"Objectification, Double Standards and the Need to Fix Feminism" - Helen Pluckrose

[LJ_Reloaded]

"Objectification, Double Standards and the Need to Fix Feminism" - Helen Pluckrose

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We cannot read insult into clothes & games & lighthearted articles about annoying words and then respond by calling everyone who challenges this, ' insecure, misogynist douchebag dudebros' and consider this a perfectly acceptable way to speak to people.

We cannot accuse men of 'mansplaining' feminism when they remind us its meant to be about equality and then tell them what masculinity is, how they're doing it wrong and how they've been damaged by 'patriarchy'

We cannot take an example of a woman being presented negatively on TV or in a game, complain that this reinforces harmful gender stereotypes and then use 'men' as shorthand for 'misogynistic, murderous sex offenders' before accusing critics of being oversensitive because it should have been obvious we didn't mean all men.

We cannot take violent and sexual crimes, point out that they are committed, in the majority of cases, by men and decide that this defines masculinity, ignoring the fact that the majority of heroic and defensive acts are also done by men, and that the vast, vast majority of men are neither violent criminals nor heroic saviours but people trying to live, love, thrive and succeed and do some good along the way, just like women.

This woman represents feminism done right.

 

[SashaGaga999]

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This woman represents feminism done right.

I'm surprised nobody has commented on this, but this was an unexpectedly good link. Thanks for sharing.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I'm surprised nobody has commented on this, but this was an unexpectedly good link. Thanks for sharing.

Because I hate all feminists and all women according to the feral zombies on this forum and stuff like this interrupts that false narrative. For their tiny minds, it just doesn't compute.

 

[Legatus]

Feminism has run its course. Original feminists accomplished what they set out to and society is better off for it.

Modern feminists, however, are a cancer. Feminism needs to die off.

 

[Porkwarrior]

3rd wave feminism is a cancer that started in Toronto in the 90's, and has now spread to all corners of the world that wears shoes.

Barbara Hall didn't know that banning Bare Naked Ladies from New Years would lead to Sweden becoming the rape capital of the shoe wearing world. But there's a definite link.

 

[hashtag45]

Not all western feminists are like that.

A good chunk of them are genuinely interested in helping women (victims of domestic and sexual abuse and so on).
But others are more interested in this ridiculous war they have going on against western men, and by the looks of it helping their own kind comes in second.

But it's not just feminism where one encounters such radicalised attitudes nowadays.
You see them in practical any ideology be it religious/atheist, political and so on.
Everybody is looking to fight and villify someone, instead of trying to find some middle ground.

 

[Porkwarrior]

Not all western feminists are like that.

Not all Western WOMEN are like that you mean.
Anybody with dyed hair & problem glasses that "self identify" as a feminist are fucking cunts that can't get a real job.

But expect men to pay their freight.
Sigh I miss the 90's.

https://youtu.be/ft-1OZafqe4

 

[hashtag45]

Not all Western WOMEN are like that you mean.
Anybody with dyed hair & problem glasses that "self identify" as a feminist are fucking cunts that can't get a real job.

But expect men to pay their freight.
Sigh I miss the 90's.

https://youtu.be/ft-1OZafqe4

I don't know that much about feminists.
The only thing that I know is that I was bullied by one lol. The only time in my life.
I only came across two self-proclaimed feminists. Both were brittish and on one hand they were fuming against the evil of most men, but on the other hand they were busy engaging in horizontal aggression only towards their own kind at work.

Unlike countries like India, Saudi Arabia and so on, western society has achieved an equilibrium where men and women have equal rights overall. So to pretend otherwise and say that most women are oppressed in Western societies, is ridiculous.
In saying that, there still are pockets of misogyny in certain isolated cases or even in certain social groups (see the still existent cases of domestic abuse) which are still poorly addressed.

 

[Emerson40]

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Let him learn that he has become very boring by himself.

 

[hashtag45]

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[LJ_Reloaded]

Not all western feminists are like that.

Yeah but all western feminists get offended when you say "not all men are like that"

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Pluckrose?


Someone needs a name change...

Maybe to P. Diddle!

 

[hashtag45]

why's that?

 

[SashaGaga999]

Yeah but all western feminists get offended when you say "not all men are like that"

See, I'm not so sure. I've always considered myself to be a feminist (or maybe a western feminist under your definition?), but I can completely and truthfully say that it is true, not all men are like that.

I'm curious, what is it to you that defines feminism?

 

[renard_ruse]

Nobody takes feminazis seriously. 70% of Americans have a negative view of "feminism." They are the biggest irrelevance of all irrelevances.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

See, I'm not so sure. I've always considered myself to be a feminist (or maybe a western feminist under your definition?), but I can completely and truthfully say that it is true, not all men are like that.

I'm curious, what is it to you that defines feminism?

No one thing really defines feminism. Thus, not all feminists are evil.

The problem is that the bigot subset of feminism - the misandrists, fearmongers and hypocrites - have total control of the feminist media voice and its political power. Functionally, this mainstream feminism is actually the pro-woman interpretation of far-right Conservatism.

Literally, if you take the mainstream feminist narrative and swap out "men" with "blacks" or worse "Muslims", you have far-right Conservatism. Same fear-mongering rhetoric, same abuse of crime statistics, different targets.

Case in point: you remember the Men vs poisoned M&M's analogy used by mainstream feminists? The Conservatives recently floated the same analogy, but with poisoned Skittles vs Syrian refugees. Both sides feel that their analogy is somehow morally different - namely, that their analogy is correct while the other is not.

There is actually a political theory that covers this: it's called the Horseshoe Theory:

The horseshoe theory in political science asserts that rather than the far left and the far right being at opposite and opposing ends of a linear political continuum, they in fact closely resemble one another, much like the ends of a horseshoe. The theory is attributed to French writer Jean-Pierre Faye.

 

[hashtag45]

Or the horseshoe theory, as you once said.



re: "The problem is that the bigot subset of feminism - the misandrists, fearmongers and hypocrites - have total control of the feminist media voice and its political power."

Same goes for all those extremist branches of a lot of ideologies nowadays (be they liberals, conservatives, atheists, pro-Christians, pro-Islam, anti-Islam or so on).
One hears on massmedia mainly two binary, extreme discourses, and they get the impression that the majority of the population is like that.
But most laypeople are moderate or in between, just like Bell's curve.

I wonder why they're doing this. Must be more to it than trying to sell newspapers, because their main revenue doesn't come from online clicks.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Or the horseshoe theory, as you once said.



re: "The problem is that the bigot subset of feminism - the misandrists, fearmongers and hypocrites - have total control of the feminist media voice and its political power."

Same goes for all those extremist branches of a lot of ideologies nowadays (be they liberals, conservatives, atheists, pro-Christians, pro-Islam, anti-Islam or so on).
One hears on massmedia mainly two binary, extreme discourses, and they get the impression that the majority of the population is like that.
But most laypeople are moderate or in between, just like Bell's curve.

I wonder why they're doing this. Must be more to it than trying to sell newspapers, because their main revenue doesn't come from online clicks.

And let's not forget the men's rights movement for which I carry a platinum card. The far right is moving in on us with all of their jaw dropping insanity.

Honestly I think one right winger could do more damage to men's rights than a hundred feminists.