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DO YOU ACCEPT JESUS GIFT OF SALVATION BELIEVING HE DIED N ROSE AGAIN FOR YOUR SINS?

  • YES

    Votes: 48 16.4%

  • NO

    Votes: 148 50.5%

  • I ALREADY ACCEPTED JESUS GIFT OF SALVATION BEFORE

    Votes: 62 21.2%

  • OTHER

    Votes: 35 11.9%
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Hard_Rom said:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50
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That video is full of complete and out right lies. If you read that ACTUAL writings of those mythological gods, you will not find most of that is asserted in this video.

Exposing the Myth of Horus:

From KingDavid8.com

Are there ACTUAL parallels between the Jesus and Horus stories?
Hardly. For those unfamiliar with the Horus story, Horus is a character in Egyptian mythology, the son of the gods Isis and Osiris. There actually appear to be multiple dieties named 'Horus', but the one who is the son of Isis and Osiris is the one the critics claim influenced the Jesus story. For a quick and unbiased debunking of this story, go to any search engine and find a site on Egyptian mythology and read the Horus story for yourself (I've provided some links at the bottom of the page), or check the mythology section at your local library (go ahead, I dare you!). Acharya S's book "The Christ Conspiracy" is the apparent source of this list, but the author provides evidentiarly footnotes for only five of the claims, and those footnotes frequently disagree with her own claims!
By the way, I had a discussion about this list with Acharya S, the author of the book "The Christ Conspiracy: The Greatest Story Ever Sold". To view a text of our discussion, go to this site.
Here are the claims of parallels between Jesus and Horus, with my responses:
1) Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.
Let’s take this one apart and deal with each separate issue:
Horus’ mother was not a virgin. She was married to Osiris, and there is no reason to suppose she was abstinent after marriage. Horus was, per the story, miraculously conceived. Seth had killed and dismembered Osiris, then Isis put her husband's dead body back together and had intercourse with it. In some versions, she used a hand-made phallus since she wasn't able to find that part of her husband. So while it was a miraculous conception, it was not a virgin birth.
Horus was given three different birthdates in mythology, one of which does correspond to December 25th. But since Jesus wasn't, per the evidence, born on 12/25, this isn't a parallel.
"Meri" (technically "Mr-ee") is the egyptian word for "beloved" and was apparently applied to Isis prior to Jesus' time, as a title, not as part of her name. But since there were probably thousands of women between Horus' time and Jesus' with a name or title that was a variation on "Mary", there's no real reason to suppose that Jesus' mother was named after Isis in particular. Even if, hypothetically, the Gospel authors themselves fabricated Jesus' mother and decided to name her "Mary", it's far more likely that they named her after other women from around their time named "Mary" than it is that they named her after "Isis-Meri"
Horus was born in a swamp, not a cave/manger. Acharya's footnotes for this point only make the claim that Jesus was born in a cave, and say nothing about Horus being born in one.
Horus' birth was not announced by a star in the east
There were no “three wise men” at Horus’ birth, or at Jesus’ for that matter (the Bible never gives the number of wise men, and they showed up at Jesus’ home, not at the manger, probably when Jesus was a year or two old).
Acharya's source for the last two claims appears to be Massey, who says "the Star in the East that arose to announce the birth of the babe (Jesus) was Orion, which is therefore called the star of Horus. That was once the star of the three kings; for the 'three kings' is still a name of three stars in Orion's belt . . . " Massey's apparently getting mixed up, and then the critics are misinterpreting it. Orion is not a star, but a constellation, of which there are three stars in a row making up the belt of Orion. However, there is no evidence that these three stars were called the "Three Kings" prior to Jesus' time, nor even prior to the 19th century, for that matter.
And even if there is a specific star called 'the star of Horus', there's no legend stating that it announced Horus' birth (as the critics are claiming) or that the three stars in Orion's belt attended Horus' birth in any way.
2) His earthly father was named "Seb" ("Joseph").
