Punish Women For Having Abortions?

[RobDownSouth]

The Donald declared today that his position of the day was that women should face punishment for having an abortion. This position, like all Trump positions, is subject to denial and/or about face at a later date.

What say you?
(poll to follow)

 

[BotanyBoy]

The Donald declared today that his position of the day was that women should face punishment for having an abortion. This position, like all Trump positions, is subject to denial and/or about face at a later date.

What say you?
(poll to follow)

I say you should put that quote into some context.

Donald Trump said Wednesday that women who undergo abortions should face “some form of punishment” if the procedure were outlawed.

http://ktla.com/2016/03/30/women-wh...if-procedures-are-outlawed-donald-trump-says/


When continually pressed for what the answer is regarding punishing women who would break any theoretical ban, Trump said the "answer is that there has to be some form of punishment, yeah."

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/30/trump-advocates-abortion-ban-some-form-of-punishment-for-women.html






OMG a POTUS nominee saying he would enforce laws passed by congress and upheld by the SCOTUS.

What a fucking scandal right Rob?




When you outlaw things you have punishments for breaking that law, that's how the fuck things have ALWAYS worked. If no punishment , it's not outlawed/illegal now is it?

Nice attempt at situational outrage over a non issue though!! I wonder if it's the democrats or the rethuglicans pushing this outrage, it's getting harder and harder to tell the difference between the two every day.

 

[Sean Renaud]

You don't talk about punishments for things you believe should be legal. I mean sure we could have a president stand up and say he would agree with some punishment for eating chocolate if that were against the law or that he would uphold Sharia Law if Congress passed it. . .

Oh wait if a president stood and said that he'd be lucky not to get shot.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You don't talk about punishments for things you believe should be legal.

You do when the DNC owned pundit is asking you about a hypothetical situation.

I mean sure we could have a president stand up and say he would agree with some punishment for eating chocolate if that were against the law or that he would uphold Sharia Law if Congress passed it. . .

Oh wait if a president stood and said that he'd be lucky not to get shot.

That doesn't make it any less the bullshit liburhul spin that this is.

And of all the things Trump has done/said the left could run and beat him to death at the same time with currently, this is the bullshit they try to pull?


God damn it's making me want to go vote for the mother fucker just to spite these kinds of dip shits because CLINTON has a FAR more RW anti abortion pro life record than Trump but we don't hear Mathews and the rest of the Clinton teet suckers flipping fuckin shit about her loathing of womens rights do we? Nope...golden girl can do NO WRONG!!!

 

[sr71plt]

The thing with Trump is that he steps on his crank with an inane comment about twice a day--and then he pretends he didn't say it or he tries to give it another slant in a followup. This is just the sort of clown we don't need as president. (Still, I'd take him before I'd want to see Cruz in the office.)

 

[Real_American11]

We punish women for putting newborns in microwave ovens, freezers, toilets, and dumpsters...

Why should we tolerate murder?

If I walked up to a pregnant woman and stabbed her several times, causing her unborn child to die wouldn't I be charged with murder?

Would that woman and her husband feel the loss of a child? Why should we allow women to kill their children? Why should we allow the fathers to be removed from the decision making process? Why are minors allowed to get abortions without parental consent, but that same minor couldn't get a tattoo, go on a class trip, or enter an "R" rated movie without their parent.

Is seeing an "R" rated movie a bigger deal than getting an abortion?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Is seeing an "R" rated movie a bigger deal than getting an abortion?

Only for conservatives.

I just never see libs freaking over ratings and protecting the kids from anything but leave it ta beaver/I love Lucy.

 

[Rachel_X]

Having a foetus sucked out is no different to having a tumour or some other growth removed.
If you don't want something in/on your body, you can have it removed. Doesn't matter what that is.
Until the child is born, it's technically a parasite anyway, feeding off the mother.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Point is for once Trump didn't actually say anything outrageous, despite the low attention to detail koolaid drinkers out there attempt to spin otherwise.

 

[phrodeau]

Donald Trump should be punished for incitement.

 

[Real_American11]

I just never see libs freaking over ratings and protecting the kids from anything but leave it ta beaver/I love Lucy.

Really? It's always an SJW bitching about female asses and titties in video games, and how it's harmful to the itsy bitsy children...

Having a foetus sucked out is no different to having a tumour or some other growth removed.
If you don't want something in/on your body, you can have it removed. Doesn't matter what that is.
Until the child is born, it's technically a parasite anyway, feeding off the mother.

You are an insane animal...

