Perhaps an explanation for why women have no empathy for men?

[LJ_Reloaded]

Warning: big words ahead, not too many of you are smart enough to comprehend this.

http://it-goes-both-ways.tumblr.com...you-think-that-there-is-something-going-on-in

Generally, when they see a woman being beaten by a man, they feel empathy, sympathy and anger. When they see a woman doing it to a man, they often think “he must have done something to deserve it” or “he must have been abusive”. They automatically come to the woman’s defence no matter who is the victim. While a man who sees another man being beaten, also usually comes to the woman’s aid, sometimes even joining in the beating, as with one case recently (which I can’t find but I think it was mentioned by Sargon). I hope he feels like shit over it.

Feminism, as Karen Straughan says, is just female behaviour politicised.

I’m not saying all women hate men, #NotAll. For the most part it’s not overt hatred of all men, but a lack of empathy, which can be very powerful. It’s why we can send millions to die against their will. They don’t necessarily hate men, they just don’t care. That’s why I refer to this as “selective sociopathy”, because it is the complete lack of any ability to sympathise and empathise with an entire demographic. Often they can only see men, collectively, as a threat. This combined with any perceived advantage towards men in society leads to resentment and then to hatred. It’s always been like that. It’s no surprise that we have feminists like Elizabeth (why did she have to have my name?) Sheehey advocating to give women the right to murder any man with the excuse of “battered woman syndrome” (hope it’s not contagious), even if they’d never been beaten by that particular man. If you believe that men naturally oppress, rape and murder women (as so, so many people believe Muslim men do) giving women the right to murder men is just a natural progression from that.

Powerful stuff.

This is proof that men let women get away with far more than women let men get away with. Women aren't lesser creatures - it's just that men fail to set boundaries and so collectively, women's behavior has settled to the lowest common denominator. The most egregious examples of male privilege is just like this - people like Trump, for instance, represent what men sink to when both men and women fail to set boundaries for them.

The problem isn't women, it's men failing to set boundaries.

Sensible men would simply refuse to interact with women who show no empathy for men. If enough men do this, the entire culture will change. It's no different than how women set boundaries for men and socially banish men who cross those boundaries. Refusing to deal with low-empathy women also lacks the element of coercion: the only coercion would be if men were forced to give them anything, and nobody can hope to call for that.

Women's lack of empathy for men is a huge problem that dates back to the dawn of the human species. But it's also a problem that men contribute to, so it's a problem men can fix.

 

[Rachel_X]

I feel no empathy for anyone.
Plenty of men have tried to fix that and they all failed.

 

[Tigersman]

If women really wanted to change the way they are treated worldwide, they could do it in less than 30 days. All women would have to do is refuse to cook, clean, have sex, run the errands and take care of the children. If all women did this it would bring men down to their knees fast.

 

[Rachel_X]

If women really wanted to change the way they are treated worldwide, they could do it in less than 30 days. All women would have to do is refuse to cook, clean, have sex, run the errands and take care of the children. If all women did this it would bring men down to their knees fast.

If I did that then I would starve to death.

 

[sharingfantasies]

If women really wanted to change the way they are treated worldwide, they could do it in less than 30 days. All women would have to do is refuse to cook, clean, have sex, run the errands and take care of the children. If all women did this it would bring men down to their knees fast.

Pretty much how we got the vote. Most men will give up any of their ideals if it means not sleeping on the couch.

 

[Tigersman]

Rachel are you saying that your husband does the cooking?

 

[KimGordon67]

Warning: big words ahead, not too many of you are smart enough to comprehend this.

http://it-goes-both-ways.tumblr.com...you-think-that-there-is-something-going-on-in

Powerful stuff.

This is proof that men let women get away with far more than women let men get away with. Women aren't lesser creatures - it's just that men fail to set boundaries and so collectively, women's behavior has settled to the lowest common denominator. The most egregious examples of male privilege is just like this - people like Trump, for instance, represent what men sink to when both men and women fail to set boundaries for them.