First of all, there is no parallel between the Egyptian name “Seb” and the Hebrew name “Joseph”, other than the fact that they’re common names. Also, Seb was Osiris’ father, not Horus’.
3) He was of royal descent.
This one’s true! But it's not really a comparison to Jesus. When followers speak of Jesus being of 'royal descent', they usually mean His being a descendent of King David, an earthly king. Horus was, according to the myth, descended from heavenly royalty (as Jesus was), being the son of the main god.
4) At age 12, he was a child teacher in the Temple, and at 30, he was baptized, having disappeared for 18 years.
He never taught in any temple and was never baptized. Also, Jesus didn't 'disappear' in the years between His teaching in the temple and baptism. He worked humbly as a carpenter.
5) Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus or Iarutana (Jordan) by "Anup the Baptizer" ("John the Baptist"), who was decapitated.
Again, Horus was never baptized. There is no “Anup the Baptizer” in the story.
6) He had 12 disciples, two of whom were his "witnesses" and were named "Anup" and "Aan" (the two "Johns").
Horus had four disciples (called ‘Heru-Shemsu’). There’s another reference to sixteen followers, and a group of followers called ‘mesnui’ (blacksmiths) who join Horus in battle, but are never numbered. But there’s no reference to twelve followers or any of them being named “Anup” or “Aan”.
7) He performed miracles, exorcised demons and raised El-Azarus ("El-Osiris"), from the dead.
He did perform miracles, but he never exorcised demons or raised his father from the dead. Also, Osiris is never referred to as ‘El-Azarus’ or ‘El-Osiris’ (clearly an attempt to make his name more closely resemble the Bible’s “Lazarus”).
8) Horus walked on water.
No, he did not.
9) His personal epithet was "Iusa," the "ever-becoming son" of "Ptah," the "Father." He was thus called "Holy Child."
Horus was never referred to as “Iusa” (nor was anyone in Egyptian history - the word does not exist) or “Holy Child”.
10) He delivered a "Sermon on the Mount" and his followers recounted the "Sayings of Iusa."
Horus never delivered such a sermon, and, as pointed out above, he was never referred to as “Iusa”.
11) Horus was transfigured on the Mount.
No, he was not.
12) He was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and resurrected.
Horus was never crucified. There’s an unofficial story in which he dies and is cast in pieces into the water, then later fished out by a crocodile at Isis’ request. This unofficial story is the only one in which he dies at all.
13) He was also the "Way, the Truth, the Light," "Messiah," "God’s Anointed Son," the "Son of Man," the "Good Shepherd," the "Lamb of God," the "Word made flesh," the "Word of Truth," etc.
The only titles Horus is given are “Great God”, “Chief of the Powers”, “Master of Heaven”, and “Avenger of His Father”. None of the above titles are in any Egyptian mythology.
14) He was "the Fisher" and was associated with the Fish ("Ichthys"), Lamb and Lion.
He was never referred to as “the fisher”, and there are no lamb or lion in any of the stories. Acharya S.'s footnotes on this claim only show an association with fish (which is that Horus WAS a fish, unlike Jesus), with no evidence of his being called 'the fisher' or having any association with a lamb or lion.
15) He came to fulfill the Law.
There was no “law” he was supposed to fulfill.
16) Horus was called "the KRST," or "Anointed One."
He was never referred to by either of these titles. "Krst", in Egyptian, means "burial", by the way. It wasn't a title.
17) Like Jesus, "Horus was supposed to reign one thousand years."
No mention of this in Egyptian mythology.
Links:
Encyclopedia Mythica: Horus
Egyptian Mythology: Horus
The Eye Of Horus
Horus: He Who Is Above
Tektonics: Horus, Isis, Osiris
Egyptian Book of the Dead
 
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Que said:
Especially when, as I already pointed out, nothing in his demeanor or messaging is christ-like. Christ got to know the people he ministered to he didn't just wander in and start chastising strangers.

There's a passage somewhere in scripture, I forget where, talking about how one's most virulent sins are forgiven when one assists someone else in finding truth and light. People like this guy are simply covering for there lack of esteem because of their guilty, embarrassing sins.
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The other thing evangelicals keep ignoring is that the biblical "Great Commission" was issued at a time when the Gospel (literally "good news") could ONLY be told by the telling of one person to another.

