Crime Created by ‘System,’ Successful People ‘Just Lucky,’

[RobDownSouth]

So then it's your contention that the 30 million people who were going to get covered under the ACA was untrue , because 20 million or so are illegal aliens, thus being ineligible.

You're mixing and matching numbers.
At the height of the Great Recession in 2010, 18.2% of nonelderly American population was uninsured, according to the Kaiser foundation. By the end of 2015 (most recent figures available), the number had plummeted to 10.6%, the lowest rate ever recorded since records began being kept in 1972.

Some more facts:

• The uninsured rate among Black non-Hispanics dropped by more than 50 percent (from 22.4 to 10 percent); corresponding to about 3 million adults gaining coverage.
• The uninsured rate among Hispanics dropped by more than 25 percent (from 41.8 to 30.5 percent), corresponding to about 4 million Hispanic adults gaining coverage.
• The uninsured rate among White non-Hispanics declined by more than 50 percent (from 14.3 to 7.0 percent), corresponding to about 8.9 million adults gaining coverage.

20 million people have gained health insurance coverage because of the Affordable Care Act, new estimates show

More people than ever before have health insurance, despite the right wing claims that "only a few" now have coverage.

The fairy dust your referring to, passing stand alone legislation that prevents insurers from excluding preexisting conditions is in the ACA, it hasn't bankrupted the insurance industry. In fact profits have never been better. Small businesses get to keep their insurance because costs aren't going up either , right? Health Insurers watch profits soar, they dump small businesses

The tradeoff for pre-existing conditions was the requirement that everyone 26-65 be required to take personal responsibility for their health insurance and the health insurance of their families. The embiggened risk pool allowed for the coverage of pre-exisiting conditions without bankrupting insurance companies. This is basic risk management 101.

Insurers are still gouging people on the price of Meds .

Yes they are. There is no change in prescription drug remedies in Obamacare. Blame capitalism

Maybe if that mystical $2,500 per year (each family was supposed to save) was real, it could cover the cost of meds..

The correct quote was "UP TO $2500 per year". There was no guarantee of $2500 savings, your goalpost moving notwithstanding.

The ACA is fairy dust for the masses but it's raining gold for the Top 1%.

Classic wealth envy.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Can't be too bad....they haven't quit yet.

That was another Vettefact from a few years back, Vetteman personally knew "lots" of physicians who were hanging it up due to the advent of Obamacare.

 

[miles]

Are you shittin' me?

Half the physicians in my town are ready to quit out of frustration.



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Sean is in a fatal Kool Aid coma. He lives in a make believe liberal fucktard universe with unicorns and rainbows.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Sean is in a fatal Kool Aid coma. He lives in a make believe liberal fucktard universe with unicorns and rainbows.

Miles, your progeny should shed their earthskin in a thermic event.

 

[Disgustipated]

That was another Vettefact from a few years back, Vetteman personally knew "lots" of physicians who were hanging it up due to the advent of Obamacare.

He met those physicians at MickyDee's for a nice breakfast every 3rd Sunday of the month.

 

[hashtag45]

You guys are unbelievable.

The net is full of references to the fact that most physicians are discontent with the current admin. system.
For personal reasons (lower salaries and level of satisfaction) but also related to quality of care even patient safety in some cases.
And we're not talking about sources like "American thinkers" - all these come from reputable sites and professional organizations and such.

And instead of coming up with similar good counterarguments, you two engage in juvenile jokes and giggling.

 

[RobDownSouth]

You guys are unbelievable.

The net is full of references to the fact that most physicians are discontent with the current admin. system.
For personal reasons (lower salaries and level of satisfaction) but also related to quality of care even patient safety in some cases.
And we're not talking about sources like "American thinkers" - all these come from reputable sites and professional organizations and such.

And instead of coming up with similar good counterarguments, you two engage in juvenile jokes and giggling.

No one is doubting American physicians are complaining. American physicians have always complained.

The point is that the whackadoodle right continually regurgitates the talkin' point that physicians are leavin' their chosen profession in droves due to Obamacare, but fall mysteriously silent when asked to document teh carnage usin' facts.

#HeTriesSooooHard

 

[hashtag45]

No one is doubting American physicians are complaining. American physicians have always complained.

The point is that the whackadoodle right continually regurgitates the talkin' point that physicians are leavin' their chosen profession in droves due to Obamacare, but fall mysteriously silent when asked to document teh carnage usin' facts.

#HeTriesSooooHard

I'm going to ignore the "you're Queerbait" comment for a moment.