The problem isn't women, it's men failing to set boundaries.

Sensible men would simply refuse to interact with women who show no empathy for men. If enough men do this, the entire culture will change. It's no different than how women set boundaries for men and socially banish men who cross those boundaries. Refusing to deal with low-empathy women also lacks the element of coercion: the only coercion would be if men were forced to give them anything, and nobody can hope to call for that.

Women's lack of empathy for men is a huge problem that dates back to the dawn of the human species. But it's also a problem that men contribute to, so it's a problem men can fix.

Someone *saying* something isn't proof of anything other than what they think (and often not even that). I'd be genuinely surprised if you could find any evidence for 'women's' (as a category) lack of empathy for 'men' (as a category) because ... tah dah ... there isn't any. The example given in the quote is bollocks - I have clear evidence that things don't always work that way at all.

I know I'm not the first person to ask this ... but really, why DO you hate women so much?

 

[Rachel_X]

Rachel are you saying that your husband does the cooking?

I do the cooking.
If I don't cook then I don't eat.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

If women really wanted to change the way they are treated worldwide, they could do it in less than 30 days. All women would have to do is refuse to cook, clean, have sex, run the errands and take care of the children. If all women did this it would bring men down to their knees fast.

Then men could quit running the power plants and trucks and oil refineries. Then everyone falls to their knees, mostly dead, when the winter hits.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Someone *saying* something isn't proof of anything other than what they think (and often not even that). I'd be genuinely surprised if you could find any evidence for 'women's' (as a category) lack of empathy for 'men' (as a category) because ... tah dah ... there isn't any. The example given in the quote is bollocks - I have clear evidence that things don't always work that way at all.

I know I'm not the first person to ask this ... but really, why DO you hate women so much?

Ask a woman what she thinks of a man being abused by his girlfriend/wife

No, wait, better yet, observe.
http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2741047

'You Go Girl'?

Verbal and physical abuse of men by women might be an acknowledged problem, but will people try to stop it when "Primetime"'s hidden cameras are rolling?

One after another, passersby witnessed the abusive scene… and kept right on going.

Mathilda was one of those bystanders. She says she didn't think the man was in any physical danger, and could probably take care of himself. "I didn't immediately think to protect the man at all," she said. "It didn't look like any harm was being done."

The reaction of another woman, Lynda, was stunning. As our actress continued to heap abuse on her make-believe boyfriend, she walked by the scene and pumped her fist in a show of sisterly solidarity.

"Good for you. You Go, Girl!" is how Lynda recalls her reaction.

"I was thinking he probably did something really bad," she said. "Maybe she caught him cheating or something like that…and [it] made her lose it and slap him in the face. I reacted like, 'Yes. Woman power.'"

This type of reaction didn't come as a surprise to Keating. Observers often excuse their "own lack of response by denigrating the victim and making up stories that he really deserved the punishment he was receiving," Keating says.

Video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlFAd4YdQks

Now let's ask a woman what she'd say if a man said he was raped.
http://www.feministcurrent.com/2014/12/15/why-are-we-supposed-to-believe-shia-labeouf/

But to say that “believing male victims” is a “feminist imperative” isn’t actually true. As some feminist writers have pointed out, this kind of analysis fails to understand or acknowledge what feminism actually does. Feminism explicitly and necessarily is about understanding the fact that, and the way in which, men, as a class, oppress women, as a class. There is no equivalency in rape because men and women do not share similar experiences of gender oppression… because men do not, in fact, experience oppression because of their gender — women do.

West argues that LaBeouf’s gender is irrelevant to his victimization and the narrative surrounding victimization which is also decidedly false. Of course the way we perceive and discuss victimization and sexual assault is gendered — victimization and sexual assault are gendered.

This is not to say that men and boys cannot be raped — certainly they can and do experience sexual assault (generally at the hands of other males). At the same time, it isn’t clear what exactly happened to LaBeouf and whether or not it constitutes “rape.” As Sarah Ditum wrote, for New Statesman, “Rape, generally understood as forcible penetration with a penis or other object (not least under English law), could not have taken place in this instance, and LaBeouf does not specify what did happen.”