Since then, we've invented the printing press and harnessed the transmission of radio waves. Seems reason enough to me for everybody to take a break and chill out.
 
It's all myths, parables, mangled oral histories, censured geo-political history, way of life philosophies and Jungian symbols. Certainly not all bullshit but hardly an all encompassing history of the world nor the last word in how one should live.
 
Colonel Hogan said:
The other thing evangelicals keep ignoring is that the biblical "Great Commission" was issued at a time when the Gospel (literally "good news") could ONLY be told by the telling of one person to another.

Since then, we've invented the printing press and harnessed the transmission of radio waves. Seems reason enough to me for everybody to take a break and chill out.
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That reminds me of a scene in the movie "O Brother Where Art Thou?" where he says "We ain't one at a timin', you smple sum bit; we is MASS communicating!!"

In matters of faith I disagree though because I think that a personal touch is more likely to lead to a person sensing the other person's investment and being able to draw some sort of strength or reality from the other person's version of reality.
 
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Hard_Rom said:
It's all myths, parables, mangled oral histories, censured geo-political history, way of life philosophies and Jungian symbols. Certainly not all bullshit but hardly an all encompassing history of the world nor the last word in how one should live.
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An oral history is one that is passed down over multiple generations. This wasn't.

It is either what it purports to be, first hand accounts of experiences that intersect and corroborate with known, historical events, (with any attendant embellishments and distortions typical of any modern or ancient eyewitness accounts,) or it was a work of fiction, written roughly contemporaneously to the events described.


Why is it that when a narrative to debunk the bible is created, it survives scrutiny of later found information better than the bible itself does?

You are arguing as if the dead sea scrolls were never found, authenticated, translated and compared to the bible. Anti religionists of your grandparents generation would buy what you're selling but your parents should have known better.
 
Que said:
That reminds me of a scene in the movie "O Brother Where Art Thou?" where he says "We ain't one at a timin', you smple sum bit; we is MASS communicating!!"

In matters of faith I disagree though because I think that a personal touch is more likely to lead to a person sensing the other person's investment and being able to draw some sort of strength or reality from the other person's version of reality.
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Well, that would also be the philosophy of McLuhan who suggested that "the medium is the message." But I believe that is misguided if the issue is whether or not the message is actually true.

Even Paul understood what was at stake when he wrote to the church of Corinth, "And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised" and "If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied." (1 Corinthians 15: 14-15, 19)

Paul was clearly of the mind that living one's life for even a benign falsehood free of all malice in the telling was a clear waste of time and worthy of ridicule. What mattered was the truth of the matter, not the appeal of the manner in which it was communicated.
 
xfrodobagginsx

Have I said something wrong? I asked for your help yesterday at this time, and you've answered others, but not me. Please respond with regard to my post #246 reference the two Noah's ark questions with how he got the dinosaurs all in along with the other animals we're used to, plus food for them all, and his family to last over 1 year.

Please help my understanding if you will.

Thank you in advance,

w
 
wistfall1 said:
Have I said something wrong? I asked for your help yesterday at this time, and you've answered others, but not me. Please respond with regard to my post #246 reference the two Noah's ark questions with how he got the dinosaurs all in along with the other animals we're used to, plus food for them all, and his family to last over 1 year.

Please help my understanding if you will.

Thank you in advance,

w
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I've always wondered how the animals from Australia and islands were saved.
 
xfrodobagginsx

Hi. Maybe you haven't seen my posts to you since they were late at night, so I'm asking if you will look up my post, something like 246, or 249, or so. Anyway, I qauestioned about the two stories in Genesis, chapters 6 and 7 which give two different versions of just how many pairs of animals were taken into the ark (which I also originally gave you the accepted measurements for and asked if they were correct).

Anyway, I still haven't heard from you, so would you please let me know if you are still answering questions. Your learned assistance is appreciated.

Peace

w
 
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