How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[Tryharder62]

Wow.

The secular folks of Antioch were the first to coin an Aramaic term (which in Greek translates into what in English is "christian") with which to tag the disciples of the Christ who were then following and evangelizing The Way in Antioch; The Way being then not in any way reflective of what the secularly-created religion "Christianity" has become today...

Which is quite obviously and perfectly proven by those who proclaim themselves "Christian", yet who also claim to be "lonely" (where, then, is this savior you claim as yours who promises you'll never be alone?) and married (but obviously not a faithful bride to the Christ, either), while getting off here with "a little booty now and then" behind their wife's or husband's back.

It's ridiculously sad to witness little baby "Christians" fling around in their convenient "faith", forever to sedate themselves from the very sin they purposely pursue (blaspheming any testimony they may fluff about their all-powerful God), all the while admiring and supporting their "Christian" pimp pastors whose "forgiveness" pseudo-preaching paves their way to being able to accept themselves as so un-Christlike: too weak to resist their lustful urges even while they blasphemously proclaim to have the spirit of Almighty God himself within them.

Harlot "Christians" abound.

Tryharder 62 -- "Recovering Fundamentalist"

"You hate your sin and I'll hate my sin and let's just love each other" - Mark Lowery.

Throw the doors open my friend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW6EeuKLHkY

 

[LadyVer]

Sidetracking a bit:

I'm not religious at all, and you'll catch me dead before talking me into going to church. And I have just as much disdain for the puritanical, intolerant religious people, as anybody else has.

In saying that, I hold a deep appreciation and respect for the moral and spiritual aspect of religions. Plus Christianity is part of our cultural heritage.

So even if some bad things have been committed in the name of religions:
why derride religions, or mock the moderately religious people? Instead of acknowledging the good together with the bad?
Particularly since none of us atheists or agnostics have a PhD in history or philosophy of religions, to understand what they really are about.

I don't get this new atheist movement. A bit too intense for me.

I'm not an atheist, and I'm not deriding, or mocking, any religion. What I'm wondering is why a thread about where you're going when you die is posted on an erotica forum. What comes across to me is that some Christians live to be seen as persecuted, even on a porn site.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

I'm not an atheist, and I'm not deriding, or mocking, any religion. What I'm wondering is why a thread about where you're going when you die is posted on an erotica forum. What comes across to me is that some Christians live to be seen as persecuted, even on a porn site.

I was on a different forum and one of the people on there said I should try this site and posted the link. At the time, I didn't realize that it was a porn site. I posted in the General Topic area and have kept this topic within this thread. I haven't judged anyone for being at this forum. As the owners of this forum say, everyone has the choice to click on the thread and discuss this topic or move on. I hope you all choose to stay, read this first post and respectfully discuss this topic and consider praying that prayer at the bottom of this first post.

 

[LadyVer]

I was on a different forum and one of the people on there said I should try this site and posted the link. At the time, I didn't realize that it was a porn site. I posted in the General Topic area and have kept this topic within this thread. I haven't judged anyone for being at this forum. As the owners of this forum say, everyone has the choice to click on the thread and discuss this topic or move on. I hope you all choose to stay, read this first post and respectfully discuss this topic and consider praying that prayer at the bottom of this first post.

I appreciate your slightly cordial self-righteous response. When I pray, I usually do it privately, not on an erotica site on a thread created by a stranger who thinks faith and religion should be discussed anywhere and everywhere. And by someone who automatically assumes that since people disagree with the post, it means the person must be an ignorant atheist.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

That was right after Mary had mistaken Jesus for a gardener. (John 20:15) She wouldn't be addressing him as if he was a gardener if he was gushing blood from his midsection at the time.

She mistook Him for the Gardener and then He told her who He was and she recognized Him. I am sure He wasn't gushing blood at that point. He was healed up from His wounds except for the holes in His hands and feet.

 

[phrodeau]

She mistook Him for the Gardener and then He told her who He was and she recognized Him. I am sure He wasn't gushing blood at that point. He was healed up from His wounds except for the holes in His hands and feet.

Yep, and that was before he went to Heaven. Did someone else crucify him after he got there, in order to complete the sacrifice and open the fountain?

 

[Mello_SixtyNine]

Stop responding to this delusional idiot so this dumb thread can die an atheist death into nothingness.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Yep, and that was before he went to Heaven. Did someone else crucify him after he got there, in order to complete the sacrifice and open the fountain?

Nope. Scholars say that He went up to the Father after that and presented His blood as a sacrifice for our sins. Then He presented Himself to His disciples and they were allowed to touch Him. He ate with them and talked with them. Later, He ascended up into heaven in front of hundreds of people.

