugar was a commodity in such high demand Cuba should have had no problem developing other export markets. For a bit they were sustained by the Soviets who paid almost twice market value for Cuban sugar just to prop up the Castro regime. But even the soviets realized they were throwing good money after bad.

Castro did export 'revolution.' A commodity that he couldn't afford. Albeit I suspect that he did find some benefit from the deaths of the 'revolutionaries' that died on foreign soil, fewer mouths to feed back home. Monies spent that might as well have been flushed down the toilet. So many industries could have been built in Cuba that weren't for no other reason than Castro's obstinacy. Hopefully the leaders that replace the Castro's and their hand chosen cronies will make the much needed changes.

My long association with the Cuban community in S. Florida showed me that they are an industrious, innovative, people with a thirst for education/knowledge. Their sole flaw was an almost genetic predisposition towards the Patron system when it came to politics, a predisposition shared with virtually all of the Latin nations. But that too seems to be being bred out of their culture, in S. Florida anyway.

He wasn't a great man, just another petty tyrant whose sole saving grace, if you can call it that, was the ouster of Batista.

Ishmael
 
Ishmael said:
It's almost painful reading through this thread.

Castro replaced Batista, fine. Batista was a criminal thug responsible for the deaths of thousands of Cubans. Castro was also a thug responsible for the death of thousands of Cubans. (It will be years before we'll know how many Cubans died at the hands of Castro.) Castro's only grace was that he wasn't aligned with the US mob, he had a mob of his own.

The US was generally favorable towards Castro's ouster of Batista. Batista was refused asylum in the US at the time. His ties to the mob were well known and the AG at the time was Bobby Kennedy who was on a crusade to take out the mob. There was no way in hell Batista was going to be granted asylum, or ever have US backing for a return to power.

The beef with Castro was over his conversion of all foreign held properties, most of which were US owned, into state properties without compensation. We probably would have overlooked his conversion of those properties jointly held by the mob and Batista, but there were many legitimate concerns doing business in Cuba, employing many Cubans, that were converted as well. Then there was his alignment with the Soviets.

And who could ever forget his long winded, rambling, often contradictory, and sometimes incoherent speeches at the UN? I believe that Ahmadinejad may have broken Castro's record for long windedness.

Castro impoverished and entire nation and then blamed it on the US. Castro had the rest of the entire world to do business with. The problem wasn't the US, it was the fact that he really had nothing to offer..............except sugar.

The US embargo on Cuban sugar had little effect on their economy. Yes, we did subsidize, and still do, domestic producers (a subsidy that should have ended long ago). But if sugar was a commodity in such high demand Cuba should have had no problem developing other export markets. For a bit they were sustained by the Soviets who paid almost twice market value for Cuban sugar just to prop up the Castro regime. But even the soviets realized they were throwing good money after bad.

Castro did export 'revolution.' A commodity that he couldn't afford. Albeit I suspect that he did find some benefit from the deaths of the 'revolutionaries' that died on foreign soil, fewer mouths to feed back home. Monies spent that might as well have been flushed down the toilet. So many industries could have been built in Cuba that weren't for no other reason than Castro's obstinacy. Hopefully the leaders that replace the Castro's and their hand chosen cronies will make the much needed changes.

My long association with the Cuban community in S. Florida showed me that they are an industrious, innovative, people with a thirst for education/knowledge. Their sole flaw was an almost genetic predisposition towards the Patron system when it came to politics, a predisposition shared with virtually all of the Latin nations. But that too seems to be being bred out of their culture, in S. Florida anyway.

He wasn't a great man, just another petty tyrant whose sole saving grace, if you can call it that, was the ouster of Batista.

Ishmael
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4est_4est_Gump said:
This is a godsend for our President.

;)

He gets to take the news cycle back away from Donald Trump as he publicly mourns and lauds the passing of this great and consequential world leader...

A day that all the Clinton voters can feel one last day of swelling pride at the difference between their America and racist America.
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Obama will remind us of their superb healthcare and education systems.
 
Yes, let us not ever forget that he exported death to South America and Africa on Russian Rubles...


;) ;)

Batista kept it all at home.
 


You really should get some professional help.

These days, they can successfully treat cases of terminal and self-consuming envy and jealousy.

