What does matter ?

[gotsnowgotslush]

"That does not matter."

This is what a teen was told by a Baltimore police officer, when the teen tried to claim the legal right to be left in peace, at his own home.

"This is my house," the teen said to the officer.

"That don't matter," the officer replied.

What might have helped this teen ?
Using these words ?
“I Do Not Wish To Speak To You Without My Lawyer Present.”

The teen was approached by the officer, because the officer wanted to speak to the homeowner.

The teen gave the officer a reasonable answer. He told the officer that the homeowner is away, at work.

The first officer had no warrant. The second officer had no warrant.
Were the police trying to search the house without a warrant ?
Were the police seeking to arrest the homeowner without a warrant ?

Two teen boys were inide the home, and spoke to the first officer.
The boy who spoke to the officer, and refused him entry into the home was arrested.

Another officer arrives. That officer grabbed the teen and arrested the teen, after the teen told the officer that "This is my house."

witness to the arrest explains what he had seen-

"So, he tryin to come in with us, so we tell him you ain't go no search warrant or nothing to come in the house, so how are you gonna try to come in?"

"And, the white police officer, he just got out of the car--ain't ask nothing, ain't say nothing--just stepped in and grabbed my homeboy out of the house, grabbed him by the neck and slung him over that way."


The second officer arrested the teen in a violent matter. He grabbed the boy, mauled the boy, and threw him to the ground.

“If they don’t want police in their house, then they shouldn’t let the police in their house, and they shouldn’t let the police intimidate them into letting them into their house,” ACLU attorney David Rocah said. “What’s troubling with this video is the people seem to be exercising their rights, and the arrest seems to be for them exercising their rights.”

Video clip of incident

http://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/man-arrested-after-refusing-police-entry-to-baltimore-home

Both teen boys were residents of the home.

One teen was home, and the second teen tried to get the first teen's attention by banging on the door and window, to gain entrance.

Why the first officer followed the teen to his home, is an unanswered question.
Maybe, because he thought the teen would lead him to the homeowner ?
Who knows ?

The teen was released the day after the incident.
Charges of disorderly conduct were dropped.

"If they don’t want police in their house, then they shouldn’t let the police in their house, and they shouldn’t let the police intimidate them into letting them into their house,” ACLU attorney David Rocah said. “What’s troubling with this video is the people seem to be exercising their rights, and the arrest seems to be for them exercising their rights.”


https://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/ba...-his-home-without-a-warrant-that-dont-matter/

http://www.mymassachusettsdefenselawyer.com/what-should-i-do-if-the-police-call-me/

Raw Story makes a note of an anniversary

"Tuesday will mark one year to the day since the death of Freddie Gray following his arrest, an incident that sparked protests within the city."

On April 12, 2015, Freddie Carlos Gray, Jr., a 25-year-old man, was arrested by the Baltimore Police Department for possessing what the police alleged was an illegal switchblade. While being transported in a police van, Gray fell into a coma and was taken to a trauma center.

How did Porter refuse to take responsibility for the death of Freddie Gray ?
He replied the word, "untue."

(Spell check, why do you let such mistakes slip by me ? I do not make a habit out of inventing words.

I meant to post untrue I posted untue. *sigh* Thank you, for the help.)

(Special thanks to my Spellcheck gremlins, for fighting me over each word that I tried to post. Grrrrrrr!)

 

[Boxlicker101]

If the homeowner was on parole or probation, no warrant is needed. Generally speaking, permission is given as a condition of being granted parole or probation.

 

[phrodeau]

Spellcheck let you post, "untue"?

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Bottom line: Juveniles are subject to status offenses. They must attend school, cant drink or smoke, cant make contracts, must have adult supervision. Juveniles cant oppose police or refuse police entry in the home. Police may take juvenikles into custody for 24 hours without probable cause. Cops need no warrants to enter or search any place where a juvenile happened to be.

That is, cops have parental rights till parents show up.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Spellcheck let you post, "untue"?

There is also an error in tense in the ninth line.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Bottom line: Juveniles are subject to status offenses. They must attend school, cant drink or smoke, cant make contracts, must have adult supervision. Juveniles cant oppose police or refuse police entry in the home. Police may take juvenikles into custody for 24 hours without probable cause. Cops need no warrants to enter or search any place where a juvenile happened to be.

That is, cops have parental rights till parents show up.

The young man is apparently 18 years old, which is anther matter altogether.

Baltimore police came under criticism on Monday after footage surfaced of a white officer pulling an 18-year-old black teen out of his doorway on Saturday while apparently disregarding the lack of a search warrant.