 

[phrodeau]

Nope. Scholars say that He went up to the Father after that and presented His blood as a sacrifice for our sins. Then He presented Himself to His disciples and they were allowed to touch Him. He ate with them and talked with them. Later, He ascended up into heaven in front of hundreds of people.

Hundreds of witnesses, but only one who actually reported it.

 

[phrodeau]

Stop responding to this delusional idiot so this dumb thread can die an atheist death into nothingness.

Sorry, it's a favorite topic of mine.

 

[1sickbastard]

Nope. Scholars say that He went up to the Father after that and presented His blood as a sacrifice for our sins. Then He presented Himself to His disciples and they were allowed to touch Him. He ate with them and talked with them. Later, He ascended up into heaven in front of hundreds of people.

And by "scholars" you mean fundamentalist scriptural literalists catering to the confirmation bias of their ignorant flocks of sheep (I mean believers), not actual academics whose work is peer reviewed before being published who then have to cite sources, defend their methodology, their conclusions and then have to defend all of it before others who are just as learned (and often moreso) in the subject.

In other words, you're basically saying the other time-share salespeople are all saying the sales brochure really is true.

Nope, no fallacious reasoning here...


Oh and you still haven't answered the question of why your poorly defined deity, whom, according to Christian dogma, is all seeing, all knowing and (especially) all powerful, had to have itself be tortured and killed as a ritual blood-magic sacrifice to itself to forgive the flaws in the creations it made, knowing that said creations would be flawed, so it wouldn't have to torture those creations for all eternity (because it luuuuvs us), instead of just accepting its creations for being what it created them to be and offering a blanket amnesty without conditions.
You know, demonstrating actual love instead of the petty conditional, "love me or else" attitude your abusive, bullying, thug of a "god" seems to insist on.

Or as Mr. Spock observed:
http://dailyatheistquote.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/58927_468421926561358_179887414_n.jpg

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Hundreds of witnesses, but only one who actually reported it.

Way more than one reporting it. All four Gospels report it by 4 different people. Not to mention other non Biblical Church writings and historical writings from that time.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

"Faith is believing in what you know ain't so." ~ Samuel Longhorn Clemens.

No faith is believing what you know IS so...

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

It's not "yee", it's '"ye".

Not little faith.
NO Faith!

I have no loyalty to any ideology and no belief in anything that cannot be objectively demonstrated to be congruent with observable reality.

Oh, and quoting the buy-bull means sweet f#$ all to me.

Then you don't believe in Darwinian Evolution.

 

[eyerami]

xfrodobagginsx:

Can you please share with us exactly how Roman Emperor Constantine the Great declared your "Christianity" to his empire (and thus the world to this day), and then exactly how he instituted your Church, your Church which immediately began killing their own "brothers" simply because of doctrinal differences?

Then, compare how your Church was born and then established and ruled the world for so long on the slayed blood of its designated enemies and even its own...

...to the Christ shedding his own blood - and insisting none other's should be - in order to demonstrate and make human entry possible for His kingdom on earth?

No sermons are asked for - just comment on the historical fact presented you, please.

 

[phrodeau]

Way more than one reporting it. All four Gospels report it by 4 different people. Not to mention other non Biblical Church writings and historical writings from that time.

Bullshit. Only in Luke and Acts is it mentioned, and they were written by the same person. The passing mention in Mark is spurious. https://bible.org/seriespage/41-ascension-luke-2431-acts-11-11

And Spock never said that quote, 1sb.

 

[Mello_SixtyNine]

What makes you think it's a fairy tale? Do you know the history of why men place their faith in Jesus Christ?

The faith you have now is exactly the same blind faith that the ancient Greeks had with their gods. It's the same blind faith that the ancient Romans had with their gods, even though they were same Greek gods, just renamed. During World War II, Cargo Cults began in the Pacific, the Melanesian islanders had the same blind faith in their gods and even created effigies to hasten their return.

https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/cargo-cult.jpg

https://forbiddenpsychology.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/wiklinowy-samolot-2.jpg

You would say that they are primitive peoples that couldn't rationalize that something as fantastical as an airplane could be built by men. It had to have been created by a god.

I literally see zero difference between their blind faith in their god compared to your your faith in yours.

You are both the same simple imbeciles that believe in fantasy and magic. The mountain of evidence that states otherwise makes no difference because you have blind faith.

You keep your eyes tightly shut so reason and facts cannot fracture the fantasy that your parents indoctrinated you into at birth...the same way your parents were indoctrinated by your grandparents.

