Richard Dawkins called out leftist apologists of Islamic extremism

[Aella_]

Richard Dawkins Slams 'Regressive Left' for Turning 'Treacherous Blind Eye' to Misogyny, Homophobia Promoted By Islam
http://www.gospelherald.com/article...-to-misogyny-homophobia-promoted-by-islam.htm


"Richard Dawkins called out leftist apologists of Islamic extremism.
He has slammed liberals for turning a "treacherous" blind eye to the misogyny and homophobia promoted by Islam despite the shocking human rights abuses carried out by Muslims around the world.

Quotes:

1.They're kind of right about everything else, I mean, they're right about misogyny and all of the other good things.
But regressive left turns treacherous, blind eye on misogyny & homophobia because they absurdly think Islam must be 'respected' as a 'race. Those who criticize Muslims were often condemned as racist.
But in the case of Islam, it just gets a free pass and I think it is because of the terror of being thought racist."

2.The media willingly slams Christianity but treats Islam with respect simply because of "straight up fear".
"[The liberal media] seems to find it permissible to critique, mock, [and] deride Christianity," but give Islam a free pass," he said, "Which is so strange, because if you care about women's rights, if you care about human rights, if you care about gay rights, then you really... uh... then Islam is much more problematic."

 

[Vagina_Dentata]

The Survey said:


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[phrodeau]

The Gospel Herald put the story in their Entertainment section.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Dawkins is an atheist nutbar as radical as any Christian fundy. His way is only way. Fool!

If every Muslim is a homophobic misogynist then every American is a gun toting xenophobic self-indulgent capitalist. You want to brand an entire world religion's observers with one brush your ignorant. You want to ignore the effect of totalitarian regimes supported by western monies on a disenfranchised people with almost no civil liberties go ahead. Fool!

 

[Aella_]

Dawkins is an atheist nutbar as radical as any Christian fundy. His way is only way. Fool!

If every Muslim is a homophobic misogynist then every American is a gun toting xenophobic self-indulgent capitalist. You want to brand an entire world religion's observers with one brush your ignorant. You want to ignore the effect of totalitarian regimes supported by western monies on a disenfranchised people with almost no civil liberties go ahead. Fool!

Typical GB progressive tactic : Attack the source instead of focusing on the message.

Let's leave the source for a moment and discuss the issues raised.
Or maybe not. They're geared for war and are ready to bomb the evil place.

Fuck discussions ! They're for pussies.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Dawkins is an atheist nutbar as radical as any Christian fundy. His way is only way. Fool!

If every Muslim is a homophobic misogynist then every American is a gun toting xenophobic self-indulgent capitalist. You want to brand an entire world religion's observers with one brush your ignorant.

LOL....

You want to ignore the effect of totalitarian regimes supported by western monies on a disenfranchised people with almost no civil liberties go ahead. Fool!

That doesn't make Islam not full of nor huge swaths of it's followers massively homophobic and misogynistic haters. They make US lunatic Christians look like liburhul hippie socialist.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Liberalism is entirely about ordaining and anointing one's pathology, and ragheads come from the factory seriously fucked.

 

[Liar]

Typical GB progressive tactic : Attack the source instead of focusing on the message.

Let's leave the source for a moment and discuss the issues raised.
Or maybe not. They're geared for war and are ready to bomb the evil place.

Fuck discussions ! They're for pussies.

The second paragraph was focusing on the message.

But let's ignore that, shall we? Because fuck discussions.

 

[Liar]

Anyway, Dawkins argument is weird. I've never met a liberal who thinks theocracy and religious conservastism is hunky dory and that the Islamic world doesn't have a huge problem with it. I've met plenty of liberals who think pounding your chest and screaming "AAAAARGHEVILRAGHEADS!!" is a pretty retarded way of doing something about it.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

He said racist when he meant xenophobic...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

LOL....





That doesn't make Islam not full of nor huge swaths of it's followers massively homophobic and misogynistic haters. They make US lunatic Christians look like liburhul hippie socialist.

Fallacy of false equivalency.

 

[Aella_]

Anyway, Dawkins argument is weird. I've never met a liberal who thinks theocracy and religious conservastism is hunky dory and that the Islamic world doesn't have a huge problem with it. I've met plenty of liberals who think pounding your chest and screaming "AAAAARGHEVILRAGHEADS!!" is a pretty retarded way of doing something about it.

