US v Apple

[Ishmael]

This is a poll. Should Apple keep fighting?

Ishmael

 

[nerfhearder]

For a while I said Apple should crack the damn phone in this one case. Now I've moved more towards Apple should tell the gubmint to go fuck themselves.

 

[Lancecastor]

Apple isn't fighting.

They are simply saying no thanks to the FBI missionaries at their door.

 

[Adre]

Keep fighting. This is not about just one phone.

 

[BabblingBrooke]

Keep fighting. This is not about just one phone.

Exactly.

 

[Lancecastor]

I see this thread as who do you trust...

Ish & the FBI?

Or Apple & Lance.

 

[Busybody]

Keep fighting. This is not about just one phone.

STFU, STINKY CUNT in DEPENDS......aka, A DRECK NIGGER

 

[Ishmael]

I see this thread as who do you trust...

Ish & the FBI?

Or Apple & Lance.

*chuckle* Didn't look at the votes, did ya Lance?

Ishmael

 

[about_average]

I voted yes. Not because I'm anti-government, or pro Apple, but because I'm pro security and privacy.
Once a backdoor is created there's no telling in whose hands it will end up and I don't trust Apple or the government to keep it secure. Or to not use it again.

If the code could be written in a secure room with no connection to any network, the data retrieved to a thumb drive (independently verified to contain only the phone data), which is handed to the FBI, then the room and its contents vaporized, I would probably support the FBI having the data in this particular case.

 

[Sean]

I voted yes. Not because I'm anti-government, or pro Apple, but because I'm pro security and privacy.
Once a backdoor is created there's no telling in whose hands it will end up and I don't trust Apple or the government to keep it secure. Or to not use it again.

If the code could be written in a secure room with no connection to any network, the data retrieved to a thumb drive (independently verified to contain only the phone data), which is handed to the FBI, then the room and its contents vaporized, I would probably support the FBI having the data in this particular case.

The script for exploiting the back door would be up on the hacking sites five minutes after Apple wrote it.

 

[pointless]

I voted yes. Not because I'm anti-government, or pro Apple, but because I'm pro security and privacy.
Once a backdoor is created there's no telling in whose hands it will end up and I don't trust Apple or the government to keep it secure. Or to not use it again.

If the code could be written in a secure room with no connection to any network, the data retrieved to a thumb drive (independently verified to contain only the phone data), which is handed to the FBI, then the room and its contents vaporized, I would probably support the FBI having the data in this particular case.

that's great, but it's never about just one case.they just don't work that way. give 'em an inch and they'll take a mile every fucking time.

 

[about_average]

The script for exploiting the back door would be up on the hacking sites five minutes after Apple wrote it.

If it's that easy it would already be there.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Privacy is one issue; the fact that we've pissed away trillions of dollars on computer systems and computer experts and can't even read an iPhone is another. The biggest issue for me though is that I don't like the government telling a private business that they have to create something for the government because the government can't do it themselves.

If they want software to break the encryption, put it out for bid.

 

[Busybody]

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[about_average]

that's great, but it's never about just one case.they just don't work that way. give 'em an inch and they'll take a mile every fucking time.

That's why I said "this particular case". This case is the person is dead and is guilty of killing quite a few people and there's a decent chance others were involved. This is a very limited and unique case.

I forgot to add in my first reply that Apple would need to be paid the going rate for the work. No freebies and the FBI would pay for the secure room and all the equipment.

 

[about_average]

Privacy is one issue; the fact that we've pissed away trillions of dollars on computer systems and computer experts and can't even read an iPhone is another. The biggest issue for me though is that I don't like the government telling a private business that they have to create something for the government because the government can't do it themselves.

If they want software to break the encryption, put it out for bid.

Depending on what the passcode is it could take them many years, very many, to brute force the encryption.

Unless the thread title is the actual court case title, it should be "FBI vs. Security."

 

[Disgustipated]

I don't get it.

Back when DirecTV was being hacked, they had people 'round the clock rewriting code after we... errrrrrr..... script kiddies figured out the stream. It was a game. Sometimes a script could last for months, sometimes days.

 

[nerfhearder]

Depending on what the passcode is it could take them many years, very many, to brute force the encryption.

Unless the thread title is the actual court case title, it should be "FBI vs. Security."

The passcode is just a 4 digit pin. 10,000 possibles, a few days or couple weeks tops to crack that.
The problems isn't the code, it's the fact that putting in the wrong code wipes the phone. No way past that currently.

 

[Sean]

The passcode is just a 4 digit pin. 10,000 possibles, a few days or couple weeks tops to crack that.
The problems isn't the code, it's the fact that putting in the wrong code wipes the phone. No way past that currently.

Default in iOS 9 is six digits. And those digits can be alphanumeric. That's 36^6 combinations.

 

[about_average]

The passcode is just a 4 digit pin. 10,000 possibles, a few days or couple weeks tops to crack that.
The problems isn't the code, it's the fact that putting in the wrong code wipes the phone. No way past that currently.

I don't know about that specific phone, but some iPhones accept alpha-numeric pass phrases.

 

[pointless]

and you only get ten shots.

 

[nerfhearder]

Default in iOS 9 is six digits.

Pretty sure in this case they're saying it's 4. Not sure about alpha though. Never saw that get mentioned. Maybe they don't know.

 

[about_average]

Pretty sure in this case they're saying it's 4. Not sure about alpha though. Never saw that get mentioned. Maybe they don't know.

Why would they think it's only 4? If it's wrong, regardless, I assume it indicates it's wrong. It would be pretty stupid to say, "sorry, your passcode is 16 characters, try again"

It's a 5c and as of iOS6 it can accept at least a 37 character alpha-numeric/special character passcode. Given the character choices even a 6 character password has over 208 billion possible combinations.

 

[nerfhearder]

Why would they think it's only 4? If it's wrong, regardless, I assume it indicates it's wrong. It would be pretty stupid to say, "sorry, your passcode is 16 characters, try again"

It's a 5c and as of iOS6 it can accept at least a 37 character alpha-numeric/special character passcode. Given the character choices even a 6 character password has over 208 billion possible combinations.

They must know something becuase most of the stories I've read say 4.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I love the poll results....

Ish and BB think the private company should give into federal ass fucking.

And all the liburhulz think Apple, a no bullshit slave driving super bucks evilcorp , should give the US government the finger till the bitter end.


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LMFAO.....the GB never ceases to amaze.