Modern Farming - should it be based on (scientific poll to follow)

[hobbit.]

Traditionaly farming has been carried out by muscle bound half wits, with a view to making money, shit loads of money, fucking huge shitty piles of cash.

In this day and age though farms are failing across the world? why? is because farmers are esentialy gullable, stupid? greedy or morally berefext of any basic concept of humanity?

whay should they base their modern appraoach to farming?

 

[neci]

slash and burn is the only way to go.

 

[hobbit.]

slash and burn is the only way to go.

Scottish politics aside, do you have a view on modern agronomy?

 

[neci]

Scottish politics aside, do you have a view on modern agronomy?

i do, but it's probably too lovey dovey. aside from bombing monsanto plants it is quite simple. my dollar is better spent supporting local farmers and ranchers who care for the land so we may have a future. as far as the massive dump of chemicals on the world, i can scream and spend my dollar where i believe is best. it may be nothing, but it is what i have.

 

[phrodeau]

Once Bayer buys Monsanto, they'll be in a good position to cure all the headaches of modern agriculture.

 

[pensivepoet]

Once Bayer buys Monsanto, they'll be in a good position to cure all the headaches of modern agriculture.

Yeah, 62 billion.
I'm not sure a German drug maker is the best choice to control the world's poison.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

How much single malt did you consume to have so many typos?

 

[trysail]

"Modern agriculture has been described as a way of turning hydrocarbons into food. Without cheap energy— a single gallon of gasoline is the energy equivalent of 100 hours of old-fashioned labor— the world would certainly have trouble producing half of the current food supply, and that fraction could be substantially less. Hydrocarbons are not only critical to farm equipment and food distribution over very large distances, but also play a dominant role in fertilizer production. With sparse hydrocarbon usage, American agriculture would have to be totally and painfully restructured..."

-Jeremy Grantham

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[Pairaclities]

"Modern agriculture has been described as a way of turning hydrocarbons into food. Without cheap energy— a single gallon of gasoline is the energy equivalent of 100 hours of old-fashioned labor— the world would certainly have trouble producing half of the current food supply, and that fraction could be substantially less. Hydrocarbons are not only critical to farm equipment and food distribution over very large distances, but also play a dominant role in fertilizer production. With sparse hydrocarbon usage, American agriculture would have to be totally and painfully restructured..."

-Jeremy Grantham

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Quite true. Imagine currently farming 4 sections with about 5 million dollars in farm equipment and having to park the fleet to farm with horses.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Traditionaly farming has been carried out by muscle bound half wits, with a view to making money, shit loads of money, fucking huge shitty piles of cash.

In this day and age though farms are failing across the world? why? is because farmers are esentialy gullable, stupid? greedy or morally berefext of any basic concept of humanity?

whay should they base their modern appraoach to farming?

The way it is now.

Whatever the fuck Monsanto says.

 

[Lancecastor]

The chemists behind modern farming are clearly Tit Men.

They should be gmo-ing foids that give women longer legs, not oversized udders.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Traditionaly farming has been carried out by muscle bound half wits, with a view to making money, shit loads of money, fucking huge shitty piles of cash.

In this day and age though farms are failing across the world? why? is because farmers are esentialy gullable, stupid? greedy or morally berefext of any basic concept of humanity?

whay should they base their modern appraoach to farming?

Farms may be failing, the smaller and less productive, but agriculture is not. You have presented a load of fertilizer (shite).

Farms have grown in size and efficiency and thank to advanced mechanization, the simple fact is that fewer actual farmers are needed and as small farms are incorporated, we are able to more efficiently farm.

People hung up on Monsanto are the equivalent of Luddites...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Every single thing you eat has been genetically modified.



Why the hell are you getting your panties in a wad over the rate of modification?

Now, resume throwing your wooden shoes...

 

[Lancecastor]

Every single thing you eat has been genetically modified.



Why the hell are you getting your panties in a wad over the rate of modification?

Now, resume throwing your wooden shoes...

In the USA, something like 80% of all processed foods have a gm component.

But you have only a handful of whole foods that are gmo.

Your gmo corn for example has links to increasing rates of liver and throat cancer... Yummy!

 

[colddiesel]

Very few farm products are sold into a genuine market. US Farm subsidies, the EU CAP(Common Agricultural Policy and subsidies in Japan are as big or bigger than defence budgets. They all encourage over production and they all prevent third world countries from exporting.

Monsanto is only responding to the government subsidized push to over produce.