Unfortunately, you will continue the cycle with your children as well.

 

[1sickbastard]

No faith is believing what you know IS so...

Perhaps you should look up "faith" in a dictionary, Merriam-Webster's for example:

Full Definition of faith
plural faiths play \ˈfāths, sometimes ˈfāthz\
1
a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty
b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions

2
a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust

3
: something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>
on faith
: without question <took everything he said on faith>


So, how do you know your "faith" is so?
What objective, independently verifiable evidence do you have that;
Snakes and donkeys (not to mention bushes, either on fire or not) can talk?
That the Earth is a flat circle, resting on foundations and covered with a dome (aka the firmament)?
That corpses can be reanimated?
That the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter is a whole integer?
That there exists a heaven, a hell, or for that matter, an "afterlife"?
Or that any gods, much less your particular version of a god exists?

Of course, you have yet to define your concept of god in any meaningful way that can be tested and potentially be shown as wrong!
In other words, how do you know your definition of a god isn't wrong?

And no, don't bother throwing scriptures at me. I've read the fucking sales brochure, I mean Bible. Nor am I interested in webshites that deal in Christian Apologetics, personal antectdotes or fallacious reasoning. I'm asking for peer-reviewed sources.

See, there's a reason that religion splinters into ever more fractious denominations: if any theists could back up their crap with actual evidence and run experiments on testable predictions to show what is in concordance with observable reality and what is not, there wouldn't be so many religions.
Nor would those with "faith" have to resort to misinformation, horseshit reasoning, deliberate ignorance, censorship or (when a religion manages to gain control over secular power) outright violence in order to stifle dissent.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Then you don't believe in Darwinian Evolution.

How do you figure that?

 

[1sickbastard]

Then you don't believe in Darwinian Evolution.

I don't "believe" in anything.

The Theory of Evolution by Darwin's proposed mechanism of natural selection is a useful model that not only explains the vast body of data, but also continually makes testable and potentially falsifiable predictions which are are far more often confirmed by observation and experimentation.

What I have is a well-reasoned expectation that it will continue to provide useful results in any number of technical fields, like medicine

If an when a better model comes along that provides a better explanation and makes far more accurate predictions which can be tested and potentially falsified, but instead demonstrated a higher rate of experimental and observational confirmation, I'll go with that yet-undiscovered model when I have good reason to do so

In other words, I'm going to go with what can be shown to work in actually reality, at which point my belief or unbelief is completely irrelevant.

And before you even try:
No I don't have any faith or belief that the sun will rise tomorrow. I have a well reasoned expectation that the Earth will rotate, causing the part that I live on to gradually face the sun, which will make the sun appear to "rise".

 

[1sickbastard]

Bullshit. Only in Luke and Acts is it mentioned, and they were written by the same person. The passing mention in Mark is spurious. https://bible.org/seriespage/41-ascension-luke-2431-acts-11-11

And Spock never said that quote, 1sb.

It's been so long since I slept through Star Trek: the Motion Picture, I couldn't say if Spock said that line or if someone decided to mix a Roddenberry quote with a Spock meme.

Regardless, it's still pretty well on point.

 

[dickens_cider]

Divisive invention

Religion is, was, and always has been the most divisive and manipulative creation that stronger men developed to keep the masses under control and extract wealth from them.

If anybody attempted to invent such a ridiculous theme today, they'd be a laughing stock.

Imagine how much more peaceful a planet we'd have if religions wars ceased today.

Weak people are like sheep. Those following religion today were likely brainwashed from a tender age and are more concerned about upsetting their families and friends than thinking rationally for themselves.

 

[Phelia]

I cannot believe this goddamn trainwreck of a thread has reached 21 pages. When people complain about lit going downhill, I generally just assume they're weak and short-term memory impaired. But this is a bad sign. As our lord and savior Laurel used to say:

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/ee/eefac2c0a5e863d076c19e3f07cc55ae00b32c565839cc081fc4119528aecec6.jpg

 

[Tryharder62]

Yep, and that was before he went to Heaven. Did someone else crucify him after he got there, in order to complete the sacrifice and open the fountain?

I think Jesus is the fountain, Himself. What he did by spilling his blood on the cross allows everyone to have their sins forgiven. He went up to present Himself to God.
He could have taken some of the blood he shed with him much like the people would bring the blood of the lamb to show their sacrifice in the old testament.

Also
If Mary had Jesus, and Jesus is the lamb of God, does that mean Mary had a little lamb?

 

[Saint Peter]

Are there tacotrucks in heaven?