If Bernie Sanders hadn't been cheated by Clinton.
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he would have made a lot of pie-in-the-sky proposals that went absolutely nowhere and then would have whined that the duly elected Republicans put in place to prevent Obama from doing anything else as stupid as the ACA were preventing him from doing something stupid.
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He would have made an overly long inauguration speech and died of pneumonia.
At that point he would be replaced by, ummm, by...well...you know. The other person on his ticket.
At that point he would be replaced by, ummm, by...well...you know. The other person on his ticket.
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There are no done deals in American politics.
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Sanders became a parasite on the Democrat party when no-one else made a serious run in the primaries against Clinton. He was not a member of the party and if there had been a decent debate instead of an attempted coronation (of Clinton) he would just have been considered the silly old buffer he is, rather than a serious contender.
Obviously by tying up the super-delegates Clinton's people dissuaded any sensible alternatives from running against her. Clinton and her advisors were scared of an electable alternative emerging, like Obama did in 2008. That left an opening for Sanders.
Had he been the candidate he would not have got a single electoral college vote. Americans will not elect a socialist, period.
The Democrats should now pick out the young talent which supported Sanders and turn them into good party machine people. Sanders himself should be dumped into the deepest hole the party can find. Clinton should go there too, the sooner the D's put them firmly in the past the better.
Obviously by tying up the super-delegates Clinton's people dissuaded any sensible alternatives from running against her. Clinton and her advisors were scared of an electable alternative emerging, like Obama did in 2008. That left an opening for Sanders.
Had he been the candidate he would not have got a single electoral college vote. Americans will not elect a socialist, period.
The Democrats should now pick out the young talent which supported Sanders and turn them into good party machine people. Sanders himself should be dumped into the deepest hole the party can find. Clinton should go there too, the sooner the D's put them firmly in the past the better.
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If Bernie Sanders hadn't been cheated by Clinton, Clinton would still have won the nomination, and Bernie supporters would have been less angry. A few more would have voted for her, probably enough to win the rust belt and the white house.
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False premise.
He was cheated by no one. He knew the rules when he went in, he knew the rules, he knew his role was to lose (to make her look more centrist) and the tell was when he declared that he was tired of the emails.
He was a Judas goat. He led, they followed...
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Clinton colluding with the DNC was only one of three factors that doomed his run.
The other two were the super delegates who all declared for Hillary before any votes were even cast and a highly biased MSM that mocked him as a nut-job up until the point when the crowds he was drawing made them stop and take notice.
Take away all 3 of these and I have no doubt he would have won. Was the collusion with the DNC enough on it's own, probably not.
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Yeah and?
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How many Republican nominees have won the Popular but lost the Electoral?
Well he was ripped off that's for sure by Clinton
but he would have lost too!! No one wants a socialist party or a dem-o-crap. If you want to blame someone blame the so called man in office now! Obama tried everything to destroy this country and cause hate between the races!!! We're sick of paying for people who can't get out of bed, take drugs and screw and gave kids they don't want and sucking the country dry. None of these people contribute anything to the welfare of the USA> Sort of like the college kids demonstrating now. Grow up and realized we don't want the same or worst of what we have now.
but he would have lost too!! No one wants a socialist party or a dem-o-crap. If you want to blame someone blame the so called man in office now! Obama tried everything to destroy this country and cause hate between the races!!! We're sick of paying for people who can't get out of bed, take drugs and screw and gave kids they don't want and sucking the country dry. None of these people contribute anything to the welfare of the USA> Sort of like the college kids demonstrating now. Grow up and realized we don't want the same or worst of what we have now.
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Obama was called a Socialist and was elected. TWICE.
So, is the bold part of your statement untrue or do the American people actually want a Socialist?
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I supported Bernie; and voted for Johnson.
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Why does that matter?
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It's ok, Faneros, I didn't expect honesty from ya.
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Again, I'll ask. Why does it matter?
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I have. Sure, he was a force to be reckoned with, and he pulled in a lot of independents and usually apathetic voters, and with a split mainstream field, I have no doubt he could have pulled a Trump.
But there were also a lot of main fold, life long Dems who truly believed in the cautious centre-left brand, who wanted Clinton for numerous reasons, and who saw Sanders as unelectable. In hindsight, they might have been wrong, but they were de facto there in solid numbers.
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You do realize that the popular vote makes absolutely no difference at all in electing our president, right? Her "lead" could grow to 60 million votes and it wouldn't change the outcome at all.
Isn't it remarkable how much of her support seems to have come in after the polls have closed?.... and in heavilly Democratic districts where, remarkably, 98% of everyone who lives there got out and voted.
Pretty hilarious that because of their vilification of Trump supporters they had no idea which States they needed to stuff the most ballots in.
Apparently they didn't tell The Californians that there was no need for voter fraud beyond allowing illegal aliens to vote because California was going to go for Clinton regardless.
You can't really blame the local California officials for stuffing the ballot boxes in frustration and desperation when they had heard by then that Clinton was going to lose.
Cue the crys of "No EVIDENCE" that the fraud we have no system in place to prevent, and that we do not look for, is happening.
There is NO VOTER FRAUD. Ever. And if there is it would never be enough to effect an election. Well of course except in Florida they gave Bush the election and Al Franken seat which was won by 347 fraudulent votes....
Local officials in heavily Republican or heavily Democratic districts commit voter fraud all the time to benefit local pols and tge patronage system. Only one party denies this. The Democrats. So who do you think is better at it?
The right wing media at CNBC: http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/04/rigged-elections-are-real-commentary.html
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I'm not so sure. Voting against Hillary Clinton was a pretty big draw. If Sanders had won there would be no Wikileaks to fully expose how absolutely corrupt the Clinton organization campaign and big media was that was a huge factor in getting out the Trump vote.. I could see Trump supporters being complacent about a Bernie Sanders presidency and his supporters being very fired up and probably undercounted.
Polling would have been completely different because polling organizations would not have gone with the assumption (that they had to know was incorrect) that if you didn't vote in the Obama / Romney election you probably wouldn't come out to vote in a Sanders / Trump election. Two outsiders running were obviously going to bring out non-traditional voters.
In that hypothetical matchup I could see supporting Sanders with the theory that he would get absolutely no support from Congress with his crazy ideas and would not be reelected.
I doubt I'm going to like Trump's policies.
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I don't agree with your position, but opinions are like assholes, after all, and often don't merit a full-throated response.
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