Germany struggles with remnants of the Reich

[mark_j]

An interesting article on how Germany is dealing with this sort of thing..Which brings up an important question.

How would you deal with the darker past of a country's history?

The country debates preserving Hitler's rallying grounds in Nuremberg and releasing an edition of 'Mein Kampf.' How do nations deal with memorials of a disowned past?

Christian Science Monitor

By Sara Miller Llana
February 28, 2016 12:13 PM

It doesn’t look like much. In fact, it’s easy to mistake the expansive parade grounds as a construction site, with all the fencing and warning signs, until you see the flashes from people taking pictures at the lectern. For it is here, at Zeppelin Field, where Adolf Hitler beguiled the masses in Nazi Party rallies held throughout the 1930s in this Bavarian city.

Nuremberg’s rallies, immortalized by Leni Riefenstahl in her 1935 film “Triumph of the Will,” have seared this city in the public’s consciousness as National Socialism’s ideological heart. While the swastika atop the grandstand of Zeppelin Field was famously blown up by the US Army in 1945, today these grounds stand as the best physical proof of Hitler’s ambitions for a thousand-year Third Reich.

For decades, most in this city preferred that these buildings simply disintegrate into the dustbin of history. And it shows. Walking along the grandstand, the length of three football fields, visitors are warned in German and English: “Enter at your own risk.” The stands are chipped and decrepit. Chain-link fences encircle much of the arena. Graffiti mars the podium where Hitler stood in his jackboots, spewing fiery rhetoric and pumping the air with his fist.

Now the city is at a critical juncture as it debates the future of the Nazi Party rally grounds, raising questions as practical as they are philosophical. Nuremberg is in the midst of a pilot project to determine the final cost of refurbishing Zeppelin Field, the details of which will be made public by the middle of this year.

The city says that if nothing is done, the site will one day be too dangerous to visit. Ultimately, some historians argue, this gives Nazi architect Albert Speer exactly what he wanted: a mythical ruin. Others believe that old Nazi architecture merits not a single cent from the public purse. In their view, seeing it crumble is the boldest message that Germany could convey.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Visited Zeppelinfield to see Bob Dylan and Eric Clapton, back in the day.
http://1000plastinok.net/covers/crop/12955.jpg

That place was huge.

 

[Vagina_Dentata]

Ahhh...zee good old days. Invading countries, gassing Jews, spiffie unis.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Ahhh...zee good old days. Invading countries, gassing Jews, spiffie unis.

Congrats! You won a free membership to my DUM FUCKS List. Plus an Ellen Degenerate/Afrodizzyak make-over for old girls.

 

[neci]

Is it nazi cocaine?

 

[neci]

Peter_Carsten is a little bitch.

 

[Vagina_Dentata]

Congrats! You won a free membership to my DUM FUCKS List. Plus an Ellen Degenerate/Afrodizzyak make-over for old girls.

Couldn't I just get a t-shirt?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/f9/e3/93/f9e3931f45cd41ab3a21feed7b1c3953.jpg

 

[phrodeau]

You mean they aren't flying Nazi flags at their statehouses or printing them on their license plates?

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Couldn't I just get a t-shirt?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/f9/e3/93/f9e3931f45cd41ab3a21feed7b1c3953.jpg

How about an Ellen Degenerate/Megyn Kelly/Afrodizzyack old dyke hair cut?

 

[ishtat]

The Berlin wall fell in 1989 - 30 years ago.

The 2nd World War ended in 1945 - 70 years ago.

No one in Germany under 30 can remember even the more recent event. The next generation of German leaders will not wallow in guilt for a previous generations actions. I expect the next generation of Germans will perceive themselves - rightly, as the leaders of Europe and will let the rest of Europe, especially France and Russia know where they stand.

Could be interesting. But the next generation won't give a rat's ass about an old stadium.

 

[Hypoxia]

My uncle's army unit was involved in liberating German death camps. He has told our family what he saw. We know holocaust deniers are lying fucktards. We keep the memories alive. We won't forget.

When will Germany put the Reich aside? USA is still struggling with the War of Southern Treason -- that's 80 years (four generations) older than the Reich's downfall, 150 years (a century and a half) ago now. USA may take another century or more to heal, if ever.

And supporters of southern treason don't wallow in guilt. They swim in hatred and resentment and entitlement. They lost that war in the short run but they're prevailing still in the hearts of many.

Europe will see neo-Nazi and neo-Stalinist movements for generations more.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

My uncle's army unit was involved in liberating German death camps. He has told our family what he saw. We know holocaust deniers are lying fucktards. We keep the memories alive. We won't forget.

When will Germany put the Reich aside? USA is still struggling with the War of Southern Treason -- that's 80 years (four generations) older than the Reich's downfall, 150 years (a century and a half) ago now. USA may take another century or more to heal, if ever.