I totally agree.
You're referring to the ones in the middle of the spectrum, the reasonable liberals who see things in shades of grey. And those are the regular voters.

But my take on Dawkin's comments was that he was targetting only those whose inflexible all or nothing thinking places them towards the end of the spectrum. The "Regressive left", the politicians or reporters who engage in all this good vs. all bad thinking, and who demonize anyone who doesn't share their rosey perspective.

The second paragraph was focusing on the message.
But let's ignore that, shall we? Because fuck discussions.

1.R.Dawkins criticized Islam (the religion, the doctrine) for viewing and placing Muslim women in a lesser position than Muslim men. He was not trying to demonize the people, aka the entire muslim Population.

HardRom's argument was similar to "If you criticize Communism, you're automatically villifying hundreds of millions of Eastern Europeans".


2.And his final sentence was a clear avoidance tactic (he never committed himself to a clear position on Islam). He tried to sidetrack the whole issue instead:
" You want to ignore the effect of totalitarian regimes supported by western monies on a disenfranchised people with almost no civil liberties go ahead."

Did anyone said that? No, we're all in agreement on that. Which means that Muslim women are twice as oppressed, compared to Muslim men : by " totalitarian regimes supported by western monies", and by their own Religion.

 

[Liar]

I totally agree.
You're referring to the ones in the middle of the spectrum, the reasonable liberals who see things in shades of grey. And those are the regular voters.

But my take on Dawkin's comments was that he was targetting only those whose inflexible all or nothing thinking places them towards the end of the spectrum. The "Regressive left", the politicians or reporters who engage in all this good vs. all bad thinking, and who demonize anyone who doesn't share their rosey perspective.

And that's my point. His "regressive left apologist" is, by and large, a strawman. A ridiculous charicature (just like my all-caps one is) of what those trying to have a nuanced debate of a complex issue and trying to avoid fanning the flames of racism, are actually saying.

1.R.Dawkins criticized Islam (the religion, the doctrine) for viewing and placing Muslim women in a lesser position than Muslim men. He was not trying to demonize the people, aka the entire muslim Population.

And likewise, those arguing that the doctrine of Islam is not the root of the problem (any more or less than the doctrine of any major religion is, at any rate) are not trying to exonerate the entire Muslim world and ignore the many problem that plague major parts of it. They are saying that "your faith is evil" is not a constructive starting point for facilitating progress.

"If you criticize Communism, you're automatically villifying hundreds of millions of Eastern Europeans"? More like "It's fine to critisize Communism, but equalling it to Soviet totaliarism is ignoring a whole lot of context, and it doesn't mean everyone who favor some Socialism in their society are Stalin."

 

[phrodeau]

I think that mainstream Christianity is no longer misogynistic and homophobic, and neither is mainstream Islam.

I don't know if Islam was misogynistic and homophobic forty years ago, but I am positive that Christianity was.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Mainstream is a subjective euphemism which only means the Muslims who seem to behave the way I think Muslims should behave to which you are adding a dollop of false equivalency and s sprinkling of Oikophobia (the fear and hatred of the known).

 

[lovecraft68]

Richard Dawkins Slams 'Regressive Left' for Turning 'Treacherous Blind Eye' to Misogyny, Homophobia Promoted By Islam
http://www.gospelherald.com/article...-to-misogyny-homophobia-promoted-by-islam.htm


"Richard Dawkins called out leftist apologists of Islamic extremism.
He has slammed liberals for turning a "treacherous" blind eye to the misogyny and homophobia promoted by Islam despite the shocking human rights abuses carried out by Muslims around the world.

Quotes:

1.They're kind of right about everything else, I mean, they're right about misogyny and all of the other good things.
But regressive left turns treacherous, blind eye on misogyny & homophobia because they absurdly think Islam must be 'respected' as a 'race. Those who criticize Muslims were often condemned as racist.
But in the case of Islam, it just gets a free pass and I think it is because of the terror of being thought racist."

2.The media willingly slams Christianity but treats Islam with respect simply because of "straight up fear".
"[The liberal media] seems to find it permissible to critique, mock, [and] deride Christianity," but give Islam a free pass," he said, "Which is so strange, because if you care about women's rights, if you care about human rights, if you care about gay rights, then you really... uh... then Islam is much more problematic."

all of this is the general board in a nutshell, to afraid of what other people might think if they call certain races out for doing wrong.

