The new Victorianism and rising moral repression

[renard_ruse]

I'm starting to sense that we are heading toward a new period of moral repressiveness. Often we don't notice societal trends until they well under way, but I'm noticing signs of it here and there. As with Victorianism of old, its not being driven not by conservatives or traditionalists but by those calling themselves "progressive." It always starts as a movement of the left, whether in the days of early Christianity, Victorianism, whatever. Its always a reform movement of the left.

You say, how can this be? Just look at the culture and the entertainment industry. Look at the behavior of young people. Look at the breakdown of the family. Look at the legalization of drugs. Well, yes, I said its in its early stages. Its in the zygote stage but we see clear signs of it everywhere.

Political correctness is part of it. Angry, anti-sex feminism is part of it. Government trying to "protect" our children and even adults from any potential harm to their health or safety with more and more petty limits on freedom. Instead of using religious arguments to justify this, they use things like "fairness", "equality", "fighting hatred", as well as of course the time honored mantra of "progress" and "building a better world."

 

[Doom_Guy]

Like I said before, most sexual harassment lawsuits are filed by greedy plaintiffs whose motives are purely financial.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

As Americans become poorer and poorer a lot of things will change.

 

[renard_ruse]

For example, we increasingly have a perception that once again that sex somehow victimizes women, at least, heterosexuality does so. That women need to be protected from "predatory" males who are everywhere and just want to use them for sex and women being the pure sex don't want sex, have it pressured on them, and are victimized by it. Yes, this has been a fringe view throughout the femanist era and something in common with Victorianism and much moral conservativism of old as well.

Now, however, its seems like the view is being much more mainstream, and even accepted by more and more mainstream young people. Maybe that's not true, I don't know for sure, but I pick up on that here and there on social media. This could possibly also simply be a counter movement against the young people of 10 or 15 years ago, the first internet porn generation, and some of the envelope pushing that was going on among both sexes. Youth tend to rebel most not against much older generations but against the generation that immediately proceeded them so that would not be surprising.

What got me thinking about this was a radio show today where they were saying that today's youth wouldn't give Bill Clinton the pass on adultery and womanizing. They don't approve of womanizing and "cheating" by men (cheating by women not considered as big a deal I would imagine since women are increasingly viewed as victimized saints, the traditional hard femanist view as well, and incidently the Victorian conservative view too). The idea that you can on the one hand be pro-homosexuality and yet view male heterosexuality as inherently "predatory" is not seen as a contradiction (again, the old femanist idea that men liking women is abusive but women liking women, women liking men, and men liking men is perfectly acceptable) becoming mainstream.

Of course, in the adult world we see the same thing, more and more and more petty rules in workplaces. Rules, rules, and more rules, and it doesn't end after grade school anymore. And the younger generations who have been told they have to "put on a bicycle helmet" just to ride a couple blocks and can only play on federally approved play equipment think rules are normal, rules are good, rules are our friends, so this is only going to get worse with less and less opposition as more free spirited older generations die off.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

https://faculty.unlv.edu/kirschen/handouts/victorian.html

The Victorian Era (1830-1901) gave rise to what we call THE MIDDLE-CLASS. The Middle Class are the self employed. Class has nothing to do with income amount, but has everything to do with income sources. The Middle Class work for themselves: theyre butchers and bakers and candlestick makers and doctors and lawyers and authors and even madams and farmers.

Victorian morality (correct behavior) is our political correctness and the Puritanism of the 18th Century. Victorian morality was founded on British prosperity NOT Victoria's private or public conduct. That is, the self respecting shop keeper made his employees bathe and dress appropriately, act well mannered and courteous.

I invented racism, homophobia, and misogyny yet my grooming and public conduct are perfection. No nigger, fag, or gal will ever work in my administration but they'll be treated kindly out on the street.

 

[PoppingTom]

Of course, in the adult world we see the same thing, more and more and more petty rules in workplaces. Rules, rules, and more rules, and it doesn't end after grade school anymore. And the younger generations who have been told they have to "put on a bicycle helmet" just to ride a couple blocks and can only play on federally approved play equipment think rules are normal, rules are good, rules are our friends, so this is only going to get worse with less and less opposition as more free spirited older generations die off.

Poor poor poor old man....

 

[about_average]

Luckily the right is losing ground and there's actually slightly less moral repression today.
For instance, today people can have oral sex without breaking the law.
Homosexuals can get married, except a few pockets of the county where there is still strong moral repression.
Less morally repressed areas have legalized pot, hopefully that's a trend to less repression, the legalization of all recreational drugs.
I expect prostitution will become legal nationwide as we become a less morally repressed society.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Luckily the right is losing ground and there's actually slightly less moral repression today.
For instance, today people can have oral sex without breaking the law.
Homosexuals can get married, except a few pockets of the county where there is still strong moral repression.
Less morally repressed areas have legalized pot, hopefully that's a trend to less repression, the legalization of all recreational drugs.
I expect prostitution will become legal nationwide as we become a less morally repressed society.

