Are You Tune Deaf?

[NOIRTRASH]

I tested my tonal competence, and its 100%, and imperative to carry a tune. It made me think of writing flow, so I researched the topic and found little info that's useful. I spot noise in musical scores like right now. Many of us spot writing noise like right now, too.

In a nutshell FLOW is writing without noise. That's not to say its beautiful or flawless, what it is, is right. Writing with flow is made of the right stuff arranged in the right sequence, like music where the tune, rhythm, etc. all work together....right....noise-free. Are you tune deaf when you write? Does your writing carry a tune?

 

[NOIRTRASH]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5donfIkY5qU

Lovely music fulla noise in the first stanza when the choir and organist perform at different tempos. The organist gets it right in the 2nd stanza, and the sound is better.

He changes his tempo at the end, but the choir is outta the way, so there is no noise.

 

[lovecraft68]

I couldn't carry a tune with a handle

 

[NOIRTRASH]

If you hate the music I got a cool army training film about noise-less telegraphy. Ham radio came from early telepraphers who sounded like they used hams to pound the telegraph key. Good telegraphy is identical to speech as both are produced at 200 words per minute.

 

[lovecraft68]

If you hate the music I got a cool army training film about noise-less telegraphy. Ham radio came from early telepraphers who sounded like they used hams to pound the telegraph key. Good telegraphy is identical to speech as both are produced at 200 words per minute.

I love music, I just can't play anything or sing worth a lick.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

I love music, I just can't play anything or sing worth a lick.

I feel your pain. I know the philosophy and got the ear, and no rhythm or voice and two left feet and hands.

 

[lovecraft68]

I feel your pain. I know the philosophy and got the ear, and no rhythm or voice and two left feet and hands.

I can dance, very well actually. Years ago one of my instructors suggested taking dance classes to help with balance. My sister was signing up to take a modern dance course so I took it with her.

Rhythm I have, an ear for music or a voice for it.....um, no.

 

[49greg]

I couldn't carry a tune in a bucket, but I enjoy listening to some music, some from the late sixties that blasted in the barracks and dorm rooms, I still like. And classical, I love waltz music but can't dance a step without help. No matter how I try I can't keep up with the beat. My wife counts it out for me - she loves to dance - and without that I'm lost. I can't hear the "beat" in music unless there's a loud drum hammering it out.

I still enjoy listening to it, but wonder what it would be like to really hear it like other people.

 

[rjordan]

If you hate the music I got a cool army training film about noise-less telegraphy. Ham radio came from early telepraphers who sounded like they used hams to pound the telegraph key. Good telegraphy is identical to speech as both are produced at 200 words per minute.

As a very long time and nearly daily user of Morse Code, I call bullshit. The world record for receiving Morse Code was established in 1939 by Ted McElroy (I have one of his keys) at 75.2 wpm. That isn't an average. That's the highest. The record still stands, though there are claims up to about 140 wpm. Nothing even close to 200 wpm.

There are international "radiosport" competitions where competitors are sent 80 CHARACTERS per minute. The rate is incrementally increased until only one is left. I believe the record there is 230 CHARACTERS per minute which works out to around 45 wpm (I'm simplifying here. The conversion would be more complex).

The old Western Union ops and railroad telegraphers sent at around 30-50 wpm day in, day out, depending on whether it was plain text messages or procedural stuff.

Speech is faster, but still not near 200 wpm. Professional speakers can handle 150+ wpm. Auctioneers probably hit 200 wpm, but it's very specialized speech, not everyday speech. Average English speech is around 125 wpm.

Some do make a comparison between Morse Code and speech. I hear many common words as a distinct sound like a few bars of melody, and more than a few common phrases come across as a familiar melody that I interpret instead of the individual letters. Day to day, most of my use of Morse is around 20-25 wpm. Occasionally, I'll converse at 30-35. I used to be able to handle simple procedural things at 45-50 wpm when I was young, but not plain text messages. Just a few letters of procedural codes sent at that rate.

So yes, good telegraphy shares precise timing and rhythm with music, and good telegraphy begins to sound like speech to competent operators. It isn't done at the same rate and it certainly isn't done at 200 wpm.

rj

 

[TxRad]

As a very long time and nearly daily user of Morse Code, I call bullshit. The world record for receiving Morse Code was established in 1939 by Ted McElroy (I have one of his keys) at 75.2 wpm. That isn't an average. That's the highest. The record still stands, though there are claims up to about 140 wpm. Nothing even close to 200 wpm.

There are international "radiosport" competitions where competitors are sent 80 CHARACTERS per minute. The rate is incrementally increased until only one is left. I believe the record there is 230 CHARACTERS per minute which works out to around 45 wpm (I'm simplifying here. The conversion would be more complex).

The old Western Union ops and railroad telegraphers sent at around 30-50 wpm day in, day out, depending on whether it was plain text messages or procedural stuff.