But always okay to nail Christians and whites which is what the majority of posters here are.

Its occurred to me that what political correctness is is a modern and much more powerful version of "catholic guilt" and it leads to self flagellation in the form of "I am white and american, therefore a sinner and I am guilty of everything!"

 

[badbabysitter]

all of this is the general board in a nutshell, to afraid of what other people might think if they call certain races out for doing wrong.

But always okay to nail Christians and whites which is what the majority of posters here are.

Its occurred to me that what political correctness is is a modern and much more powerful version of "catholic guilt" and it leads to self flagellation in the form of "I am white and american, therefore a sinner and I am guilty of everything!"

There's not a day that goes by on the GB where the entirety of Islam is not villified

not a day

and when Christianity is attacked it's done so versus specific christians or denominations


lets put this to a test... let's count how many threads attack christinaity and how many attack islam in a week


If Christianity gets attacked more in a week, I will write a thread personally apologizing to all Christians everywhere ( including myself, as I'm a Roman Catholic and you can't get much more Christian then that)

if Islam gets attacked more, I expect you to do the same, you probably won't, because it's so much easier to play victim then to fess up

 

[Smootg103]

Typical GB progressive tactic : Attack the source instead of focusing on the message.

Let's leave the source for a moment and discuss the issues raised.
Or maybe not. They're geared for war and are ready to bomb the evil place.

Fuck discussions ! They're for pussies.

Paki brah is mimicking rw dummies now lmao

 

[Beco]

Big bad Bernie Sanders would reason with them....vote Bernie

 

[BotanyBoy]

There's not a day that goes by on the GB where the entirety of Islam is not villified

not a day

Boo fuckin' hoo....that's what happens when when you let huge numbers of people start acting like total assholes in the name of your god.

Big bad Bernie Sanders would reason with them....vote Bernie

It's trillions cheaper than (R)'s plan and about as effective.

So yea...if you're even remotely fiscally conservative, vote Sanders.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Seriously BB. Every day is all day how terrible Muslims are.

Islam has a problem with women.
Islam has a problem with other religions.
Islam has a problem with rape
Islam has a problem with terrorism. (Though to be fair Obama kills more Muslims than Muslims kill Americans but such a margin that we don't compare them because they are playing fundamentally differnt games. It's something akin to a vandal and an arson both being charged with destruction of property. It's true in the technical sense but not in the real sense.

The difference you goddamn fuckheads is that Islam has ZERO power over my life or my nation (in teh true sense.) No amount mustering of power in the American Islamic community can make me do a DAMN thing. But it took until 2015 to get gay marriage rights in the United States because God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. We have the highest teen pregnancy and abortion rate among major countries, lowest acception rate of Evolution and Global warming. (Correlation but I strongly believe is causation. Certainly we know that abstinence only training DOES NOT WORK. And we know who is complaining about sex ed teaching kids to put condoms on bananas. We know who got into a tizzy over the HPV vaccine (which would prevent certain kinds of cervical cancer) because it would turn their little girls into sluts.

Every single year I have to hear some version of the war on Christmas or in this very thread that we vilify Christians. You still make up 70% of the goddamn population. And lots of the next largest group are really part of your team. I wish the 20% of unaffiliated meant Atheist/Agnostic but I know it doesn't. It just means people who want to sleep in on Sunday. Most of them are still marginally Christian.

2014 was the great Santa Claus is WHITE war with Megyn Kelly (I bring this up because three months of backing her is starting to make me itch.). He's a fictional character. Black Santa Claus shouldn't be any more offensive than black Nick Fury. (He was white for you comic virgins. Played by David Hasselhoff who if we're being honest was a dead ringer.

Can you imagine a Muslim or for that matter a Jew (who despite making up a smaller part of the population have disproportionate political power) demanding that one of their holidays be respected? Like Happy Holidays was really a concession to Jewish people. The number of blacks who celebrate Kwanzaa is sufficiently low to get no major concessions and solstice and the rest of those holidays? PLEASE. But just the tiny, tiny concession of Happy Holidays is considered an offense to Christians because they do run the country.

To the point where Obama is accused of being a muslim to lesser his legitimacy and both JFK(Catholic) and Romney (Mormon) who are essentially just off brand Christian caught all sorts of shit for not being part of the proper tribe.