Do tumors develop into fully functional human beings? Why does it stop being "parasite" when it's born? Isn't it still solely depending on it's mother for food, cleaning, protection? Why can't the mother smash its head against the wall after getting tired of caring for it? Maybe a week after bringing it home from the hospital? Maybe it won't stop crying, so she presses a pillow down over it's face or hold it under water in the tub...

Why not, it's just a "parasite" after all... you sick disgusting piece of shit!

Donald Trump should be punished for incitement.

Against whom? Hypothetical woman committing future crimes? He's not inciting anything against anyone, you moron.

 

[Rachel_X]

You are an insane animal...

Do tumors develop into fully functional human beings? Why does it stop being "parasite" when it's born? Isn't it still solely depending on it's mother for food, cleaning, protection? Why can't the mother smash its head against the wall after getting tired of caring for it? Maybe a week after bringing it home from the hospital? Maybe it won't stop crying, so she presses a pillow down over it's face or hold it under water in the tub...

Why not, it's just a "parasite" after all... you sick disgusting piece of shit!

It's still just a collection of unthinking cells that gets cut out.
It stops being a parasite when it's born because it's no longer feeding off the host/mother. At that point it's more like a dog that slowly learns to talk.
Killing an actual baby is different because it's a sentient life form. A foetus isn't because it has fewer cells and less brain activity than your foot.

I also love how I'm the sick one when you're the one talking about smashing a babies head against a wall.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Really? It's always an SJW bitching about female asses and titties in video games, and how it's harmful to the itsy bitsy children...

Yes really.

They generally talk about things so people can make informed choices.

They don't want everything fun including all drugs, sex and rock n' roll banned because Jesus hates whores n' hippies.

The differences between RW and LW are deceptively subtle like that but they are there.

 

[RUlookingup]

Yes really.

They talk about things they don't want everything fun including all drugs, sex and rock n' roll banned because Jesus hates whores n' hippies.

The differences between RW and LW are deceptively subtle like that but they are there.

Chris Matthews and his.lemmings attack!

 

[Rachel_X]

Yes really.

They talk about things they don't want everything fun including all drugs, sex and rock n' roll banned because Jesus hates whores n' hippies.

The differences between RW and LW are deceptively subtle like that but they are there.

I love how people say Jesus hates whores and hippies.
He was supposedly a long haired guy with a scraggy beard that preached love and peace while hanging around with a prostitute.
Most hardcore conservatives in America wouldn't give him the time of day if he was around now.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I love how people say Jesus hates whores and hippies.
He was supposedly a long haired guy with a scraggy beard that preached love and peace while hanging around with a prostitute.
Most hardcore conservatives in America wouldn't give him the time of day if he was around now.

Oh I know....Could you imagine how they would treat that Islamofascist supporting, drug trafficking commie Reagan? OMG!

 

[BoyNextDoor]

I love how people say Jesus hates whores and hippies.
He was supposedly a long haired guy with a scraggy beard that preached love and peace while hanging around with a prostitute.
Most hardcore conservatives in America wouldn't give him the time of day if he was around now.

Ghandi said it best "Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

 

[RobDownSouth]

I say you should put that quote into some context.

Donald Trump said Wednesday that women who undergo abortions should face “some form of punishment” if the procedure were outlawed.

http://ktla.com/2016/03/30/women-wh...if-procedures-are-outlawed-donald-trump-says/


When continually pressed for what the answer is regarding punishing women who would break any theoretical ban, Trump said the "answer is that there has to be some form of punishment, yeah."

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/30/trump-advocates-abortion-ban-some-form-of-punishment-for-women.html

OMG a POTUS nominee saying he would enforce laws passed by congress and upheld by the SCOTUS.

What a fucking scandal right Rob?

When you outlaw things you have punishments for breaking that law, that's how the fuck things have ALWAYS worked. If no punishment , it's not outlawed/illegal now is it?

Nice attempt at situational outrage over a non issue though!! I wonder if it's the democrats or the rethuglicans pushing this outrage, it's getting harder and harder to tell the difference between the two every day.

Nice rant!

Let's review:
Abortion has been deemed Constitutional by the US Supreme Court since 1973 in Roe v. Wade.

Therefore, Congress can pass all the anti-abortion laws they want but the Supremes have consistently held that abortion in and of itself is LEGAL and CONSTITUTIONAL. This has been especially true for first-trimester abortions, which make up 88 percent of all abortions.

Yet Trump seems to want to go on record as wanting to punish sluts regardless.

And you're popping your weekly aneurysm.
See if you can come up with a coherent argument next time.

 

[sr71plt]

Should we have some sort of contest on whose head is going to explode first: the 11th Real American or BotanyBoy?

