Lion, Witch & Wardrobe.

[GoldenMaia]

So, in the story-- those 'children' went through the wardrobe and came back to their bodies after living a lifetime in this fantasy world. If you take those people(adults in kids bodies) and have an erotica story with them, are they still considered children? Is it the mental age or the physical age (or both), that the site and readers dislike? Could they have relations together but not with 'real adults'? Or would it need to be sexual scenes with them as adults through the wardrobe? (Could they even think about activities they did beyond the wardrobe while in their younger bodies?)

Or like the Anne Rice books, she has the kid-vampire who is having sex with adults but she is hundreds of years old. Is this allowed or does it still fall under; 'looks like a kid, GTFO!'.

I am not trying to split hairs, but I have a plot bunny idea that I'd like to use without breaking the rules and squicking people out.

 

[sr71plt]

So, in the story-- those 'children' went through the wardrobe and came back to their bodies after living a lifetime in this fantasy world. If you take those people(adults in kids bodies) and have an erotica story with them, are they still considered children? Is it the mental age or the physical age (or both), that the site and readers dislike? Could they have relations together but not with 'real adults'? Or would it need to be sexual scenes with them as adults through the wardrobe? (Could they even think about activities they did beyond the wardrobe while in their younger bodies?)

Or like the Anne Rice books, she has the kid-vampire who is having sex with adults but she is hundreds of years old. Is this allowed or does it still fall under; 'looks like a kid, GTFO!'.

I am not trying to split hairs, but I have a plot bunny idea that I'd like to use without breaking the rules and squicking people out.

Yes, that's underage here. Submit it to some other Web site. It has nothing to do with what readers would like or not.

 

[oggbashan]

If the character looks like a child, that's not allowable.

 

[Hypoxia]

We can put children's minds in adult bodies, like a kid going comatose at 13 and awakening at 18. We can NOT put adults' minds in child's bodies. An immortal hit by magic millennia ago with their body stuck at age eleven is still a child for LIT.

 

[lovecraft68]

Anne Rice loved her underage and homosexual vampires. She had to do something to make up for the lack of any type of 'bad' in any of them. Those whiny bastards were the foreshadowing of Twilight's sparky vamps

 

[Bramblethorn]

Anne Rice loved her underage and homosexual vampires. She had to do something to make up for the lack of any type of 'bad' in any of them. Those whiny bastards were the foreshadowing of Twilight's sparky vamps

Gay vampires were around in fiction before Dracula. But I agree about the whining. "Oh no, I get to be young and beautiful forever, what could be worse?"

 

[Bramblethorn]

So, in the story-- those 'children' went through the wardrobe and came back to their bodies after living a lifetime in this fantasy world. If you take those people(adults in kids bodies) and have an erotica story with them, are they still considered children? Is it the mental age or the physical age (or both), that the site and readers dislike? Could they have relations together but not with 'real adults'? Or would it need to be sexual scenes with them as adults through the wardrobe? (Could they even think about activities they did beyond the wardrobe while in their younger bodies?)

Or like the Anne Rice books, she has the kid-vampire who is having sex with adults but she is hundreds of years old. Is this allowed or does it still fall under; 'looks like a kid, GTFO!'.

I am not trying to split hairs, but I have a plot bunny idea that I'd like to use without breaking the rules and squicking people out.

You'd want to PM Laurel for sure, but I think child-shaped people having sex would be out. With the Narnia stories in particular, I'm pretty sure that the kids are established as becoming children again - they do remember their time in Narnia, but they're not really "adults in children's bodies". Re. Anne Rice, I seem to recall that Claudia keeps a child's mind-set, which would be another reason to steer clear.

Re. Narnia, Ursula Vernon's short story "Elegant and Fine" may be relevant to your interests.

 

[HandsInTheDark]

So, in the story-- those 'children' went through the wardrobe and came back to their bodies after living a lifetime in this fantasy world. If you take those people(adults in kids bodies) and have an erotica story with them,

... then I have to shoot you. For pity's sake leave Narnia alone. In one of my stories I made bitter fun of people who'd actually rewrite Narnia in a sexual way. I thought it was reasonably unthinkable for anyone to do this in the present, and hence a good marker for how far the (future) society in my story had fallen. I'd rather not see such concrete proof that we're already there, thanks.

Luckily Laurel will not allow it. If she does, I'll try to be the first to report it.

But to answer your question, the children, once returned from Narnia, remembered their adventures, though Susan was eventually able to convince herself they were imaginary.

