Stories about High School Teenagers

[oggbashan]

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But oh man, the hypocrisy. Go out and buy a hentai or hit up Fakku and tell me those characters aren't in high school or underaged. You just can't tell me people don't think like me and believe those settings and those kinds of characters can be hot.

I wasn't trying to skirt the rules of Literotica, I just wanted to know how I should use these characters to get the best story.

I've already written the first chapter anyway.

You can find and read about sex between people under 18 in many places. But on Literotica the rule, and almost the only fixed rule, is that there is NO description of sex before the age of 18.

It doesn't have to make sense in the real world. Literotica is a privately-owned site and the owners set the rules.

What this thread has been pointing out is that Literotica is not the place to write about teenage sex, however popular that may be elsewhere.

If you submit a story TO LITEROTICA that is or appears to be about sex before 18 - it will be rejected.

Elsewhere? Whatever the other site's rules are.

What some of us have been trying to do is warn you that your story line could cause difficulties for you if you want post it to Literotica. We were trying to be helpful.

 

[TamLin01]

I said "always will be close to breaking Lit's rule". I stand by that. I didn't say you can't write them. I said Lit isn't the place to post them.

Why not? Many such stories have been published. There's no problem with any of them. Omnilash and anyone else can write as many stories in such a setting as they like, so long as they don't break any of the site's content rules.

If you are writing about High School teenagers then they are barely 18 in most cases. If those are the stories you WANT to write then there are other sites that are more tolerant of High School stories.

I'm sorry, I don't want to be argumentative, but what does this even mean? "More tolerant"? I don't see any intolerance on this site. Except perhaps critically, from readers and members who don't like the use of the theme. But this is something you'll encounter with any story on any site to one degree or another.

The question really is WHY does it have to be at a High School? First time? Why not in another situation? The vacation after leaving High School for example.

Well, you'd have to ask the writer. In my case, one story was written for a Halloween contest, the other for the Holidays contest. Obviously, neither of those could be set during the summer, but for thematic reasons it was important that the main character not yet be in college and out of her parent's house and on her own.

Putting the characters in a High School even if the author says they are 18 is close to the limit. If they behave like school pupils, even the statement 'they are over 18' won't be acceptable to Laurel and her decision on her site is final.

I don't know what "behave like school pupils" means here. But if you're suggesting that a story about an 18 year old high school student having sex is a violation of the site's policies in itself, that's just wrong. Omnilash and anyone else reading this should know that this is not what the rules say, and there's absolutely no reason such a story cannot be featured on this site, as many thousands already are.

 

[oggbashan]

So... I'll come right out and say it. I think plots involving older teenagers ( 16 on up) can be really hot if written correctly. I think virgin stories can get the blood pumping just as well, but I'm realistic in knowing those kinds of character are probably going to be young and in high school. And yes, stories generally centering around school (Students and teachers for instance) can be pretty intense.

That said I'm currently writing a fiction that's basically going to be about a senior in high school trying to seduce her friend's dad. Age difference is one major reason why I want the male character to resist his attraction to her flirtatious advances. However, I know these kinds of plot lines are generally rejected on Literotica. So,I just want to know how I could get the story published on here or what people may recommend.

Thanks in advance.

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I don't know what "behave like school pupils" means here. But if you're suggesting that a story about an 18 year old high school student having sex is a violation of the site's policies in itself, that's just wrong. Omnilash and anyone else reading this should know that this is not what the rules say, and there's absolutely no reason such a story cannot be featured on this site, as many thousands already are.

I have requoted the original post. I was trying to answer the last two sentences which I have put in bold.

16+ trying to seduce a friend's dad. That breaks the 18+ rule. It isn't a standard High School story of over 18s.

The OP asked for advice. That specific advice for THAT scenario is what I have been trying to give and what you seem to misunderstand.

 

[TamLin01]

Well, no, he said a senior in high school seducing her friend's father. Sixteen year old high school seniors are pretty rare, so clearly he meant for the character to be older than that.

I'm not saying nobody should point out the 18+ rule. Pointing out that you can't write disguised kiddie porn by tossing off an 18 is important too. But don't tell him that he can't write a story about an 18 year old student because it's "too close" to breaking the rule (whatever that means) and this "isn't the place for them." That's bollocks, if you'll pardon my saying so. You can't create a new rule out of whole cloth.

Once again, to anyone reading this who is at ALL unclear on this point: You cannot write stories about underage (18) characters having sex. You CAN write stories about 18 year old characters, in whatever setting they may find themselves. That is all there is to it.

 

[sr71plt]

Once again, to anyone reading this who is at ALL unclear on this point: You cannot write stories about underage (18) characters having sex. You CAN write stories about 18 year old characters, in whatever setting they may find themselves. That is all there is to it.