So forgive me if my criticism lies with those who effect me. I also don't care how racist the Chinese or Japanese are against black people (and believe me they can get pretty goddamn brutal though in fairness it's not personal. They appear to actually hate everybody equally. I care about the people who make up a majority of MY country. When I fix my shit we can worry about them or better yet we can do the only thing we morally can do. Set trade restrictions on people who don't agree with our morals. I'm 100% behind cutting trade with China until they respect Women. But aside from economic sanctions there aren't a lot of tools I have to use against China or Iran. And again they don't actually do SHIT to me. And this from someone who can go take pictures at the site of the San Bernadino shooting because it is literally right up the freeway from me.

So yeah Dawkins can spout all the shit he wants but he's simply wrong and much like Carson I wish he'd stick to science. He's a goddamn king there but politically the man needs to watch his fuck mothering mouth.

 

[BotanyBoy]

So yeah Dawkins can spout all the shit he wants but he's simply wrong .

No, he's not....you just don't care that he is.

 

[Sean Renaud]

No, he's not....you just don't care that he is.

Can you tell me the last time I was oppressed by an American Muslim? Or when the actions of any American Muslim had effected me beyond what more or less already happens. Because yes some people died. But LOTS of people die. Some in cars. Some to gangs. Some to crazy people. Some are executed wrongly by the state.

I have zero problem criticizing Islam nor do I know anybody who does. They have a fuck ton to answer for.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Can you tell me the last time I was oppressed by an American Muslim? Or when the actions of any American Muslim had effected me beyond what more or less already happens. Because yes some people died. But LOTS of people die. Some in cars. Some to gangs. Some to crazy people. Some are executed wrongly by the state.

I have zero problem criticizing Islam nor do I know anybody who does. They have a fuck ton to answer for.

I'm not saying YOU have been oppressed by Islam.

I'm saying Dawkins is right about (D) and 'progressives'. They have every bit the hard on covering for as much of Islams bullshit as the RWCJ does for blaming the worlds woes upon them.

Screaming "admiral akbar" repeatedly as they gunned down 'infidels' as they called them on their facebook manifesto? Absolutely NOTHING to do with Islam it's totally random workplace violence and only racist bigots call them Muslims because REAL Muslims would never do this. Seriously they are like FOX after a mass shooting "GUNS......they had NOTHING to do with this MMMmmmkaaaay!!" lmfao

Yea (D)'s just LOVE to ignore all that b/c Islam is just the greatest fucking thing that has ever happened to humanity!! And god damn ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHERWISE. If anyone DARE speak an ill word about Islam they are a fuckin' RACIST BIGOT of the highest order, are immediately labeled as such and completely dismissed from the conversation.

And everyone who engages in that shit is a fuckin liburhul twat.....a 'progressive' fart sniffing fuckin' bag o' dicks.

Does it really matter in the grand scheme of things? No...but at this point I'm convinced a Muslim could honor kill his daughter in downtown SF and everyone would #diversity then look the other way, not 1 phone call to the PD, wouldn't want to be racist bigots now would we? Same people would send a terrorist fuckin Christian to GTMO for saying they don't think gay marriage is right by the end of the hour if the pesky federal law wasn't in their way.

 

[Aella_]

Can you tell me the last time I was oppressed by an American Muslim? Or when the actions of any American Muslim had effected me beyond what more or less already happens. Because yes some people died. But LOTS of people die. Some in cars. Some to gangs. Some to crazy people. Some are executed wrongly by the state.

I have zero problem criticizing Islam nor do I know anybody who does. They have a fuck ton to answer for.

Both sides seem to have a valid point, imo.
- Libs.. (the moderate ones) allergy to criticisms of Muslims was in response to the discrimination that many muslim minorities Do face in Western cou tries. So they're right to be wary of any criticisms.
- On the other hand, a small category of Libs. (I call them "radical" or regressive left, or -tongue in cheeck- progressives) pushed it too far:
One can no longer make any more comments about Islam's view on women (the religion, and Not the people) without being immediately jumped on and labeled as "racist".



People are the same everywhere; some are good and some are bad. No matter what race or country they belong to.
But with such a patriarchal religion like Islam , the "bad" people have more freedom to showcase their misogyny and homophobia.

The analogy of "Don't you dare criticize Communism, because that means that you're villifying hundreds of millions of Eastern Europeans" jumps to my mind in such cases.