The Baltimore Sun reported that authorities opted not to pursue disorderly conduct charges against Tionne Jones, who is seen in the video telling an unidentified black officer he cannot enter the home without a search warrant.

 

[Iceprincess12]

Honesty matters
Food, water and shelter
Safety
Self-respect

Lots more stuff...

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

spellcheck let you post, "untue"?

Capricious little creatures! Fickle, and unpredictable.
They must be related to the entity that causes New England weather to behave in an erratic manner.

 

[PoisonedChalice]

Baltimore could explode at any moment. Honestly I find it very uncomfortable to hear of police just marching into somebody's house, too. But the city is highly unstable. Also as we saw, it is not well placed to respond to any unrest because the cops don't trust the mayor/council and vice versa. The Democrats have done nothing for disenfranchised black youths except make them feel entitled to riot and loot.

Basically it's a mess. I haven't been there for five years but some family friends still live there, and I have absolutely no idea why they stay...

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

Adding fuel to a fire...

When police came to investigate, they took the actions they saw fit to handle a mentally disturbed individual. Instead of taking Williams, who admitted to the police that he was suicidal, to a health facility, they were reportedly seen using force and kicking their knees into his spine.

...was booked and transferred to a Tulsa County jail. Officer Jack Wells slammed him to the ground in order to cuff him.

For the next five days, Williams made numerous efforts to inform other officers, nurses, guards and staff members that he was in critical pain and could not move his legs or anything below his neck for that matter.

(The guards threw food at him.)

The guards wrapped him in trash bags and dragged him to a shower, where he continued to lay face down.

Eventually his limp and lifeless body was dragged to a holding cell with a surveillance camera. In the video, guards can be seen taunting the man and throwing water on him. It wasn’t until he finally died that any significant medical attention was given to him, and by then it was too late.

bet.com

Link problem (you will have to search for the article, yourself. Sorry.)

Special thanks, to the kind person who pointed this out.


This happened in 2011.

Elliott Williams, 37, was arrested on misdemeanor obstruction charges at a Marriott hotel in 2011

He was an Army veteran.

raw story.com

Sorry about the link. It is in there, somewhere.

grrrrr!

19 APR 2016

This guy went almost six days and never got taken to the hospital with a broken neck,” Daniel Smolen, his family’s attorney, told the Daily Beast.

His family has filed a federal lawsuit.

gsgs comment-

Did they take him for a "rough ride" ?

Original correction- at 10:33

 

[Iceprincess12]

Did they take him for a "rough ride" ?

I think this is when he doesn't trim his mustache...ouch!

 

[Real_American12]

...

This is why we have the 2nd Amendment. The boys should have killed the criminals in blue.

Bottom line: Juveniles are subject to status offenses. They must attend school, cant drink or smoke, cant make contracts, must have adult supervision. Juveniles cant oppose police or refuse police entry in the home. Police may take juvenikles into custody for 24 hours without probable cause. Cops need no warrants to enter or search any place where a juvenile happened to be.

That is, cops have parental rights till parents show up.

What a load of absolute horseshit!

 

[NOIRTRASH]

This is why we have the 2nd Amendment. The boys should have killed the criminals in blue.

What a load of absolute horseshit!

OMG I spent a whole career doing it wrong. Where were you when we needed your counsel!

 

[Real_American12]

OMG I spent a whole career doing it wrong. Where were you when we needed your counsel!

Whether that's legal or not is irrelevant, it is unlawful.

If those were my kids, they'd be taught to handle a gun properly and would have killed these cops in self-defense.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

The young man is apparently 18 years old, which is anther matter altogether.

Baltimore police came under criticism on Monday after footage surfaced of a white officer pulling an 18-year-old black teen out of his doorway on Saturday while apparently disregarding the lack of a search warrant.

The Baltimore Sun reported that authorities opted not to pursue disorderly conduct charges against Tionne Jones, who is seen in the video telling an unidentified black officer he cannot enter the home without a search warrant.

Youll die as clueless as you were born.
I was a goddamned state officer and had plenty of battles with Gomer and Barnet over the years. I learned that the best response to a dum cop is to let him run with the ball till he collides with wrong goal post.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Whether that's legal or not is irrelevant, it is unlawful.

If those were my kids, they'd be taught to handle a gun properly and would have killed these cops in self-defense.

You talk shit like ROB.

 

[Real_American12]

You talk shit like ROB.

Who?

Anyway, when cops act like criminals people should treat them like criminals.

Kill them.

 

[phrodeau]

Adding fuel to a fire...