And supporters of southern treason don't wallow in guilt. They swim in hatred and resentment and entitlement. They lost that war in the short run but they're prevailing still in the hearts of many.

Europe will see neo-Nazi and neo-Stalinist movements for generations more.

I have 8 Confederate ancestors. One was a general officer. I have like 50 Revolutionary War ancestors.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The Berlin wall fell in 1989 - 30 years ago.

The 2nd World War ended in 1945 - 70 years ago.

No one in Germany under 30 can remember even the more recent event. The next generation of German leaders will not wallow in guilt for a previous generations actions. I expect the next generation of Germans will perceive themselves - rightly, as the leaders of Europe and will let the rest of Europe, especially France and Russia know where they stand.

Could be interesting. But the next generation won't give a rat's ass about an old stadium.

We are.

Once it becomes an industry, there is no end...

 

[BigSpoon1984]

Europe will see neo-Nazi and neo-Stalinist movements for generations more.

This is certainly true, and is happening already. There's been several marches/protests by the far right in the North of England over the last year. Proud to say that there's always several times as many anti-fascists out against them though.

 

[someoneyouknow]

The Berlin wall fell in 1989 - 30 years ago.

The 2nd World War ended in 1945 - 70 years ago.

No one in Germany under 30 can remember even the more recent event.

I can assure you, the Jews never let the Germans forget. Israel recently had another submarine delivered from Germany, paid for out of German funds, and it continues to get other freebies though, fortunately, those 30-somethings are getting resentful at having to pay for something they had no hand in.

Also, from a direct source I was told a guy in Germany who travels the world for his job was told by someone he had known for a very long time that he was responsible for the past. The guy looked at this other person and told him, "I wasn't even born then!"

It will be a while before Germany figures out how to accept and move on from its past though with any luck it won't be too long. Shit happens and you can't change it. There are numerous other countries around the world who have done similar things. Hello, Italy? (Rome)

 

[miles]

And supporters of southern treason don't wallow in guilt. They swim in hatred and resentment and entitlement. They lost that war in the short run but they're prevailing still in the hearts of many.

"Many?"

I've lived in the South most of my life. Your statement is absurd.

 

[RobDownSouth]

"Many?"

I've lived in the South most of my life. Your statement is absurd.

I've lived in the South most of my life. Her statement isn't absurd, unlike your statement. You're filtering it through your comfy suburban Atlanta existence.

 

[Lancecastor]

How would you deal with the darker past of a country's history?

Make it all mandatory reading for high school students.

That way, nobody will ever read or learn about it.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Hitler had two distinct attitudes about Jews. One was benign, one was lethal.

If Hitler knew the Jew and benefited from a good deed done by the Jew, or the Jew won an Iron Cross in the 1st World War, the Jew was safe and often aided by Hitler. Hitler was loyal to his friends and war heroes. He actually worked with the Zionists to create Israel and attempt to create a Jewish nation in Southern Africa. Which the Brits opposed and resisted. But he was no Jewish friend or champion. He wanted them outta Germany one way or another.

If the Jew was an immigrant from Russia or a known Communist, God couldn't save them. After World War 1 many Jews fled to Germany from Poland and the USSR. Many Jews came to America and Hollywood from Russia, too.

 

[about_average]

An interesting survey.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/04/southern-voters-glad-north-won-civil-war.html

23% of georgia voters wish the south and won the war.

 

[richard_daily]

We are.

Once it becomes an industry, there is no end...

And under capitalism, it's a sure thing it will become an industry.

 

[richard_daily]

My uncle's army unit was involved in liberating German death camps. He has told our family what he saw. We know holocaust deniers are lying fucktards. We keep the memories alive. We won't forget.

When will Germany put the Reich aside? USA is still struggling with the War of Southern Treason -- that's 80 years (four generations) older than the Reich's downfall, 150 years (a century and a half) ago now. USA may take another century or more to heal, if ever.

And supporters of southern treason don't wallow in guilt. They swim in hatred and resentment and entitlement. They lost that war in the short run but they're prevailing still in the hearts of many.

Europe will see neo-Nazi and neo-Stalinist movements for generations more.

The republican party is helping neo-nazi and fascist ideology stay alive here in the US as well.

 

[Hypoxia]

The republican party is helping neo-nazi and fascist ideology stay alive here in the US as well.

It's the same buggy mindset, fed on a diet of hate, fear, greed, lies, the usual bullshit. Reactionaries are averse to reality, which has a liberal bias. The propaganda bubble is nearly impermeable. People believe what they want to believe.

Too bad I have a conscience. I could gain wealth and power by spouting crap.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

The republican party is helping neo-nazi and fascist ideology stay alive here in the US as well.

True but all the rest are unicorns farts in your bong.

 

[oddity83]

Why not put the faith of Zeppelin field to the people of the country? Give them three options, let it rot as it sits, tear it down, or save it.