Yup, they Are leaving.
If you surf the net, you'll see that many physicians have become increasingly dissatisfied with their job for many years, BEFORE Obamacare, (for several reasons) and that some Have been leaving their profession. And that they predict that more will do so in the future.

My pov (I might be mistaken tho) is that the conandrum lies in the fact that Obama tried to patch up an Insurance System (or whatever they call it) that was flawed to begin with. Which of course solved some problems, but it inevitably created new ones.

It's a difficult and very interesting topic, and I've been reading with interest all posters' opinions.
I was hoping, however, that this won't turn into the inevitable "let me show you that mine is bigger than yours" type of GB debate, for All of you: both the R and the L discounting the facts because they don't want the other side to win.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Can't be too bad....they haven't quit yet.

Mine did.

He's running a stable now...

 

[richard_daily]

Are you shittin' me?

Half the physicians in my town are ready to quit out of frustration.



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It sounds like they need a good union.

Or they can "just find a new job" as the right-wing mantra goes.

 

[miles]

Mine did.

He's running a stable now...

They don't always quit...lots of them work fewer hours and stop seeing new patients. Some stop accepting Medicare patients because reimbursements suck. Others stop accepting insurance altogether.

The same people who claim Fraudcare is a good thing are the same ones who complain MD's are overpaid.

Ask a group of doctors if they'd encourage their kids to go into medicine.

 

[hashtag45]

They don't always quit...lots of them work fewer hours and stop seeing new patients. Some stop accepting Medicare patients because reimbursements suck. Others stop accepting insurance altogether.

The same people who claim Fraudcare is a good thing are the same ones who complain MD's are overpaid.

Ask a group of doctors if they'd encourage their kids to go into medicine.

Or some end up committing suicide…

 

[Sean Renaud]

Who compalins that MDs are overpaid?

 

[miles]

I'm going to ignore the "you're Queerbait" comment for a moment.

PervDownSouth accuses others or racism and homophobia but loves calling people "Queerbait."

I guess being a despicable, lying piece of shit isn't bad enough. He has to be a fucking moron, too.

 

[miles]

Michael Sam is claiming he isn't playing in the NFL because he's gay. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that he's too slow and too small. He couldn't even make it in the CFL.

He's a classic example of blaming someone else for his own shortcomings and refusing to accept personal responsibility. He'll never amount to a hill of beans.

The man is a victim of Sean R.'s belief that society is to blame for an individual's failure. We know how well that works out for people.

 

[hashtag45]

PervDownSouth accuses others or racism and homophobia but loves calling people "Queerbait."

I guess being a despicable, lying piece of shit isn't bad enough. He has to be a fucking moron, too.

The irony is : that as far as I'm concerned, his "insult" was bang-on, in a way.

- Do you have any idea how many GB men trolled me, stalked me or otherwise threw demeaning homophobic comments in my direction (under their usernames or alts) since they suspected me of being "a man who's impersonating a woman"? Quite a few. And All of them were progressives and friends of Rob. And Rob too (under his alt smootG)

- And the nerve that the same people have, to chastitize me for posting with the "R-wingers" who treated me with the utmost respect, and who never cared about my genitals.

As far as Que is concerned - I hate to admit it because I'm anything But a Que fan : but you're right

 

[Sean Renaud]

I don't know who this Micheal Sam is, don't give a shit about sports tbh. But he very well could have failed because he sucks. Tell me again how he formed the NFL or founded the college he attended.

 

[nerfhearder]

Michael Sam is claiming he isn't playing in the NFL because he's gay. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that he's too slow and too small. He couldn't even make it in the CFL.

He's a classic example of blaming someone else for his own shortcomings and refusing to accept personal responsibility. He'll never amount to a hill of beans.

The man is a victim of Sean R.'s belief that society is to blame for an individual's failure. We know how well that works out for people.

There's a story out there that the Rams made a deal with the NFL to draft Sam if they didn't have to be on Hard Knocks. It's probably true but that still has nothing to do with the fact that they would have kept him if he had been any good. No team is going to cut a good player unless they have to, there aren't enough of them to be throwing them away just because they like to suck dick.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Mine did.

He's running a stable now...

Anecdata! "Mine quit, so everybody's quit!"

PervDownSouth accuses others or racism and homophobia but loves calling people "Queerbait."

I guess being a despicable, lying piece of shit isn't bad enough. He has to be a fucking moron, too.

Wrong again. I call ONE person "Queerbait", and I do it to honor his mother, who came up with the name after she discovered him jacking off to the men's underwear section of the Penney's catalog. He does, however, use a lot of alts (just like you and Karen used do "Xanophil"!)