When police came to investigate, they took the actions they saw fit to handle a mentally disturbed individual. Instead of taking Williams, who admitted to the police that he was suicidal, to a health facility, they were reportedly seen using force and kicking their knees into his spine.

...was booked and transferred to a Tulsa County jail. Officer Jack Wells slammed him to the ground in order to cuff him.

For the next five days, Williams made numerous efforts to inform other officers, nurses, guards and staff members that he was in critical pain and could not move his legs or anything below his neck for that matter.

(The guards threw food at him.)

The guards wrapped him in trash bags and dragged him to a shower, where he continued to lay face down.

Eventually his limp and lifeless body was dragged to a holding cell with a surveillance camera. In the video, guards can be seen taunting the man and throwing water on him. It wasn’t until he finally died that any significant medical attention was given to him, and by then it was too late.

This happened. In 2011.

http://www.bet.com/news/national/201...k-veteran.html

Elliott Williams, 37, was arrested on misdemeanor obstruction charges at a Marriott hotel in 2011

He was an Army veteran.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/okla...o-die-in-jail/

19 APR 2016

This guy went almost six days and never got taken to the hospital with a broken neck,” Daniel Smolen, his family’s attorney, told the Daily Beast.

His family has filed a federal lawsuit.

gsgs comment-

Did they take him for a "rough ride" ?

Your links need fixing.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Your links need fixing.

Those rotten cops belong in prison themselves, along with the other jail workers who contributed to this guy's death.

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

Freddie Gray case: Judge grants motion to force second officer to testify in two upcoming trials

April 20, 2016

Baltimore judge on Wednesday ordered Officer Garrett E. Miller to testify at the trials of two fellow police officers charged in the arrest and death of Freddie Gray.

In a brief hearing, Circuit Judge Barry G. Williams granted prosecutors' motion to compel Miller to testify at the trials of Officer Edward M. Nero, which is scheduled to begin May 10, 2016


Williams granted a motion to compel the testimony of Officer William G. Porter at two other trials, prompting his attorneys to file a challenge to a higher court. But Williams denied prosecutors' request to call Porter at the three other cases, saying it appeared to be a ploy.

The state's highest court ruled March 8 that Porter must testify in the cases, though it has yet to issue its full written opinion.

In granting the state's motion to compel Miller to the stand, Williams cited the high court's ruling in the Porter case.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...-pretrial-motions-hearing-20160420-story.html


A Year After Freddie Gray Died, Baltimore Activist Says City Hasn't Changed Much


Here & Now’s Jeremy Hobson takes a look at what has and hasn’t changed in Baltimore with community activist J.C. Faulk.

J.C. Faulk, community activist and founder of the nonprofit An End to Ignorance.


What do you think has changed in the last year?

“What has not changed is on the ground. This morning, I looked up The Baltimore Sun. They say that, right now, to this point in the year, 69 people have already died from homicide and 61 of them died from bullet wounds, so we’re right on track.

Last year, 344 people died in Baltimore. That has not changed. The brutality from police in Baltimore has really not changed. A block and a half away from my house, two weeks ago, two police officers shot 56 shots at two men, killing them and the men never shot at them. So there’s something going on in the city right now, even though all of the stuff happened around Freddie Gray.

We have a new state’s attorney in office, Marilyn Mosby, who has sorely been a disappointment to the people on the ground in Baltimore. She has not done what we expected her to do when she walked in.

However, what’s changing is the people are tired and we have not stopped. The people are still rallying, still doing the things that they do and, this year, there’s going to be a huge turnover in terms of political leadership in this city. Half of the city council members decided not to run or won’t be running, so we’re going to have at least half of the city council replaced.

Another thing that’s happened in the state of Maryland, felon voting laws have changed so now anyone who has finished their sentence and they’re out of prison and they’ve done all of their time, they can now vote. That’s tens of thousands new voters who can vote this year and they can decide many of these elections.”

http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2016/04/19/one-year-after-freddie-gray

If another development causes anger, would you advise people to react differently?

"That one CVS is not more important than Freddie Gray. I see that you want to talk about the people and their response. What I want to talk about is the system and its response and the brutality towards people who look like me, who act like me. "

"If people step up and throw bottles or burn down a CVS, which they did last year, yes that’s something to be concerned about. But I’m more concerned about why they responded that way in the first place."

"What do you expect a man to do if he’s down on the ground and he’s got a knife at his throat and a boot on his head? He’s yelling, ‘Let me go!’ and then he dies and then we want to talk about them throwing bottles and setting fires. Come on. There’s people dying here.”


- J.C. Faulk.