 

[Bramblethorn]

... then I have to shoot you. For pity's sake leave Narnia alone. In one of my stories I made bitter fun of people who'd actually rewrite Narnia in a sexual way. I thought it was reasonably unthinkable for anyone to do this in the present, and hence a good marker for how far the (future) society in my story had fallen. I'd rather not see such concrete proof that we're already there, thanks.

It happened long before you or I joined Literotica. Neil Gaiman had a short story in that territory back in 2004, and I doubt he was the first.

Lewis borrowed extensively from Greek myth, including elements like satyrs that have strong sexual connotations; granted, he sanitised it heavily, but perhaps not a huge surprise that some readers wanted to undo that. And many were uncomfortable with the way he dealt with Susan; both the Gaiman story and the Vernon one I linked to are pushing back against that, and part of that was to defend the idea that it's okay for a young woman to grow up.

 

[Hypoxia]

An approach Laurel should accept would be like Alan Moore's Lost Girls bringing together Alice (in Wonderland), Wendy (Peter Pan), and Dorothy (Oz) as older women explicitly recounting their sexual lives. Cast the Narnia characters (if you must!) at a reunion in their 60s, looking back at post-18 fuckfests, and maybe going in for some senior sex. Avoid underage. It won't fly here.

 

[Giggolo_Joe]

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[Giggolo_Joe]

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[HandsInTheDark]

It happened long before you or I joined Literotica. Neil Gaiman had a short story in that territory back in 2004, and I doubt he was the first.

Lewis borrowed extensively from Greek myth, including elements like satyrs that have strong sexual connotations; granted, he sanitised it heavily, but perhaps not a huge surprise that some readers wanted to undo that. And many were uncomfortable with the way he dealt with Susan; both the Gaiman story and the Vernon one I linked to are pushing back against that, and part of that was to defend the idea that it's okay for a young woman to grow up.

Lewis had no problem with anyone growing up. Read "Until We Have Faces". But Narnia was written for and dedicated to a child (the real life Lucy), and adult topics were filtered. Not entirely neglected - Susan's courtship in Calormene is the basis of one entire story.

But people have tried to reinterpret Narnia through the lens of feminism and political correctness, and the result is complete nonsense. Lewis wrote it 60+ years ago, and many of the cultural ideas he borrowed from came from his childhood - giving us a worldview from about 100 years ago today, barely into the Edwardian era. His other sources were mythology and a religion 2,000 years old. Modernism gets him wrong, and tries to make Susan into something she simply isn't.

The books themselves were filled with hints that Susan was constantly on the edge of grace and likely to fall; and in the last book my reaction was "Oh... she didn't make it. That's sad." But it wasn't unexpected and despite the fact that Lucy accused her of being distracted by boys and lipstick, that was just another symptom, and at all the point. Of course the sentence was there because Lewis was a professor and had seen promising students go off the rails that way. But Susan was always the one listening to doubt and fear and askew in her thinking ("Always the practical one" - from Lewis that is not a compliment); her fall had nothing to do with sex and everything to do with never once wanting to encounter Aslan alone.

I'd forgotten that Gaiman had Aslan and the White Witch get it on. The thought is so absurd (and reflects Gaiman's own disconnect from any of the meanings of Narnia) that it just didn't stick. Some people, it seems, just can't read children's stories.

 

[lovecraft68]

Gay vampires were around in fiction before Dracula. But I agree about the whining. "Oh no, I get to be young and beautiful forever, what could be worse?"

I swear Lestat wept more than Jesus

Ever read Lumley's Necroscope books? He created the most bad ass evil vampires ever, fuckers even had BDSM style sex, the "Wamphyrie." I'd love to see a couple of them run into Rice's Pantheon of cry babies.

 

[TxRad]

GoldenMaia

Three times Avast has flagged your AV as containing Malware.

 

[PervOtaku]

The general rule of thumb that seems to hold true is, if you would need an underage actress to play her in a live action movie, it's a no-go.

The equivalent rule for bestiality seems to be that if it's an animal that you could go out and find in the real world, it's a no-go.

 

[oggbashan]

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The equivalent rule for bestiality seems to be that if it's an animal that you could go out and find in the real world, it's a no-go.

Which is why my story The Giant Squid was very close to being over the limit.

There are real Giant Squid, but they rarely survive above 300 metres depth of water, so my Giant Squid Arnold was mythical, because a Giant Squid living in a tank at sea level is impossible. My story was based on "Archie".