LaBeouf doesn’t say he was penetrated, against his will, by this woman. He says, “One woman who came with her boyfriend, who was outside the door when this happened, whipped my legs for ten minutes and then stripped my clothing and proceeded to rape me…”

What does that mean? What happened? We don’t really know… Why are we obligated — specifically as feminists — to believe him point-blank? As Ditum notes, the point of believing female victims is to right a long history of wrongs — because women have long been ignored or blamed or painted as crazy when they speak out about their experiences of abuse and assault.

So your real question should be, why do women hate men?

 

[KimGordon67]

Then men could quit running the power plants and trucks and oil refineries. Then everyone falls to their knees, mostly dead, when the winter hits.

Y'all know men can cook etc, and women can run oil refineries and all that other stuff. Neither of activities involve a penis or a vagina - they're not actually sex-specific.

 

[Disgustipated]

Y'all know men can cook etc, and women can run oil refineries and all that other stuff. Neither of activities involve a penis or a vagina - they're not actually sex-specific.

You're new to discussing things with LT. It never ends well for his opponents, trust me. Why? Because he's mad and there is no reasoning with a mentally unstable midget.

 

[KimGordon67]

Ask a woman what she thinks of a man being abused by his girlfriend/wife

No, wait, better yet, observe.
http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2741047


Video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlFAd4YdQks

Now let's ask a woman what she'd say if a man said he was raped.
http://www.feministcurrent.com/2014/12/15/why-are-we-supposed-to-believe-shia-labeouf/


So your real question should be, why do women hate men?

Your first example again involves extrapolating from the actions of one - or a number - of women to all women. That's about as dumb as me extrapolating from what Donald Trump thinks to assuming all men think like that. Luckily I have enough respect for most men to not do that.

The second point is entirely true. At a general level, rape is a heavily gendered act, and even when men are raped, it is MUCH more likely to be by another man. Yes, women can assault men, but it's not what usually happens, and it's not how the system generally works. I have never met a man who walks home late at night worried about being sexually assaulted; I have never met a woman who walks home at night who *doesn't* worry about that.

Neither of these things are 'proof' that women hate men, just like one man raping a woman isn't 'proof' that all men hate all women. Your examples are rather proof that some individuals - men and women - are dicks.

And no ... my original question stands.

 

[KimGordon67]

You're new to discussing things with LT. It never ends well for his opponents, trust me. Why? Because he's mad and there is no reasoning with a mentally unstable midget.

Oh - I totally know that. Sometimes I like pain.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Your first example again involves extrapolating from the actions of one - or a number - of women to all women. That's about as dumb as me extrapolating from what Donald Trump thinks to assuming all men think like that. Luckily I have enough respect for most men to not do that.

I like to borrow a phrase from feminists: Instead of saying they're not all like that, how about telling feminists not to BE like that.

The second point is entirely true. At a general level, rape is a heavily gendered act, and even when men are raped, it is MUCH more likely to be by another man. Yes, women can assault men, but it's not what usually happens, and it's not how the system generally works. I have never met a man who walks home late at night worried about being sexually assaulted; I have never met a woman who walks home at night who *doesn't* worry about that.

Just as I said, folks, no sympathy whatsoever for male victims. You were amazingly quick to make sure you turned the subject back on men. And women victims of women, well, they're really screwed by this mentality.

Neither of these things are 'proof' that women hate men, just like one man raping a woman isn't 'proof' that all men hate all women. Your examples are rather proof that some individuals - men and women - are dicks.

And no ... my original question stands.

Your lack of empathy for male rape victims proves my point.

 

[KimGordon67]

I like to borrow a phrase from feminists: Instead of saying they're not all like that, how about telling feminists not to BE like that.


Just as I said, folks, no sympathy whatsoever for male victims. You were amazingly quick to make sure you turned the subject back on men. And women victims of women, well, they're really screwed by this mentality.