Youre psychotic.

 

[about_average]

I guess psychotic means treating all people equally under the law and being opposed to laws that prohibit behavior which does no one else harm.
Strange though, i can't find that definition anywhere.

 

[Sean]

I'm guessing, given the trend of his last few threads, that Ruse is facing a sexual harassment or rape charge.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

I guess psychotic means treating all people equally under the law and being opposed to laws that prohibit behavior which does no one else harm.
Strange though, i can't find that definition anywhere.

You believe what is and what oughta be are the same thing, that's fuggin crazy.

 

[oggbashan]

Victorianism?

In the UK, the high moral standards were only for show. Proportionately to the population numbers there were more prostitutes in London than any time before or since. Veneral disease was rife.

Servants were expected to attend family prayers but many were treated almost as slaves.

Church attendance was high. Sunday was an enforced boredom, but behind closed doors and drawn curtains the Victorians behaved badly.

It was a sin not to appear "respectable" but the reality was very different.

 

[Lancecastor]

Will someone take Renard to the Playground for a handjob?

 

[Aglaopheme]

I'm guessing, given the trend of his last few threads, that Ruse is facing a sexual harassment or rape charge.

Absolutely.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Dang it! There ya go Rob!

 

[Disgustipated]

I'm guessing, given the trend of his last few threads, that Ruse is facing a sexual harassment or rape charge.

I remember ivantheterrible going down this road. Ya know, right before the murders and shit.

 

[Sean]

I remember ivantheterrible going down this road. Ya know, right before the murders and shit.

What ever happened to that fucker, anyway? Is he banged up for life somewhere?

 

[Aella_]

Look at the behavior of young people. Look at the breakdown of the family.
For example, we increasingly have a perception that once again that sex somehow victimizes women, at least, heterosexuality does so.

Who needs men anymore?
Women have come so far since they were were given a few rights decades ago.
Most women are self-sufficient nowadays, even when it comes to pleasure.

So yeah, men are now obsolete and they should keep it in their pocket.

1.You say, how can this be? Just look at the culture and the entertainment industry. Look at the behavior of young people. Look at the breakdown of the family. Look at the legalization of drugs. Well, yes, I said its in its early stages. Its in the zygote stage but we see clear signs of it everywhere.

2.Of course, in the adult world we see the same thing, more and more and more petty rules in workplaces. Rules, rules, and more rules, and it doesn't end after grade school anymore.

And the younger generations think rules are normal, rules are good, rules are our friends, so this is only going to get worse with less and less opposition as more free spirited older generations die off.

Ideas 1 and 2 don't quite mesh imo. Or do you mean that the govt. has double standards or what?

Nevertheless I'm on the same page on point no 2.

 

[pointless]

I'm guessing, given the trend of his last few threads, that Ruse is facing a sexual harassment or rape charge.

sexual harassment shit is the worst. still, it doesn't pay to be bitter.

or a fascist. that shit is lame.

thankfully i have no experience with the rape bit. not first hand, anyway.

 

[about_average]

You believe what is and what oughta be are the same thing, that's fuggin crazy.

Not at all. Society is still a lot more morally repressive than what it should be.

So, what is, how things are today, is not the same as how it should be, what I hope for in the future.

Victorianism?

In the UK, the high moral standards were only for show. Proportionately to the population numbers there were more prostitutes in London than any time before or since. Veneral disease was rife.

Servants were expected to attend family prayers but many were treated almost as slaves.

Church attendance was high. Sunday was an enforced boredom, but behind closed doors and drawn curtains the Victorians behaved badly.

It was a sin not to appear "respectable" but the reality was very different.

Then, of course, there're those tidbits.
The public face of it was certainly repressive.

 

[Doom_Guy]

Sex harassment cases are a lucrative profit center for tort attorneys.

They simply cannot process enough of them.

Major $$$$$$$

 

[girlsmiley]

I'm guessing, given the trend of his last few threads, that Ruse is facing a sexual harassment or rape charge.

Seems that way.

Some sort of crisis.

 

[Not Normal]

I'm guessing, given the trend of his last few threads, that Ruse is facing a sexual harassment or rape charge.

interesting (and probably true) observation

 

[BotanyBoy]

I'm starting to sense that we are heading toward a new period of moral repressiveness.

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