Are the 10 more real Americans going to show up soon?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Do tumors develop into fully functional human beings? Why does it stop being "parasite" when it's born? Isn't it still solely depending on it's mother for food, cleaning, protection? Why can't the mother smash its head against the wall after getting tired of caring for it? Maybe a week after bringing it home from the hospital? Maybe it won't stop crying, so she presses a pillow down over it's face or hold it under water in the tub...

Why not, it's just a "parasite" after all... you sick disgusting piece of shit!

Ah, business is about to pick up!

Welcome to Lit! You seem to have a whiff of pro-birther about you (and seemed mightily confused on the difference between "physical independence" and "social indepence"!)...maybe you are man (or woman) enough to take the Literotica Amicus Memorial Abortion Morality Challenge!

There are actually six separate arguments that comprise the "Is Abortion Moral" debate:

1. Is it alive?
2. Is it human?
3. Is it a person?
4. Is it physically independent?
5. Does it have human rights?
6. Is abortion murder?

Let's see if we can find some common ground here. I'll tell you my position.

1. Is it alive? My answer is yes.

2. Is it human? Again, I'll answer yes.

3. Is it a person? No, it's a "potential person", which is both separate and distinct from a "person", inasmuch as an acorn is distinct from an oak tree.

4. Is it physically independent? Absolutely not. A fetus is dependent upon another human being for nutrients and oxygen. It's worth noting that many of the anti-abortion folks raise the false equivalency that because a newborn infant is also dependent upon another for nutrients and oxygen, a fetus should be considered the functional equivalent of a newborn. This shows an inability to distinguish between the concepts of "physical independence" and "social independence". Social independence is where a child depends on society to feed, clothe and nuture him/her. Physical independence, on the other hand, is when something depends on the physical body of another for its continued existence. This seems to be a point you seem unable or unwilling to grasp.

5. Does it have human rights? A qualified yes. A human fetus has rights to the extent that the do not infringe upon the rights of another, in this case the woman carrying the fetus. You cannot have two entities with equal rights occupying one body, because one will automatically have veto power over the other, and by definition this precludes "equal rights".

6. Is abortion murder? No. It's only murder when it's an independent person. Infants, even premature infants, are considered "independent" of their mother and are accorded full human rights.

Your turn!

 

[BotanyBoy]

Yet Trump seems to want to go on record as wanting to punish sluts regardless.

You obviously have a reading and hearing problem them because it was not regardless it was under a hypothetical situation that a law banning abortion were to pass constitutional muster.

Context....it matters.....no amount of your bullshitting can change that nor will it reduce the bullshit content of what you're trying to push.

Sorry!

I'm a Sanders fan but this is just isn't news, it's liburhulz trying to do situational outrage over something that's really nothing and failing horribly to sell me on it.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Should we have some sort of contest on whose head is going to explode first: the 11th Real American or BotanyBoy?

Are the 10 more real Americans going to show up soon?

That's not funny. It's common knowledge that BotanyBoy left half of his brain, both of his testicles and all of his personal honor on a bloodstained desert in Iraq.

 

[Real_American11]

It's still just a collection of unthinking cells that gets cut out.
It stops being a parasite when it's born because it's no longer feeding off the host/mother. At that point it's more like a dog that slowly learns to talk.
Killing an actual baby is different because it's a sentient life form. A foetus isn't because it has fewer cells and less brain activity than your foot.

So it's fine if the mother leaves the infant in it's crib and doesn't feed it? After all it's no longer dependent on the mother, why doesn't he get off his lazy ass and order a pizza, right?

And what do you consider "sentient" a baby is barely aware of anything much less self-aware, it can't even form long term memories until it's around 36 months old. What's the difference between taking a baby one month before birth or one month after birth and tossing it in a blender?

I also love how I'm the sick one when you're the one talking about smashing a babies head against a wall.

No, you're just the one talking about using a vacuum to suck out an unborn fetus.

YThey don't want everything fun including all drugs, sex and rock n' roll banned because Jesus hates whores n' hippies.

Both the Left and Right argue for censorship based on their own ideological beliefs.

 

[BotanyBoy]

That's not funny. It's common knowledge that BotanyBoy left half of his brain, both of his testicles and all of his personal honor on a bloodstained desert in Iraq.

Rob wants a Vetteman replacement so badly he's point blank making shit up in a sad attempt.

Awwww.....sorry your boy toy is gone Rob.

 

[Rachel_X]

No, you're just the one talking about using a vacuum to suck out an unborn fetus.

Slurp slurp wooosh!
Job's a goodun!