Your lack of empathy for male rape victims proves my point.

I have a huge amount of empathy for victims of violence, whatever their gender - men, women, or anyone else. I just know the difference between how things work at an individual level and at a systemic level. Statistically speaking, the vast majority of people who commit sexual violence are men. Statistically speaking, the vast majority of people who experience sexual violence are women. Acting on that basis doesn't preclude the ability to have empathy for male victims, or distaste for female perpetrators. In fact, in the last two instances in which people I knew were involved in instances of assertions of domestic violence or sexual assault, I came down on the side of the men ... in spite of the fact that I'm a rampant feminist. 'Feminist' does not equal 'man-hate' - it's just a belief in the equal rights of men and women (and hopefully everyone else as well). Some feminists are dicks about feminism - like there are dicks in any groups in society.
Including, apparently, on Lit.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I have a huge amount of empathy for victims of violence, whatever their gender - men, women, or anyone else. I just know the difference between how things work at an individual level and at a systemic level. Statistically speaking, the vast majority of people who commit sexual violence are men.

Once again you turn the subject back on men instead of empathizing for male victims. This is called derailing when men do it to feminists.

You took this back to "men do it more" and said absolutely nothing about how male victims are routinely made fun of on a level that female rape victims are not, in addition to the fact that nobody believes male victims.

As a matter of fact, your tactic is identical to Conservatives who say "blacks are more violent, statistically speaking" when we say black lives matter. Don't feel so uniquely bad - there is never much sunlight between feminist tactics and Conservative tactics, which is why both movements are basically hate movements.

Statistically speaking, the vast majority of people who experience sexual violence are women. Acting on that basis doesn't preclude the ability to have empathy for male victims, or distaste for female perpetrators.

Funny, when female perpetrators get no time in jail, nobody ever protests, not even feminists. Anything to say about that, I mean besides derailing this back to "men do it more"?

In fact, in the last two instances in which people I knew were involved in instances of assertions of domestic violence or sexual assault, I came down on the side of the men ... in spite of the fact that I'm a rampant feminist. 'Feminist' does not equal 'man-hate' - it's just a belief in the equal rights of men and women (and hopefully everyone else as well). Some feminists are dicks about feminism - like there are dicks in any groups in society.
Including, apparently, on Lit.

So when are feminists going to protest the light sentences that women rapists get? Also, I see you had nothing at all to say about that feminist website that openly said they should not believe Shia Labeouf. What do you have to say about that feminist mentality, I mean, besides "statistically speaking..."?

 

[KimGordon67]

Once again you turn the subject back on men instead of empathizing for male victims. This is called derailing when men do it to feminists.

You took this back to "men do it more" and said absolutely nothing about how male victims are routinely made fun of on a level that female rape victims are not, in addition to the fact that nobody believes male victims.

As a matter of fact, your tactic is identical to Conservatives who say "blacks are more violent, statistically speaking" when we say black lives matter. Don't feel so uniquely bad - there is never much sunlight between feminist tactics and Conservative tactics, which is why both movements are basically hate movements.


Funny, when female perpetrators get no time in jail, nobody ever protests, not even feminists. Anything to say about that, I mean besides derailing this back to "men do it more"?


So when are feminists going to protest the light sentences that women rapists get? Also, I see you had nothing at all to say about that feminist website that openly said they should not believe Shia Labeouf. What do you have to say about that feminist mentality, I mean, besides "statistically speaking..."?

The reason African American people are over-represented in crime stats is poverty.
The reason men are over-represented in sexual violence stats is patriarchy.
I'm against both of those systems.

I can have empathy for individual situations while also resisting the systems. Your problem (and, indeed, the problem with some feminists) is that you can't separate individual issues from systemic issues.
You've also fallen into the classic trap of assuming that 'feminism' is one thing, hence your continued reference to a 'feminist mentality'. I don't even know what that is (in spite of the fact that I apparently possess one). I probably argue more with other feminists than anyone else. But, y'know, you continue ignoring every feminist/feminist theory that doesn't prove your argument. I'm pretty confident the world will continue on it's merry way regardless.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

The reason African American people are over-represented in crime stats is poverty.
The reason men are over-represented in sexual violence stats is patriarchy.

