Score Another One For The NRA!!

[Five_Inch_Heels]

US doesn't need to be worried about ISIS. We do a better job of killing us than they do.

 

[Not Normal]

No one, there aren't really any gun show massacres.

Those almost exclusively happen in a 'gun free zone' that some Democrat has established for mass shooter convenience.

Like schools, malls and movie theaters.

 

[windyboy]

baby killer ? what are you talking about?

 

[windyboy]

wow what an intellect you have to come out with such insightful comments such as
Yo mama, playgrounder.

 

[Ishmael]

Like schools, malls and movie theaters.

Dawinism at it's best.

Besides, you really should be gong after the ACLU. They're the ones that basically turned the insane loss on the streets and made it virtually impossible to keep them in their rubber rooms calmed down with nifty drugs. No, it wasn't the NRA that went before the SCOTUS demanding the nuts be let out of the bags.

Ishmael

 

[RobDownSouth]

Then how come on a near daily basis the biggest body counts and most heinous gun violence is almost always in a gun free zone?

They certainly are not be the source of the problem but under current conditions they sure as fuck are a magnet for crazy to score a huge body count and 15 min of fame like no other in the history of humanity. Gun shows, ranges and stores don't even come close and are a far far safer place to spend your time than a gun free zone.

Debunking the whackadoodle right's "almost always in a gun free zone" herpaderp

 

[BotanyBoy]

Debunking the whackadoodle right's "almost always in a gun free zone" herpaderp

1) I never said gun violence was because of GFZ's, just that massacres happen in them far more often than at gun shows/ranges/stores.

2) MotherJones is about as serious as Britbart or AmericanStinker. Everyone not totally fucking (D)ick sucking loon now takes you less seriously as they should.

3) Get some proof more massacres/spree/rampage shootings happen at gun shows than in GFZ's or get bent you gun-sterical libtard. Otherwise I'm going to stick tew mah gunz!!!!

Gun free zones = more..... FAR more at risk of being shot the fuck up than gun shows/ranges/stores.

 

[sigh]

Because they regulate who's allowed to have guns.



Then how come on a near daily basis the biggest body counts and most heinous gun violence is almost always in a gun free zone?

They certainly are not be the source of the problem but under current conditions they sure as fuck are a magnet for crazy to score a huge body count and 15 min of fame like no other in the history of humanity. Gun shows, ranges and stores don't even come close and are a far far safer place to spend your time than a gun free zone.

I'd say that's because that nearly everywhere there's a mass of people, it's declared a gun-free zone. So if you want to kill a mass of people, go to a gun free zone with a gun. It doesn't mean that having guns in the gun free zone would have helped, or that not naming gun-free zones at all would help. There's no data to support that. You can't can't prove that something wouldn't have happened if only we'd done something else. So that argument is specious, no matter how many times it's used.

That said, you know I support the second against legislation (or executive order) meant to curtail it. I might support an amendment to repeal the second, but as far as I'm concerned, that's the only constitutional way to go.

 

[sigh]

Dawinism at it's best.

Besides, you really should be gong after the ACLU. They're the ones that basically turned the insane loss on the streets and made it virtually impossible to keep them in their rubber rooms calmed down with nifty drugs. No, it wasn't the NRA that went before the SCOTUS demanding the nuts be let out of the bags.

Ishmael

Bullshit, Ish. The ACLU was absolutely correct in stopping people from being institutionalized without consent. People were being incarcerated for life simply for being different. There was no appeal and no requirement for reevaluation. The vast majority of these folks aren't violent at all and we have no business imprisoning them.

People can still be institutionalized without consent. We just have a process now for getting it done so that the individuals' rights are protected. It was crazy that a murderer would get an appointed lawyer, his day in court, and appeal after appeal after appeal, but those who were simply nutty got locked up forever with no hope at all.

 

[windyboy]

When did a good guy with a gun kill a bad guy with an intent on mass murder ?

You guys have more guns year on year but yet the murder rate hasn't dropped ?

 

[Sean]

When did a good guy with a gun kill a bad guy with an intent on mass murder ?

You guys have more guns year on year but yet the murder rate hasn't dropped ?

Given the amount of guns in the US compared to other nations, America should be the safest place on Earth. Strangely enough, it isn't.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I'd say that's because that nearly everywhere there's a mass of people, it's declared a gun-free zone. So if you want to kill a mass of people, go to a gun free zone with a gun.

Except gun shows....for some unknown magical reason they just don't get blasted the fuck up like schools/churches/shows/public buildings.

It doesn't mean that having guns in the gun free zone would have helped, or that not naming gun-free zones at all would help. There's no data to support that.

Nothing concrete no, but the wave of public spree shootings starting in the 90's following the GFZ act that has continued to grow into someone trying to make CNN headlines now a daily thing certainly doesn't look good for the GFZ being any more than a warm fuzzy for the derps of the world.

You can't can't prove that something wouldn't have happened if only we'd done something else. So that argument is specious, no matter how many times it's used.

No you can't and I'm not saying there is proof, but there are some DAMN strong correlations and co-winkey-dinks.

That said, you know I support the second against legislation (or executive order) meant to curtail it. I might support an amendment to repeal the second, but as far as I'm concerned, that's the only constitutional way to go.