The irony is : that as far as I'm concerned, his "insult" was bang-on, in a way.

- Do you have any idea how many GB men trolled me, stalked me or otherwise threw demeaning homophobic comments in my direction (under their usernames or alts) since they suspected me of being "a man who's impersonating a woman"? Quite a few. And All of them were progressives and friends of Rob. And Rob too (under his alt smootG)

- And the nerve that the same people have, to chastitize me for posting with the "R-wingers" who treated me with the utmost respect, and who never cared about my genitals.

As far as Que is concerned - I hate to admit it because I'm anything But a Que fan : but you're right

Hashtag is Que's bashing alt. He uses it to say things he doesn't have the guts to say using his main userid. Que "feuds" with his alts because he thinks he's establishing "plausible deniability" for his main ID, and when people call him on it, he accuses his accusers of using alts. He's bragged before about creating "deep cover" and "well-seasoned" alts, and envisions himself the board "puppetmaster".

He obviously had a very difficult childhood.

 

[hashtag45]

Hashtag is Que's bashing alt. He uses it to say things he doesn't have the guts to say using his main userid. Que "feuds" with his alts because he thinks he's establishing "plausible deniability" for his main ID, and when people call him on it, he accuses his accusers of using alts. He's bragged before about creating "deep cover" and "well-seasoned" alts, and envisions himself the board "puppetmaster".

He obviously had a very difficult childhood.

Are you:

a.dumb
b.pretending to be dumb
c.paranoid
d.all of the above

 

[Disgustipated]

Mine did.

He's running a stable now...

They don't always quit...lots of them work fewer hours and stop seeing new patients. Some stop accepting Medicare patients because reimbursements suck. Others stop accepting insurance altogether.

The same people who claim Fraudcare is a good thing are the same ones who complain MD's are overpaid.

Ask a group of doctors if they'd encourage their kids to go into medicine.

You two might wanna think about folding up your tents and moving somewhere that the doctors have actually graduated med school.

A stable? Bullshit. Unless he's retiring to tend the stable.

 

[hashtag45]

You two might wanna think about folding up your tents and moving somewhere that the doctors have actually graduated med school..

Quite possible. You haven't done your research and still believe in the old-school myths.
http://www.fastcompany.com/3056015/the-hidden-epidemic-of-doctor-suicides

 

[Disgustipated]

Ahahahahahahahaha!

 

[hashtag45]

Ahahahahahahahaha!

Translation: "hee-haw!"

 

[snugglestruggle]

You're mixing and matching numbers.
At the height of the Great Recession in 2010, 18.2% of nonelderly American population was uninsured, according to the Kaiser foundation. By the end of 2015 (most recent figures available), the number had plummeted to 10.6%, the lowest rate ever recorded since records began being kept in 1972.

Some more facts:

• The uninsured rate among Black non-Hispanics dropped by more than 50 percent (from 22.4 to 10 percent); corresponding to about 3 million adults gaining coverage.
• The uninsured rate among Hispanics dropped by more than 25 percent (from 41.8 to 30.5 percent), corresponding to about 4 million Hispanic adults gaining coverage.
• The uninsured rate among White non-Hispanics declined by more than 50 percent (from 14.3 to 7.0 percent), corresponding to about 8.9 million adults gaining coverage.

20 million people have gained health insurance coverage because of the Affordable Care Act, new estimates show

More people than ever before have health insurance, despite the right wing claims that "only a few" now have coverage.



The tradeoff for pre-existing conditions was the requirement that everyone 26-65 be required to take personal responsibility for their health insurance and the health insurance of their families. The embiggened risk pool allowed for the coverage of pre-exisiting conditions without bankrupting insurance companies. This is basic risk management 101.




Yes they are. There is no change in prescription drug remedies in Obamacare. Blame capitalism


The correct quote was "UP TO $2500 per year". There was no guarantee of $2500 savings, your goalpost moving notwithstanding.


Classic wealth envy.

Your the one moving goal posts, I used your numbers. Oh wait now here comes a new bunch of numbers, Oh goody. Who didn't see that coming

Here is a video montage of Obama waffling back n forth between savings by up to and actually saying every family will save $2,500. Either way it was a lie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o65vMUk5so

ObamaCare.

"There's no question premiums are still going to keep going up," said Larry Levitt of the Kaiser Family Foundation, a research clearinghouse on the health care system. "There are pieces of reform that will hopefully keep them from going up as fast. But it would be miraculous if premiums actually went down relative to where they are today."

Nuff said.