Senate Overrides Obama's Veto!

[JackLuis]

Senate overrides Obama veto of bill allowing Sept 11 victims to sue Saudi Arabia

The U.S. Senate on Wednesday overwhelmingly rejected President Barack Obama’s veto of legislation allowing relatives of the victims of the Sept. 11 attacks to sue Saudi Arabia’s government.

The final vote was 97-1 against the veto. Democratic Minority Leader Harry Reid was the lone “no” vote.

Democratic Senator Tim Kaine, Hillary Clinton’s vice presidential running mate, and Bernie Sanders, an independent who caucuses with Democrats and is a former White House contender, did not vote.

The measure next goes to the House of Representatives, which was due to vote later on Wednesday. If two-thirds of House members also support the “Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act,” it would be the first veto override of Obama’s eight-year presidency.

Interesting, now the Courts decide. I wonder how they will collect if they win the suits?

 

[Jessie_Pinkman]

Why do you think Obama opposed this bill?

Because this knife cuts both ways.

The United States kills more innocent foreign civilians than any other country in the world, by traditional bombs, drones, armed troops, etc- for over 60 years.

We would then be defendants in many more lawsuits than we would bring ourselves.

 

[FGB]

Why do you think Obama opposed this bill?

Because this knife cuts both ways.

The United States kills more innocent foreign civilians than any other country in the world, by traditional bombs, drones, armed troops, etc- for over 60 years.

We would then be defendants in many more lawsuits than we would bring ourselves.

Meh, they sue anyway...

 

[Boxlicker101]

Why do you think Obama opposed this bill?

Because this knife cuts both ways.

The United States kills more innocent foreign civilians than any other country in the world, by traditional bombs, drones, armed troops, etc- for over 60 years.

We would then be defendants in many more lawsuits than we would bring ourselves.

Do you have an statistics to back that up? Especially considering how many Vietnamese were killed by other Vietnamese? Or how many Iraqis were killed by Iranians and vice-versa in the late 1980's? Do you consider The Caliphate to be a country?

 

[sr71plt]

Meh, they sue anyway...

Where? What U.S. or international courts take the suits? citations?

 

[sr71plt]

Why do you think Obama opposed this bill?

Because this knife cuts both ways.

The United States kills more innocent foreign civilians than any other country in the world, by traditional bombs, drones, armed troops, etc- for over 60 years.

We would then be defendants in many more lawsuits than we would bring ourselves.

Does the bill also permit U.S. courts to take up the suits against the United States? I don't know the answer myself. I just wouldn't put it past the Congress to vote a bill that doesn't cut both ways. I think the administration's position is that the issue will just muck up and bog down a whole range of international negotiations not to mention screw up our relations with Saudi Arabia, which, unfortunately, are two-faced for very good strategic self-interest reasons.

 

[phrodeau]

So they can do this, but they can't staff the Supreme Court?

 

[sr71plt]

The Senate also passed an extension of the government spending bill today, including funding for Zika and the Louisiana flooding.

 

[underguy1]

Do you have an statistics to back that up? Especially considering how many Vietnamese were killed by other Vietnamese? Or how many Iraqis were killed by Iranians and vice-versa in the late 1980's? Do you consider The Caliphate to be a country?

Don't be ridiculous.

The US government is the greatest purveyor of violence on the planet.

It has killed tens of millions of people since WW2 and has killed a conservative estimate of 10 million muslims alone since 1991.

 

[Hypoxia]

Don't be ridiculous.

The US government is the greatest purveyor of violence on the planet.

It has killed tens of millions of people since WW2 and has killed a conservative estimate of 10 million muslims alone since 1991.

Citations?

 

[Boxlicker101]

Originally Posted by Boxlicker101 View Post

Do you have an statistics to back that up? Especially considering how many Vietnamese were killed by other Vietnamese? Or how many Iraqis were killed by Iranians and vice-versa in the late 1980's? Do you consider The Caliphate to be a country?

Don't be ridiculous.

The US government is the greatest purveyor of violence on the planet.

It has killed tens of millions of people since WW2 and has killed a conservative estimate of 10 million muslims alone since 1991.

I didn't think you could, but I asked anyhow.

 

[underguy1]

Originally Posted by Boxlicker101 View Post

Do you have an statistics to back that up? Especially considering how many Vietnamese were killed by other Vietnamese? Or how many Iraqis were killed by Iranians and vice-versa in the late 1980's? Do you consider The Caliphate to be a country?



I didn't think you could, but I asked anyhow.

It's not a high school debating society, you cretin.

I DEMAND CITATIONS!!!!!!!

WHA!! WHA!!!!

You baby.

 

[Jessie_Pinkman]

So they can do this, but they can't staff the Supreme Court?

