The rules for rape

[ColetteJulie]

I have a story in which a character must be raped. It's actually her husband taking his conjugal rights in ye olden days. May I mention rape? How much of the deed may I describe? If anyone knows please tell me. Thank you.

 

[TheNaughtyCraftsman]

I wondered the same

Although mine is more along the lines of a husband/wife role play.

 

[SteamyChik]

I have a story in which a character must be raped. It's actually her husband taking his conjugal rights in ye olden days. May I mention rape? How much of the deed may I describe? If anyone knows please tell me. Thank you.

I wrote a story in a series and it was denied because it was rape. I never used that word and the story was non-consent. It was denied because at no time in the story was the person being "done things to" enjoying it. If I had rewritten it with a bit of wishy-washy feelings like "she was crying but a tiny part of her was beginning to respond" - then I think the story would have passed.

So my advice is to include a little positive response from your rape character. At least, that is my take on it.

 

[Handley_Page]

As I understand it, the rule for Rape is "NO"
Some of the arguments seen in various 'rape' threads make me wonder; if the writers had been on the Brock Turner trial, he'd have got off scot free.

 

[ColetteJulie]

Can't do. It has to be rape.

 

[Weird Harold]

I have a story in which a character must be raped. It's actually her husband taking his conjugal rights in ye olden days. May I mention rape? How much of the deed may I describe? If anyone knows please tell me. Thank you.

The rule is very subjective; Lit publishes "Rape Fantasy" but does NOT publish "Rapist Fantasy." But "the needs of the story" can moderate that distinction.

In one sense, you can get away with almost anything as long as it isn't gratuitous and doesn't "glorify" rape. Your rapist can enjoy the sex, but not the control or humiliation. The victim should eventually enjoy the situation, but the less the rape is enjoyed by the victim or enjoyed by the rapist, the less graphic the description should be.

 

[ColetteJulie]

Ah! Thank you WeirdHarold, that makes things much clearer. I think I'm within bounds here. The man who rapes her is her husband. She finds love in his brother's arms. I need to give her a reason to flee to the brother. Thus it won't be nice for her and I don't address his feelings either. Thank you very much

 

[Weird Harold]

Ah! Thank you WeirdHarold, that makes things much clearer. I think I'm within bounds here. The man who rapes her is her husband. She finds love in his brother's arms. I need to give her a reason to flee to the brother. Thus it won't be nice for her and I don't address his feelings either. Thank you very much

Perhaps a beating rather than a rape would give her the reason to leave without skirting the rape quagmire?

 

[Serafina1210]

I have stories in which rape and/or child abuse figures as part of a character's history. I mention it, sometimes fuzzily, but never even get close to describing the act.

I also have rape fantasy, which the "victim" ends up enjoying because she likes it rough, or likes being forced, or has fallen in love. This is also okay.

If you've got to have a realistic rape--a true act of violence, hateful from beginning to end, which leaves the victim traumatized, my advice is to have it happen offstage, mentioning few or no details, or post the story on a site that will allow it.

 

[lovecraft68]

The rule is so gray and the lines between reluctance, non consent and dubious consent are very fine.

Even the sites description of its own rule has changed as time goes so I think your best bet is to write whatever you want to and submit it.

If it hits Laurel's squick zone, it will get the boot, if not you'll be in and that's really what it comes down to, so give just give it a shot, there's no penalty for rejection here other than the story doesn't post.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Ah! Thank you WeirdHarold, that makes things much clearer. I think I'm within bounds here. The man who rapes her is her husband. She finds love in his brother's arms. I need to give her a reason to flee to the brother. Thus it won't be nice for her and I don't address his feelings either. Thank you very much

Might get through if you don't describe the rape in detail - do a "fade to black" at some point and then describe the aftermath.

 

[ColetteJulie]

Perhaps a beating rather than a rape would give her the reason to leave without skirting the rape quagmire?

Afraid not

 

[Weird Harold]

Afraid not

It's your story. Tell it the best way you can.

 

[ColetteJulie]

Perhaps a beating rather than a rape would give her the reason to leave without skirting the rape quagmire?

The rule is so gray and the lines between reluctance, non consent and dubious consent are very fine.

Even the sites description of its own rule has changed as time goes so I think your best bet is to write whatever you want to and submit it.

If it hits Laurel's squick zone, it will get the boot, if not you'll be in and that's really what it comes down to, so give just give it a shot, there's no penalty for rejection here other than the story doesn't post.

I'm afraid she won't get away with a beating Weird Harold. You hit the spot there with the consent issue lovecraft.

The story is based on Elizabeth Louise of Baden who married the (then Grand Duke) Alexander I who becomes Tsar Alexander on Paul's death. Whether or not their marriage was unhappy or not - I don't know. I don't care to read enough Chekov or Tolstoy to find out. I do know that Alexander had a younger brother Konstantin Pavlovich, Alexander is merely asserting his conjugal rights, without her consent as she already likes Konstantin before she marries Alexander. The story is told 3rd person, but I justify her adultery with the rape. I think quagmire is a good description of the complications I have created for myself Weird Harold. Thank you again to both of you, will certainly give it a shot here.

 

[sr71plt]

Don't use "rape" as a tag. That won't be accepted here. (Don't use "murder" either.)

 

[Handley_Page]

I'm afraid she won't get away with a beating Weird Harold. You hit the spot there with the consent issue lovecraft.

The story is based on Elizabeth Louise of Baden who married the (then Grand Duke) Alexander I who becomes Tsar Alexander on Paul's death. Whether or not their marriage was unhappy or not - I don't know. I don't care to read enough Chekov or Tolstoy to find out. I do know that Alexander had a younger brother Konstantin Pavlovich, Alexander is merely asserting his conjugal rights, without her consent as she already likes Konstantin before she marries Alexander. The story is told 3rd person, but I justify her adultery with the rape. I think quagmire is a good description of the complications I have created for myself Weird Harold. Thank you again to both of you, will certainly give it a shot here.