Speech is faster, but still not near 200 wpm. Professional speakers can handle 150+ wpm. Auctioneers probably hit 200 wpm, but it's very specialized speech, not everyday speech. Average English speech is around 125 wpm.

Some do make a comparison between Morse Code and speech. I hear many common words as a distinct sound like a few bars of melody, and more than a few common phrases come across as a familiar melody that I interpret instead of the individual letters. Day to day, most of my use of Morse is around 20-25 wpm. Occasionally, I'll converse at 30-35. I used to be able to handle simple procedural things at 45-50 wpm when I was young, but not plain text messages. Just a few letters of procedural codes sent at that rate.

So yes, good telegraphy shares precise timing and rhythm with music, and good telegraphy begins to sound like speech to competent operators. It isn't done at the same rate and it certainly isn't done at 200 wpm.

rj

JBJ has a tendency to make it up as he goes along or as it fits what point he's trying to make, which is normally, "Hey, Look at me!"

 

[NOIRTRASH]

As a very long time and nearly daily user of Morse Code, I call bullshit. The world record for receiving Morse Code was established in 1939 by Ted McElroy (I have one of his keys) at 75.2 wpm. That isn't an average. That's the highest. The record still stands, though there are claims up to about 140 wpm. Nothing even close to 200 wpm.

There are international "radiosport" competitions where competitors are sent 80 CHARACTERS per minute. The rate is incrementally increased until only one is left. I believe the record there is 230 CHARACTERS per minute which works out to around 45 wpm (I'm simplifying here. The conversion would be more complex).

The old Western Union ops and railroad telegraphers sent at around 30-50 wpm day in, day out, depending on whether it was plain text messages or procedural stuff.

Speech is faster, but still not near 200 wpm. Professional speakers can handle 150+ wpm. Auctioneers probably hit 200 wpm, but it's very specialized speech, not everyday speech. Average English speech is around 125 wpm.

Some do make a comparison between Morse Code and speech. I hear many common words as a distinct sound like a few bars of melody, and more than a few common phrases come across as a familiar melody that I interpret instead of the individual letters. Day to day, most of my use of Morse is around 20-25 wpm. Occasionally, I'll converse at 30-35. I used to be able to handle simple procedural things at 45-50 wpm when I was young, but not plain text messages. Just a few letters of procedural codes sent at that rate.

So yes, good telegraphy shares precise timing and rhythm with music, and good telegraphy begins to sound like speech to competent operators. It isn't done at the same rate and it certainly isn't done at 200 wpm.

rj

Get a code machine. I bought one for my old TRS80 back around 1981. Simply fill the cache with text, select the speed, and send. It sent perfect code.

That said, if you wanna send high speed code with hand keys do high speed word units with wider spaces. And use your other foot for a while.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

JBJ has a tendency to make it up as he goes along or as it fits what point he's trying to make, which is normally, "Hey, Look at me!"

^^^^pissed cuz I make him pay to look at me.

 

[Kantarii]

Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
I've been around for a long, long year
Stole many a man's soul to waste

And I was 'round when Jesus Christ
Had his moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that Pilate
Washed his hands and sealed his fate

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game

 

[lovecraft68]

Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
I've been around for a long, long year
Stole many a man's soul to waste

And I was 'round when Jesus Christ
Had his moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that Pilate
Washed his hands and sealed his fate

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game

Tell you what, I'll see that play and raise you this one.

Down in the graveyard where we have our tryst
The air smells sweet, the air smells sick
He never smiles, his mouth merely twists
The breath in my lungs feels clinging and thick
But I know his name, he's called Mr. D.
And one of these days he's gonna set you free
Human skulls is hangin' right 'round his neck
The palms of my hands is clammy and wet
Lord, I was dancin', dancin', dancin' so free
Dancin', dancin', dancin' so free
Dancin', Lord, keep your hand off me
Dancin' with Mr. D., with Mr. D., with Mr. D.
Will it be poison put in my glass
Will it be slow or will it be fast?
The bite of a snake, the sting of a spider
A drink of Belladonna on a Toussaint night
Hiding in a corner in New York City
Lookin' down a fourty-four in West Virginia
I was dancin', dancin', dancin' so free
Dancin', dancin', dancin' so free
Dancin', Lord, keep your hand off me
Dancin' with Mr. D., with Mr. D., with Mr. D.
One night I was dancin' with a lady in black
Wearin' black silk gloves and a black silk hat
She looked at me longin' with black velvet eyes
She gazed at me strange all cunning and wise
Then I saw the flesh just fall off her bones
The eyes in her skull was burning like coals
Lord, have mercy, fire and brimstone
I was dancin' with Mrs. D.
Lord, I was dancin', dancin', dancin' so free
I was dancin', dancin', dancin' so free
Dancin', dancin', dancin' so free
Dancin', dancin'

 

[rjordan]

Get a code machine. I bought one for my old TRS80 back around 1981. Simply fill the cache with text, select the speed, and send. It sent perfect code.