Won't.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Republicans, led by Mitch McConnell , are suffering from buyers remorse after overriding President Obama's veto and are now trying to blame him for their stupidity. Before they lamented the fact that the President was too vocal in his opposition, now they're saying it's his fault for not talking to them about it enough.

You morons were warned by the Obama Administration repeatedly, you ignored the warnings and passed this idiotic thing anyway. Now you want to try to lay blame anywhere but at your own feet. As usual, you blame Obama.

http://washingtonmonthly.com/2016/09/29/congress-does-something-stupid-blames-obama/

It’s the fault of that “tyrant” in the White House who didn’t do enough hand-holding to stop them from doing something stupid – even though he warned them over and over again. That’s McConnell’s excuse.

Who buys this shit?

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

It's not a high school debating society, you cretin.

I DEMAND CITATIONS!!!!!!!

WHA!! WHA!!!!

You baby.

You make statements, it's on you to back them up when called on them. Not that you ever do have actual fact to back up your idiotic assertions.

 

[JackLuis]

I just had a thought that if we can sue Saudi Arabia for 9/11, why can't we sue George W for ignoring the warnings he got? And we can sue Rumsfeld for outsourcing the Tora Bora trap to catch Bin Laden and Cheney for the 'Enhanced Interrogation that was unlawful.

 

[phrodeau]

I just had a thought that if we can sue Saudi Arabia for 9/11, why can't we sue George W for ignoring the warnings he got? And we can sue Rumsfeld for outsourcing the Tora Bora trap to catch Bin Laden and Cheney for the 'Enhanced Interrogation that was unlawful.

President Bush was convicted of war crimes in Kuala Lumpur in 2012. Also convicted were Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Alberto Gonzales, David Addington, William Haynes, Jay Bybee and John Yoo.

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2012/05/12/bush-convicted-of-war-crimes-in-absentia/

 

[Hypoxia]

So they can do this, but they can't staff the Supreme Court?

Won't.

Can't. If they did, their baghead+tromper constituencies would disembowel them for turning traitor.

Face it. GOP pols have backed themselves into a small corner and now face ravenous packs of slavering wolverines. There's no escape. Watch the blood flow.

(That's a metaphor.)

 

[dan_c00000]

This was probably one of the least thought through laws I've ever seen passed. Of course the Teahadists immediately blamed Obama for not protecting them from themselves have instant buyers remorse.

 

[phrodeau]

Wouldn't it be great if Congress took a lesson from this and started listening to things Obama says?

A high hope, I know. It's more likely that they'll do something even more idiotic before their session is up.

 

[underguy1]

Meh, they sue anyway...

The banality of evil.

 

[Hypoxia]

Wouldn't it be great if Congress took a lesson from this and started listening to things Obama says?

A high hope, I know. It's more likely that they'll do something even more idiotic before their session is up.

Governor Gary Johnson (y'know, the Libertarian candidate) didn't listen to his legislators. The baghead congress doesn't listen to twice-elected President Obama. The talk-radio audience doesn't listen to reality. Why is listening so hard?

 

[dan_c00000]

The talk-radio audience doesn't listen to reality.

That's pretty spot on.

 

[JackLuis]

Unintended Consequences are a bitch.

Republicans overrode Obama and Now...

US justices to weigh detainee suit against Bush officials

The U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday agreed to decide whether to block a lawsuit against former Attorney General John Ashcroft and others by non-U.S. citizens, mainly Muslims, swept up after the Sept. 11 attacks who said they were abused in detention.

The senior officials under former President George W. Bush, also including former FBI Director Robert Mueller and Immigration and Naturalization Service Commissioner James Ziglar, have asked the justices to reverse a 2015 lower court ruling allowing the long-running suit to proceed.

The civil rights lawsuit seeks to hold the former officials responsible for racial and religious profiling and abuse in detention that the plaintiffs said they endured after being detained following the 2001 attacks by al Qaeda Islamic militants on the United States.

The brief order said two justices, liberals Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor, will not participate, meaning only six justices will hear the case. The court remains one justice short following Antonin Scalia’s February death.

Why isn't GW named it was his Administration and the buck stops in the Oval Office?

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

- The Supreme Court agreed Tuesday to decide whether a U.S. Border Patrol agent can be sued for shooting and killing a Mexican teenager who was playing with friends in the concrete culvert that separates El Paso, Texas, from Juarez, Mexico.

The shooting of an unarmed 15-year-old named Sergio Hernandez provoked outrage in Mexico in 2010 and set off a prolonged legal dispute over the reach of the U.S. Constitution.


http://www.arcamax.com/politics/politicalnews/s-1882479

Separately, the court said it would hear the government's bid to halt a long-running lawsuit against former U.S. Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft and other top officials from the George W. Bush administration over the detentions of several Muslim men after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

The Justice Department says these officials are immune from such claims, but a divided U.S. appeals court in New York said the suit may proceed.