From Wikipedia:

In 2004, another giant squid, later named "Archie", was caught off the coast of the Falkland Islands by a fishing trawler. It was 8.62 m (28.3 ft) long and was sent to the Natural History Museum in London to be studied and preserved. It was put on display on 1 March 2006 at the Darwin Centre. The find of such a large, complete specimen is very rare, as most specimens are in a poor condition, having washed up dead on beaches or been retrieved from the stomachs of dead sperm whales.

 

[GoldenMaia]

GoldenMaia

Three times Avast has flagged your AV as containing Malware.

What does 'AV' refer to so I can check? Avast could be giving a false positive but I'd like to check on my end.

 

[oggbashan]

What does 'AV' refer to so I can check? Avast could be giving a false positive but I'd like to check on my end.

The picture to the left below your name. That is your AV = avatar.

 

[TxRad]

What does 'AV' refer to so I can check? Avast could be giving a false positive but I'd like to check on my end.

It is not showing the notice now. It may well have been a false positive but better safe than sorry.

 

[GoldenMaia]

The picture to the left below your name. That is your AV = avatar.

Ah, thank you.

It was a .png image. I changed it to .jpg. *shrugs* Hope that helps. (?)

 

[Giggolo_Joe]

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[Hypoxia]

Which is why my story The Giant Squid was very close to being over the limit.

Was it a talking squid? Or at least telepathic? My theology has a place for telepathic radioactive giant squids as mind-controllers. Don't know if I'd want sex with one, though.

My fix on that: In the BUNNY SUIT thread I suggested a tentacle monster stuffed in a Harvey-size full rabbit costume, sucker-fucking one or more happy humans. That's probably unlikely enough to be fantasy.

But I digress. LIT authors can place underage minds in over-18 bodies. Can (and should) we place animal minds in over-18 human bodies? Or human minds in mute animal bodies? I might *say* that Daddy's consciousness inhabits Fido's body but unless Fido talks (with others listening) it's only dog-boinking. And has Puss-Puss's mind taken over Sally's brain or is Sally merely an insane cat lady?

 

[oggbashan]

Was it a talking squid? Or at least telepathic? My theology has a place for telepathic radioactive giant squids as mind-controllers. Don't know if I'd want sex with one, though.

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No. The Giant Squid didn't talk. He behaved like a smaller squid would do but in sexual interaction with the heroine. Arnold the Giant Squid had other ideas about consummation.

https://www.literotica.com/s/the-giant-squid

 

[Bramblethorn]

Lewis had no problem with anyone growing up. Read "Until We Have Faces".

Er... not a Narnia book, and I doubt many of those writing their own take on Narnia would've read that one first, so not tremendously relevant to how people might react to Narnia. Books and series have to stand on their own merits, not on the merits of something the author wrote later for a different audience.

But people have tried to reinterpret Narnia through the lens of feminism and political correctness, and the result is complete nonsense.

Lewis was a human being, and as such his work had failings. It's just as legitimate to discuss those failings as it is to discuss the scientific limitations of Aristotle or Newton, and modern authors have just as much right to reinterpret Narnia through their own lens as Lewis had to reinterpret Greek and Roman myths through his didactic-Christian lens.

Lewis wrote it 60+ years ago, and many of the cultural ideas he borrowed from came from his childhood - giving us a worldview from about 100 years ago today, barely into the Edwardian era.

Female suffrage arrived in New Zealand and South Australia before Lewis was even born, and it reached the UK when he was twenty. Nancy Wake and her ilk were killing German soldiers with their bare hands years before Lewis wrote that "battles are ugly when girls fight". So I don't have a lot of sympathy for the idea that Lewis was too early to be aware of feminist ideas.

Indeed, the beginning of "The Silver Chair" makes it pretty clear that it wasn't that Lewis was unaware of such modern ideas as allowing a woman to run a school, but rather that he'd encountered them and didn't approve.

I'd forgotten that Gaiman had Aslan and the White Witch get it on. The thought is so absurd (and reflects Gaiman's own disconnect from any of the meanings of Narnia) that it just didn't stick. Some people, it seems, just can't read children's stories.

Of course you're entirely at liberty to dislike Gaiman's work, his interpretations of Lewis, or indeed his haircut, but it seems a bit absurd to direct the "can't read children's stories" accusation at a man who's written a dozen successful children's stories and won two of the biggest awards in children's lit.

Perhaps consider the possibility that he did read them, and just didn't take the same view of them that you did. It does happen.