Bullshit, the reason men are over-represented in sexual violence stats is they're treated as disposable objects. They all but come into this world being taught that they have to be macho or else women will have nothing to do with them and they will be treated as bait. Except instead of being bait for animals now they're bait for men and women alike.

The same pressure that's driving men to kill themselves more often than women is also driving them to violence. And women are highly invested in keeping things this way because women don't want to put their asses on the line for shit. When was the last time you ever saw a woman come to a man's rescue when he's underattack? I even showed you an ABC news video about how women respond - they pump their fists and say he probably deserved it!

Raise men in a brutish environment, get brutish behavior in response. And women are committing more crimes now, too, because they're getting a taste of this shit. But again, feminists don't want to talk about that.

I can have empathy for individual situations while also resisting the systems.

You've only done half of that so far.

Your problem (and, indeed, the problem with some feminists) is that you can't separate individual issues from systemic issues.

ALL feminists blame men and maleness for the world's problems. ZERO feminists ever say women contribute jack shit to what's wrong in the world.

You've also fallen into the classic trap of assuming that 'feminism' is one thing

NAFALT!!! Like I said, let someone say "not all men are like that" and see what happens.

, hence your continued reference to a 'feminist mentality'.

When the feminists stop saying "Manosphere" like it's some giant misogynistic hivemind then, welp...

I don't even know what that is (in spite of the fact that I apparently possess one). I probably argue more with other feminists than anyone else. But, y'know, you continue ignoring every feminist/feminist theory that doesn't prove your argument. I'm pretty confident the world will continue on it's merry way regardless.

At some point you need to ask yourself why so few Americans or Britons want to call themselves feminists anymore? That number has been on a steady decline, by the way.

And don't think your movement is singled out. I also hate Conservatives because they behave exactly like feminists, except who they hate/blame is different. Y'all have an image problem of your movement's own making. Seriously. 18% of Americans and 7% of Britons want to be associated with your cause. I ain't the cause of that. I'm just sayin'.

 

[KimGordon67]

Bullshit, the reason men are over-represented in sexual violence stats is they're treated as disposable objects. They all but come into this world being taught that they have to be macho or else women will have nothing to do with them and they will be treated as bait. Except instead of being bait for animals now they're bait for men and women alike.

The same pressure that's driving men to kill themselves more often than women is also driving them to violence. And women are highly invested in keeping things this way because women don't want to put their asses on the line for shit. When was the last time you ever saw a woman come to a man's rescue when he's underattack? I even showed you an ABC news video about how women respond - they pump their fists and say he probably deserved it!

Raise men in a brutish environment, get brutish behavior in response. And women are committing more crimes now, too, because they're getting a taste of this shit. But again, feminists don't want to talk about that.


You've only done half of that so far.


ALL feminists blame men and maleness for the world's problems. ZERO feminists ever say women contribute jack shit to what's wrong in the world.


NAFALT!!! Like I said, let someone say "not all men are like that" and see what happens.


When the feminists stop saying "Manosphere" like it's some giant misogynistic hivemind then, welp...


At some point you need to ask yourself why so few Americans or Britons want to call themselves feminists anymore? That number has been on a steady decline, by the way.

And don't think your movement is singled out. I also hate Conservatives because they behave exactly like feminists, except who they hate/blame is different. Y'all have an image problem of your movement's own making. Seriously. 18% of Americans and 7% of Britons want to be associated with your cause. I ain't the cause of that. I'm just sayin'.

Oh - I finally get it ... this is COMEDY. Right. Good work - you nearly had me thinking you actually believe all this garbage. The 'men as bait for animals' thing just pushed it a BIT too far though ... no one in their right mind really thinks like that.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Oh - I finally get it ... this is COMEDY. Right. Good work - you nearly had me thinking you actually believe all this garbage. The 'men as bait for animals' thing just pushed it a BIT too far though ... no one in their right mind really thinks like that.