You keep harping away at what isn't being questioned on the thread. But even there you are missing one of Ogg's valid points. It isn't enough for the author to declare the character is 18. If Laurel perceives the rendering of the character as younger than that, she will reject--and has rejected--the story. She also won't knowingly let a role play of an underage character through even if the actual character doing the role play is 35. So it isn't just the declaration of "old enough" here that determines whether the story will be accepted.

My issue goes to intent, though, not whether the story can get published, and since you keep just repeating something, I'll repeat that:

"high school" is code for underage in the sex publishing world. Own it.

 

[TamLin01]

Of course you can't write underage porn in a thin disguise as a way to get around the rules. That's both true and a perfectly valid point.

But if you're trying to tell us that any use of a teenage character still in school constitutes stealth underage porn that breaks the sites rules, you are simply wrong. Omnislash can write this story with an 18 year old protagonist and a small amount of common sense and be perfectly fine. Don't go around telling people otherwise. I "harp" on this point because you're creating confusion about the rules (which are perfectly clear as written), and somebody has to unmuddy those waters.

What you personally or critically think about those stories is your business. I don't care. Think away.

 

[jomar]

Don't know why this is so hard to understand. One thing does not exclude the other.

 

[TamLin01]

It's not difficult at all. The matter is crystal clear, in fact.

 

[sr71plt]

But if you're trying to tell us that any use of a teenage character still in school constitutes stealth underage porn that breaks the sites rules, you are simply wrong.

Since I'm not saying that and have posted that I'm not saying that about thirty-six times, I think we're down to you having a comprehension problem.

 

[TamLin01]

Then why are we talking about this? If we both agree that the story OS wants to write is fine, what exactly IS being said, and why?

 

[sr71plt]

Then why are we talking about this? If we both agree that the story OS wants to write is fine, what exactly IS being said, and why?

We're talking about different things, which you've been told repeatedly by more than one person, but your head is the one rattling.

 

[TamLin01]

Well, I assumed that comments in this thread were material to the topic at hand. My mistake, apparently.

 

[Jay321]

Didn't we just have this conversation? Again?

 

[TxRad]

Didn't we just have this conversation? Again?

Again, again, and again to the point that some here in the AH have our replies in notepad for cut and paste.

No sex for anyone under 18. Period. What is so hard to understand about that?

Nothing except for the people trying to circumvent the rule. It ain't going to happen and if it does a reader will report it and it comes down. Do it enough and the author comes down. Seen it happen a couple of times.

 

[49greg]

Not quite; it's 17 in SA and Tasmania, and for Queensland it's either 16 or 18 depending on what you're doing.

In the US the age requirements for sexual consent is up to each state, and there are more states with 16 as the age than there are for 18.

I think Federal law only protects minors from sexual predators, but it's been a while since I looked it up - in Wiki of course.

But it doesn't matter. The site says 18. So 18 it is.

This subject comes up regularly. Everyone weighs in on it every time.

 

[sr71plt]

Some of them just piling on long after there's no need to.

 

[HandsInTheDark]

Didn't we just have this conversation? Again?

Yup. And it will keep happening, because

1. The rule is hidden on a sticky in an obscure forum that says Welcome Authors, instead of being a click-through page on the way to the author signup page and story submission page, entitled "Read This Or You Can't Post Stories Here."

I'm surprised the current sticky isn't entitled "Beware of the leopard."

2. Even if people read it, the rule doesn't make a lot of sense to most people and won't make much of an impression for that reason. And the fact that it's a condition of submitting here, is kind of a foreign concept. You don't need to have someone approve your posts on Facebook, Livejournal or Twitter. Or other story sites. It's just not a natural idea that you need permission to put things on the internet, so it's a learning curve for everyone that comes here. Commercial authors are used to publishers setting rules - but most people coming here don't have experience in that world.

3. The rule itself isn't really 18 only. It's a fuzzier "If Laurel thinks you're suggesting that characters that appear under 18 are sexually interesting, you may or may not be rejected." On the other hand, there's stuff in the incest section that's got adults drooling over young teens (without actually doing anything), which makes the rule look quite porous.

If you think about it: "There's a nice lady who is the sole gatekeeper of what erotica gets posted on the internet's largest erotica site; and she rejects things that routinely get accepted by mainstream erotic publishers"... it sounds rather bizarre. I'm sure it makes sense from a business perspective, but most people don't have that mindset. Of course people are having WTF moments on arrival. I know I did.

Bottom line, people asking and then asking for clarification should be cut slack. The rule and its presentation is simply unexpected.

 

[LadyVer]

I'm going to be a heretic about teenage erotica. Grow some balls and write more stories about older characters. I occasionally read stories with younger characters and enjoy them, but do you writers realize what it's like for VE's to constantly get stories about high schoolers? And you wonder why it's so hard to find a VE?