Sure is but I don't think SCOTUS would find a passed law for better background checks and even further restrictions on handguns specifically unconstitutional. We restricted the shit out of full auto because they were a SERIOUS problem and that was constitutional. Banning 'assault weapons' (really just rifle accessories) when at absolute maximum can only account for 1-1.5% of gun crime was constitutional...

I don't see why we can't make pistols harder to get as long as it's shall issue.....they are the ultra super mega majority of the problem and it's not even a ban.

 

[sigh]

Given the amount of guns in the US compared to other nations, America should be the safest place on Earth. Strangely enough, it isn't.

But all we need is MORE. Like a chicken in every pot, all we need is a .44 in every glove box.

Then safety will come. You must believe.

 

[sigh]

Let's not forget that there are FAR more schools, movie theaters, ball games...you name it...than gun shows in this country. Simple odds hugely favor being shot in those locales, no matter what they're named. And the rise in mass shootings since the institution of GFZs is as likely due to the massive news coverage each of these events receives as anything else. Blame it on 24 hour cable news, maybe. Most likely it's a combination of factors. There are too many variables, Botany. I'm a stickler for proper analysis, and there's no way to analyze this at all. You can't even say there's correlation at this point, not even in numbers.

I do think GFZs are pretty stupid. Clearly they don't work.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

But all we need is MORE. Like a chicken in every pot, all we need is a .44 in every glove box.

Then safety will come. You must believe.

Yeah Buddy!! Go NRA!!

http://abc11.com/news/3-year-old-shoots-self-after-finding-gun-at-store/1154468/


Who needs 3 year olds?

 

[Fierywhore]

Yeah Buddy!! Go NRA!!

http://abc11.com/news/3-year-old-shoots-self-after-finding-gun-at-store/1154468/


Who needs 3 year olds?

Think you might be facing an uphill battle! Although it is worth your effort..

Looking at the facts a balanced person will see the issues that unfettered access to firearms create, however as most weapon owners are in denial and your NRA is in reality only a political lobby group interested in their own agenda and empowerment, then their feeding the ignorant false information will always keep the current status quo.

Until one day a Political leader with balls and passion for human life stands up to them.

Good luck in your quest ,

 

[RobDownSouth]

1) I never said gun violence was because of GFZ's, just that massacres happen in them far more often than at gun shows/ranges/stores.

2) MotherJones is about as serious as Britbart or AmericanStinker. Everyone not totally fucking (D)ick sucking loon now takes you less seriously as they should.

3) Get some proof more massacres/spree/rampage shootings happen at gun shows than in GFZ's or get bent you gun-sterical libtard. Otherwise I'm going to stick tew mah gunz!!!!

Gun free zones = more..... FAR more at risk of being shot the fuck up than gun shows/ranges/stores.

You sure do whine a lot, for a former infantryman.

 

[FGB]

More guns.

More dead.

GO NRA!!

I bought another one yesterday.

 

[FGB]

Heh.
.

Damned gangster cats!

 

[Ishmael]

Bullshit, Ish. The ACLU was absolutely correct in stopping people from being institutionalized without consent. People were being incarcerated for life simply for being different. There was no appeal and no requirement for reevaluation. The vast majority of these folks aren't violent at all and we have no business imprisoning them.

People can still be institutionalized without consent. We just have a process now for getting it done so that the individuals' rights are protected. It was crazy that a murderer would get an appointed lawyer, his day in court, and appeal after appeal after appeal, but those who were simply nutty got locked up forever with no hope at all.

I do understand the abuse that was taking place. But in those several rulings (4 in all as I recall, 2 of which were landmark) we went from virtually no protections for the victimized, to a threshold set so high that it is almost impossible to keep the homicidally inclined in their rubber rooms.

To put it another way, for every single individual wrongly placed in the mental institutions, 25 that did belong there were put out on the street.

Ishmael

 

[FGB]

Speaking of such things...

I have yet to anyone open carry in my town. Someone said they saw some Jackass with twin shoulder holsters on, strutting around like some kind of fool.

It would be kind of rude unless it was a bring you own gun event or something.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

Speaking of such things...

I have yet to anyone open carry in my town. Someone said they saw some Jackass with twin shoulder holsters on, strutting around like some kind of fool.

It would be kind of rude unless it was a bring you own gun event or something.

I'm waiting for the old style High Noon stories of Dodge City, Tombstone, Laredo, etc. You know they're coming.

 

[Ishmael]

I'm waiting for the old style High Noon stories of Dodge City, Tombstone, Laredo, etc. You know they're coming.

Predicted every time a different state considered a concealed carry law. Not only did nothing materialize, the crime rates went down. Go figure?

Ishmael

 

[lovecraft68]

The NRA gun show in Harrisburg PA won't have police protection this year, because they won't pony up for the expense, which they call "ransom".

It's obvious that people at a gun show don't need police protection. Why would they even ask for it?

Because of shit slinging pricks like you.

 

[barefootgirl69]

http://wfla.com/2016/01/01/florida-...ot-killed-daughter-works-for-sheriffs-office/

What's your point???

Hey, the bank was robbed in my town, and the robbers used their vehicle to hit and kill a state trooper while trying to flee...let's ban cars!!!!

How asinine!