Could you settle for either an 'assault' or 'forced his attentions on her' ?

 

[Hypoxia]

Unless the victim 'enjoys' the assault, you can report but not describe the rape. And as Pilot said, 'rape' and 'murder' aren't allowed as tags. Describe the setup; report the rape and her struggles; describe the aftermath. You might go into WHY she resisted her royal husband. Was she bruised and sore from earlier semi-consensual sex, or ill and feverish, or disgusted by his drunkenness and/or lack of sanitation? Was this his first assault or only the latest of many?

 

[sr71plt]

Having now been given the context, it looks like you have two options: If the centerpiece of the story is the rape by her husband (which wasn't rape, by law, at that time, so you couldn't use that wording and be consistent with the time frame you give), write it, and post it somewhere else. Or, if something else is the point of your story describe the off-the-scene event as a physical and emotional form of brutality that has left her in X frame of mine and hurt of body and move on to what the story is actually about--presumably what her husband's brutality led her to do. It wasn't rape in the historical context but it won't be accepted here anyway if it's graphically described. This is the point at which you ask yourself, as a writer, how necessary it is to give it graphic depiction--and why?

It's not really the point to continue discussing here what will pass and what what won't, because only the sole submissions editor, Laurel, can decide that, the issue has gray areas, and she isn't in on this discussion. Everything else is the same spinning of wheels we get here twice a week.

 

[lovecraft68]

Don't use "rape" as a tag. That won't be accepted here. (Don't use "murder" either.)

You sure about that?

Only reason I ask is apparently the site that doesn't allow 'full rape' stories has no issue using the word right there in the title.

https://search.literotica.com/searc...=newer&sort=relevancy&sort_order=desc&author=

So I have no idea why it couldn't be used as a tag.

Now, this in a nutshell is why I will never back off saying their rape rule is pure bullshit and hypocrisy.

They don't allow under age and you can bet "My fourteen year old sister" would never make it through.

Then again....boy this one hits close to two rule breakers

https://www.literotica.com/s/high-school-rape-lesson

High school...hmmm

This is why I think the OP is worried over nothing, the rules a joke unless something in it specifically rubs Laurel the wrong way.

 

[sr71plt]

I'm positive. And it's easy to check that out. Running a search on the tag "rape" across all stories on the site comes back with no results:

https://search.literotica.com/searc...=newer&sort=relevancy&sort_order=desc&author=

 

[HandsInTheDark]

OP: you're on the hairy edge of the rules, and whether it passes will depend in the end on minor word choices, and quite possibly how Laurel is feeling that day. Submit it and if it's rejected, take the suggestion of alluding to but not describing the rape.

I'm with others: there are less heavyhanded ways to destroy a marriage. My guess is you have your reasons for wanting it this way, so the best you can do is try and see. There's no penalty for trying.

 

[TheNaughtyCraftsman]

Just for clarification

If this "rape" is part of a fantasy role play between a couple, then it's good to go?

 

[ColetteJulie]

OP: you're on the hairy edge of the rules, and whether it passes will depend in the end on minor word choices, and quite possibly how Laurel is feeling that day. Submit it and if it's rejected, take the suggestion of alluding to but not describing the rape.

I'm with others: there are less heavyhanded ways to destroy a marriage. My guess is you have your reasons for wanting it this way, so the best you can do is try and see. There's no penalty for trying.

Having now been given the context, it looks like you have two options: If the centerpiece of the story is the rape by her husband (which wasn't rape, by law, at that time, so you couldn't use that wording and be consistent with the time frame you give), write it, and post it somewhere else. Or, if something else is the point of your story describe the off-the-scene event as a physical and emotional form of brutality that has left her in X frame of mine and hurt of body and move on to what the story is actually about--presumably what her husband's brutality led her to do. It wasn't rape in the historical context but it won't be accepted here anyway if it's graphically described. This is the point at which you ask yourself, as a writer, how necessary it is to give it graphic depiction--and why?

It's not really the point to continue discussing here what will pass and what what won't, because only the sole submissions editor, Laurel, can decide that, the issue has gray areas, and she isn't in on this discussion. Everything else is the same spinning of wheels we get here twice a week.

Unless the victim 'enjoys' the assault, you can report but not describe the rape. And as Pilot said, 'rape' and 'murder' aren't allowed as tags. Describe the setup; report the rape and her struggles; describe the aftermath. You might go into WHY she resisted her royal husband. Was she bruised and sore from earlier semi-consensual sex, or ill and feverish, or disgusted by his drunkenness and/or lack of sanitation? Was this his first assault or only the latest of many?

Could you settle for either an 'assault' or 'forced his attentions on her' ?

It's your story. Tell it the best way you can.

Best thing to do is write it like planned it (I use that word loosely). I didn't intend to offer any sexual gratification to anyone reading the physical aspect of it. Like I said it's her emotions that are more important. Thank you very much for all your input, it's much appreciated by this novice. Pilot, duly noted about the tags. I did put murder in once as a tag and it was immediately rejected, I couldn't even submit the story without changing the tag. Also, noted, it wasn't considered rape, but women don't feel different about being violated today than they did 300 years ago. The human condition is constant.

 

[Weird Harold]

If this "rape" is part of a fantasy role play between a couple, then it's good to go?

That would fall under the general guideline, "If a scene can be lifted out of context and mistaken for banned material, then it IS banned material."

IOW, if the role-play is written in such a way that it isn't always clear that it is role-play, then it will be rejected.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

That would fall under the general guideline, .Wouldn't non-consent be a better description?