Yes, they send perfect code. And there are decoders for PC or smartphone that can receive that high speed code send faster than any human can understand it. But that wasn't your premise.

That said, if you wanna send high speed code with hand keys do high speed word units with wider spaces. And use your other foot for a while.

The so-called Farnsworth speed. You send characters or words at say, 30 wpm, but you space them out so that the effective speed is much less. Human operators can perceive individual characters at high rates, but the brain needs time to process them to write them down or type them. So spacing the characters or words provides time for processing before the next one.

The last sentence tells me you might be familiar with QLF.

rj

 

[Kantarii]

Tell you what, I'll see that play and raise you this one.

Down in the graveyard where we have our tryst
The air smells sweet, the air smells sick
He never smiles, his mouth merely twists
The breath in my lungs feels clinging and thick
But I know his name, he's called Mr. D.
And one of these days he's gonna set you free
Human skulls is hangin' right 'round his neck
The palms of my hands is clammy and wet
Lord, I was dancin', dancin', dancin' so free
Dancin', dancin', dancin' so free
Dancin', Lord, keep your hand off me
Dancin' with Mr. D., with Mr. D., with Mr. D.
Will it be poison put in my glass
Will it be slow or will it be fast?
The bite of a snake, the sting of a spider
A drink of Belladonna on a Toussaint night
Hiding in a corner in New York City
Lookin' down a fourty-four in West Virginia
I was dancin', dancin', dancin' so free
Dancin', dancin', dancin' so free
Dancin', Lord, keep your hand off me
Dancin' with Mr. D., with Mr. D., with Mr. D.
One night I was dancin' with a lady in black
Wearin' black silk gloves and a black silk hat
She looked at me longin' with black velvet eyes
She gazed at me strange all cunning and wise
Then I saw the flesh just fall off her bones
The eyes in her skull was burning like coals
Lord, have mercy, fire and brimstone
I was dancin' with Mrs. D.
Lord, I was dancin', dancin', dancin' so free
I was dancin', dancin', dancin' so free
Dancin', dancin', dancin' so free
Dancin', dancin'

You are absolutely cracking me up..... Haha

 

[J_R_Ashunwhy]

Tone deaf? No, actually, I sing mezzo.

I'm enjoying seeing Stones lyrics.

 

[Kantarii]

Tone deaf? No, actually, I sing mezzo.

I'm enjoying seeing Stones lyrics.

Hey, now, I was gonna hum a little tune I'm sure most everyone has heard at some point in their lives..... Haha (it goes like this)

Your head is humming and it won't go
In case you don't know
The piper's calling you to join him

Dear lady, can you hear the wind blow
And did you know
Your stairway lies on the whispering wind

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Yes, they send perfect code. And there are decoders for PC or smartphone that can receive that high speed code send faster than any human can understand it. But that wasn't your premise.



The so-called Farnsworth speed. You send characters or words at say, 30 wpm, but you space them out so that the effective speed is much less. Human operators can perceive individual characters at high rates, but the brain needs time to process them to write them down or type them. So spacing the characters or words provides time for processing before the next one.

The last sentence tells me you might be familiar with QLF.

rj

^^^^^LID certified

What went thru my mind was how you gotta hear the sounds of characters and words as the speed gets fast. "SOS" and other signals (Q signals and Z signals) have distinct sounds. And once you master the sounds you oughta be able to hear them like normal words. I read somewhere the normal rate of speech is 200WPM. Perhaps not in Alabama your home. I doubt anyone knows 200 words in Alabama.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

I just looked at a site where average human speech is said to fall between 145-400 words per minute. 5 wpm in Alabama.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Tips to speak Alabama Redneck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3iouDIA6Dw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGQs06KcPAc

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Native Floridiana
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq6zAoxhnsk

 

[rjordan]

^^^^^LID certified

What went thru my mind was how you gotta hear the sounds of characters and words as the speed gets fast. "SOS" and other signals (Q signals and Z signals) have distinct sounds. And once you master the sounds you oughta be able to hear them like normal words. I read somewhere the normal rate of speech is 200WPM. Perhaps not in Alabama your home. I doubt anyone knows 200 words in Alabama.

You would think so, but we have brains with dedicated centers just for speech recognition. I don't think we have Morse code centers in our brains so we have to improvise with other brain centers and apparently that exacts a cost in processing power.

Also unfamiliar words are basically spelled out and you don't know when that's going to be necessary. That requires more processing power as you have to put the letters together while retaining what you've already heard so you can put it in context. Imagine listening to someone when suddenly they have to spell out a proper name letter by letter as fast as they were speaking, then continue on with familiar words. Lots of processing power needed there.

The brain is incredibly adaptable as you know from your profession, but its still just a pile of meat. In Alabama, they measure IQ in pounds.

rj