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water505 said:
Obama will remind us of their superb healthcare and education systems.
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Not to mention how they provided the poor with rice-cookers.


But, this, this will be tantamount to a second Nobel-prize winning speech...


He will have Colin Kaepernick in tow to sing the Hallelujah chorus and shout out the AMENS!
 
It's nice to sit here in this ivory tower, with the US having been such a benign force in the world over the past 50 years or so. Never invading other countries to force our version of society on them, nor ever going to war to protect our corporate interests.

The USA is as pure as the newly driven snow!

:rolleyes:

That fucking terror exporter Castro interfered with Granada!
 
JohnnySavage said:
It's nice to sit here in this ivory tower, with the US having been such a benign force in the world over the past 50 years or so. Never invading other countries to force our version of society on them, nor ever going to war to protect our corporate interests.

The USA is as pure as the newly driven snow!

:rolleyes:

That fucking terror exporter Castro interfered with Granada!
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So, do we put political dissenters in jail, torture and murder them?

If we do not, then this is a false equivalency.
 
Sean said:
In sub zero temperatures.
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God forbid that anybody pay the slightest attention to actual facts.




1.CLAIM: The pipeline encroaches on indigenous lands.

TRUTH: The Dakota Access Pipeline traverses a path on private property and does not cross into the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe’s reservation. 100% of landowners in North Dakota voluntarily signed easements to allow for construction of the pipeline on their property.

Nearly the entire route of the 1,172 mile pipeline has been sited and approved by relevant state and federal agencies and more than 22% of the pipeline has already been completed. To the extent possible, the Dakota Access Pipeline was routed to parallel existing infrastructure, such as the Northern Border Pipeline, to avoid environmentally sensitive areas and areas of potential cultural significance.



2. CLAIM: The pipeline exposes the Tribe’s water supply to contamination.

TRUTH: Pipelines are – by far – the safest way to transport energy liquids and gases. Already, 8 pipelines cross the Missouri River carrying hundreds of thousands of barrels of energy products every day. That includes the Northern Border natural gas pipeline – built in 1982 – that parallels the planned crossing for Dakota Access for 40 miles as well as high voltage transmission power lines. Once completed, the Dakota Access Pipeline will be among the safest, most technologically advanced pipelines in the world.

In addition, the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe’s water intake is scheduled to be moved by the end by of the year. The Missouri River intake serving the Tribe is being switched to Mobridge, South Dakota, nearly 50 miles south of the current water intake and about 70 miles south of the planned Dakota Access river crossing.



3. CLAIM: The tribal community was not part of the discussion.

TRUTH: 389 meetings took place between the U.S. Army Corps and 55 tribes about the Dakota Access project. In addition the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe met individually with the U.S. Army Corps nearly a dozen times to discuss archaeological and other surveys conducted to finalize the Dakota Access route.

Based on input from a number of sources, the pipeline route was adjusted in September 2014, to shorten the pipeline by 11 miles, avoid buildings and other structures, and cross fewer waterways and roads.



4. CLAIM: The pipeline is disrupting areas of cultural significance.

TRUTH: Safeguarding and ensuring the longevity of culturally significant artifacts and sites is of interest to all Americans. That’s why the Dakota Access Pipeline traverses a path on private property. And the Dakota Access Pipeline was routed to parallel existing infrastructure, such as the Northern Border Pipeline and high voltage transmission power lines. Therefore the Dakota Access route has already been under construction twice before. Designing the route to parallel existing infrastructure mitigates any additional impacts to the environment and avoids areas of potential cultural significance.

Additionally, on site there are professional archeologists who are able to identify and properly tend to artifacts and evidence of culturally significant sites if any not identified by the surveys are discovered.



5. CLAIM: On site protests have been peaceful.

TRUTH: Unfortunately, the emotionally charged atmosphere has led to several outbreaks of violence which has endangered the safety of the workers and the protesters themselves. Protesters have rushed police lines, threatened and assaulted private security officers, and thrown rocks and bottles at workers. And let’s remember, the work that is being done is in full accordance with all state and federal regulations and on private property – not on reservation land.



6. CLAIM: A young girl from the Tribe was mauled by a security dog.

TRUTH: This is a doctored photo. The original is from a June 2012 article from the New York Daily News.


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