No, it's true, men have been the ones to take on the dangerous shit since our species first came into existence. We're the ones who hunted the animals, we're the ones who hopped on ships and sailed across perilous waters in search of new lands - how many ships full of women sailors have there ever been? Women don't take risks, they seek out the safe life and leave the men to do the dying. This is true of the vast majority of animal species - any examples you can even come up with, are rare exceptions.

I'll tell ya what. If a bear is attacking a woman stranger, a man will throw his life away to fight that bear and save a woman he doesn't even fucking know. If it's a man under attack by a bear, no woman's gonna put her ass on the line for a man she don't even know. She might call for help but she ain't gonna jump in the middle of that. I bet you muh soggy knees she won't.

No woman ever dreams of being some poor sap's white knight-ress.

That's the empathy gap for ya.

I know you're not going to like this, but it is the truth.

 

[KimGordon67]

No, it's true, men have been the ones to take on the dangerous shit since our species first came into existence. We're the ones who hunted the animals, we're the ones who hopped on ships and sailed across perilous waters in search of new lands - how many ships full of women sailors have there ever been? Women don't take risks, they seek out the safe life and leave the men to do the dying. This is true of the vast majority of animal species - any examples you can even come up with, are rare exceptions.

I'll tell ya what. If a bear is attacking a woman stranger, a man will throw his life away to fight that bear and save a woman he doesn't even fucking know. If it's a man under attack by a bear, no woman's gonna put her ass on the line for a man she don't even know. She might call for help but she ain't gonna jump in the middle of that. I bet you muh soggy knees she won't.

No woman ever dreams of being some poor sap's white knight-ress.

That's the empathy gap for ya.

I know you're not going to like this, but it is the truth.

'White knight-ress' ... he he he. That's so cute and funny. I might add that to the 'rampant feminist' tattoo I've got across my back. Brilliant!

 

[Rachel_X]

No, it's true, men have been the ones to take on the dangerous shit since our species first came into existence. We're the ones who hunted the animals, we're the ones who hopped on ships and sailed across perilous waters in search of new lands - how many ships full of women sailors have there ever been? Women don't take risks, they seek out the safe life and leave the men to do the dying. This is true of the vast majority of animal species - any examples you can even come up with, are rare exceptions.

I'll tell ya what. If a bear is attacking a woman stranger, a man will throw his life away to fight that bear and save a woman he doesn't even fucking know. If it's a man under attack by a bear, no woman's gonna put her ass on the line for a man she don't even know. She might call for help but she ain't gonna jump in the middle of that. I bet you muh soggy knees she won't.

No woman ever dreams of being some poor sap's white knight-ress.

That's the empathy gap for ya.

I know you're not going to like this, but it is the truth.

Are you kidding? For a legitimate chance to fight a bear, you bet I'm jumping right in!
If you just up and punch a bear, people get all annoyed. You dive in to save some dude from a bear and you're a hero that they shower with money.
Fighting a bear has always been a dream of mine.

 

[KimGordon67]

Are you kidding? For a legitimate chance to fight a bear, you bet I'm jumping right in!
If you just up and punch a bear, people get all annoyed. You dive in to save some dude from a bear and you're a hero that they shower with money.
Fighting a bear has always been a dream of mine.

Just hang around with LJ for a bit - apparently he's always rescuing damsels from ursine attacks, cos you know, he's a MAN, so there's bound to be a few feisty bears going spare.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Just hang around with LJ for a bit - apparently he's always rescuing damsels from ursine attacks, cos you know, he's a MAN, so there's bound to be a few feisty bears going spare.

If a man runs away when a woman is under attack from a bear, it's called cowardice. If a woman runs away when a man is under attack from a bear, it's called a wise move. You cannot sit here and in all honesty deny that. And the Patriarchy didn't cause that.