Outside of governments, the biggest controllers of Farm prices are the Supermarkets. For example, Hobbit's hero Tony Blair fixed it in UK so that 4 big Supermarkets controlled most of the abbatoirs. Through that they controlled the meat market. Guess who was minister at the time - a guy called Sainsbury! - who by sheer coincidence owned one of the big 4.

Governments and Supermarkets control Agriculture far more than Monsanto. Monsanto is just responding to artificially inflated demand.

 

[Mrtenant]

I'm sensing a theme here

 

[Lancecastor]

I'm sensing a theme here

Monsanto seeds bred with his pigs.

Pork Chex!

 

[BotanyBoy]

Farms may be failing, the smaller and less productive, but agriculture is not. You have presented a load of fertilizer (shite).

Farms have grown in size and efficiency and thank to advanced mechanization, the simple fact is that fewer actual farmers are needed and as small farms are incorporated, we are able to more efficiently farm.

People hung up on Monsanto are the equivalent of Luddites...

Small farms are incorporated?

By that you mean small farms are sued to the moon after monsanto pollinates their crops and have their farms taken from them......

Because that's the reality. This has NOTHING to do with markets and everything to do with government/legal manipulations.

Every single thing you eat has been genetically modified.
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No, it's not and you can't provide any evidence that what you say is true.

Governments and Supermarkets control Agriculture far more than Monsanto.

Monsanto has some level of control over the government. They have demonstrated time and again they can purchase any legislation they want.

Monsanto is just responding to artificially inflated demand.

Like 30 years ago maybe.....now they just use the gov as their goon squad to go take out mom/pop farmers.

 

[hobbit.]

Monsanto are evil. but that doesnt excuse farmers destroying the world in pursuit of profit.

In UK the various sections of farmers trade associations, dressed up as unions, are sticking up for glyphosate like its the new Messiah. the dumb fuckers also used to love OP sheep dip .....
For evil to triumph it only needs a few greedy bastard farmers to fuck up the eco system.

Should Bayer get Monsanto......

 

[pensivepoet]

Monsanto turned it down, but batted it's eyelashes like a Dodge City whore adjusting her stockings.
There was a big case a couple years ago between monsanto and a small farmer
(i can't remember the exact details)
It went something like this~
The farmer did his first soybean crop with monsanto, then wanted to do a second crop without it.
Monsanto sued Joe Dirt and Joe lost everything.
I think it went to the supreme court.
Once you deal with the devil, there's no getting away from him.

 

[pensivepoet]

Wish I could link, but not from this phone, but google "monsanto law in south america"
Fuck, they're evil!

 

[juttjaw]

i do, but it's probably too lovey dovey. aside from bombing monsanto plants it is quite simple. my dollar is better spent supporting local farmers and ranchers who care for the land so we may have a future. as far as the massive dump of chemicals on the world, i can scream and spend my dollar where i believe is best. it may be nothing, but it is what i have.

I agree. I support my local farmers, they live all around me. Fact of the matter is, if I'm going to pick up some kale for that delicious frittata I'm making, sure.. Local is better. If I need some great heirloom tomatoes... Yes, local is better... If I'm going to eat stewed rabbit in a cream sauce, yes, local is better.. However, the world cannot be supported by the local small farm up the lane. Let's face it, the U.S. provides the world with food. No matter grains or meat... Living in the heart of farm country USA, most of this farmable land has been in families for generations. There's not Monsanto henchmen running the combines or working the land. These are all local farmers. Every last one lives either on or near their fields. They care what they put on them because they have to drink the water and breath the air. Am I saying that they follow the best and safest practices? Probably not. But they operate within legal guidelines, and most of them have seen the ravenous nature of mismanaged land... They won't shit where they eat.

As for gmo??? I'd like to see it kept to vegetation.. When it gets to animals? I don't know, it just seems wrong.

 

[phrodeau]

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As for gmo??? I'd like to see it kept to vegetation.. When it gets to animals? I don't know, it just seems wrong.

Animal husbandry (artificial selection) has given us fat cows with fatty meat and fatty milk. And now we have a lot more fat people. Coincidence?

 

[hobbit.]

Wish I could link, but not from this phone, but google "monsanto law in south america"
Fuck, they're evil!

do you mean this one? -
http://www.nelsonfarm.net

or it might be one of these -
http://naturalsociety.com/monsanto-sued-farmers-16-years-gmos-never-lost/

this could be another one -
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/feb/12/monsanto-sues-farmers-seed-patents

shares in Bayer are falling like a rock as share holders contemplate a merger / takeover.

 

[phrodeau]

Quite true. Imagine currently farming 4 sections with about 5 million dollars in farm equipment and having to park the fleet to farm with horses.

They could run the equipment with biodiesel and ethanol.