 

[HandsInTheDark]

I'm going to be a heretic about teenage erotica. Grow some balls and write more stories about older characters. I occasionally read stories with younger characters and enjoy them, but do you writers realize what it's like for VE's to constantly get stories about high schoolers? And you wonder why it's so hard to find a VE?

No idea what a VE is. But my female characters are generally in their 20s (one is 18 and one is 19), my males get up into their 30s; and beyond that I don't go. It's not just that old-people-sex is dull - it's that as people get older they become more complex and difficult to write about. I don't write strokers. I do believable characters - and not to put too fine a point on it, but writing a believable 21 year old female is vastly easier than a 41 year old. By then everyone's psychotic and playing it safe.

It's got nothing to do with balls. It's about not pouring vast effort into something I'd fall asleep reading.

Anyway, go into Google Images and search "sexy blonde". I think I saw two images of people who might have been 40 plus. Maybe. For the vast majority of people, the first adjective in sexy is "young". The other adjectives will also suggest themselves from the pictures. There's your market research into what's considered hot, right there.

 

[_Lynn_]

Yup. And it will keep happening, because

1. The rule is hidden on a sticky in an obscure forum that says Welcome Authors, instead of being a click-through page on the way to the author signup page and story submission page, entitled "Read This Or You Can't Post Stories Here."

There is a link to the Submission Guidelines on each person’s submission page (which is where you can begin the process to submit new work to Lit).

No idea what a VE is.

VE = volunteer editor

 

[TxRad]

Another point you are wrong on. I've posted stories to half a dozen other erotic writing sites over the years and all of them had someone approving the story before it posts. There are only three that i know of that don't and from what is posted there most authors won't post there.

Get your facts straight.

 

[HandsInTheDark]

There is a link to the Submission Guidelines on each person’s submission page (which is where you can begin the process to submit new work to Lit).

So there is. I'd never noticed it. It's "below the fold", off screen unless you scroll down. But the Submission link itself is right there above the fold. That says everything there is to say about what's important - it's just not what Lit *means* to say.

Even if I'd noticed it - Guidelines is the crap you can ignore because it's just guidelines.

My contention is, the fact that this 18 question comes up again, and again, and again, is more than enough proof that Literotica is not doing a good job laying the down the rules. There needs to be a page of boldface "Thou shalt Not" with an agree button before anyone gets to a Submission page - and a similar page should show up when people register on the site. These are non-negotiable rules - present them as such and there's less fuss.

 

[_Lynn_]

So there is. I'd never noticed it. It's "below the fold", off screen unless you scroll down. But the Submission link itself is right there above the fold. That says everything there is to say about what's important - it's just not what Lit *means* to say.

Even if I'd noticed it - Guidelines is the crap you can ignore because it's just guidelines.

My contention is, the fact that this 18 question comes up again, and again, and again, is more than enough proof that Literotica is not doing a good job laying the down the rules. There needs to be a page of boldface "Thou shalt Not" with an agree button before anyone gets to a Submission page - and a similar page should show up when people register on the site. These are non-negotiable rules - present them as such and there's less fuss.

Take your complaint/suggestion to the one who is in charge: Laurel.

 

[TxRad]

So there is. I'd never noticed it. It's "below the fold", off screen unless you scroll down. But the Submission link itself is right there above the fold. That says everything there is to say about what's important - it's just not what Lit *means* to say.

Even if I'd noticed it - Guidelines is the crap you can ignore because it's just guidelines.

My contention is, the fact that this 18 question comes up again, and again, and again, is more than enough proof that Literotica is not doing a good job laying the down the rules. There needs to be a page of boldface "Thou shalt Not" with an agree button before anyone gets to a Submission page - and a similar page should show up when people register on the site. These are non-negotiable rules - present them as such and there's less fuss.

Since Lit was originally set up as a personal/friends page for Laurel to have something to read, the rules were pretty much known to everyone here. Then it became the largest site of its type. They say the code is being updated. Hopefully the rules, FAQ, and the rest will be updated also.

Until then, we get the questions and they get the answers. Most say Ok, them are the rules but there will always be a few that try the end around. Most won't make it but if they do, use the Report button and shut them down. It is in our own best interest.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

I'm going to be a heretic about teenage erotica. Grow some balls and write more stories about older characters. I occasionally read stories with younger characters and enjoy them, but do you writers realize what it's like for VE's to constantly get stories about high schoolers? And you wonder why it's so hard to find a VE?

You inspired me enough to create and write a story about a gal around 60 who loses her manager gig at China Mart and becomes a gangster moll. Youll love it and hate it. Look for it in 2 weeks in LW or MATURE. Its long and needs serious pruning.