Europe is Doomed or Saved?

[snugglestruggle]

Recently someone brought to my attention that there are riots and demonstrations going on in Europe over this refugee influx. Yet in the states no mention of it. Around the 4 minute mark of this video the former leader of France Nicolas Sarkozy unashamedly admits the mass migration of Muslims into Europe is being forced on it's citizens by the EU . The EU wants to do away with the monolithic cultures which made Europe Europe.

Honestly while I was watching this video I was thinking... well I'll let you watch it and post your comments here.

http://virginiafreecitizen.com/2015/11/12/watch-the-anti-migrant-video-going-viral-across-europe/

 

[Sean]

I watched the first minute of the vid, at least two of the shots purporting to show immigrants were from a Galatasary football match fight. I remember watching it on Sky Sports News. I kinda stopped watching after that.

 

[Mr Noone]

I watched the first minute of the vid, at least two of the shots purporting to show immigrants were from a Galatasary football match fight. I remember watching it on Sky Sports News. I kinda stopped watching after that.

Turks are moose-limbs!

 

[snugglestruggle]

I watched the first minute of the vid, at least two of the shots purporting to show immigrants were from a Galatasary football match fight. I remember watching it on Sky Sports News. I kinda stopped watching after that.

I decided to give it 5 minutes , figuring by then you know if it's BS. I was skeptical until the Sarkozy clip. He says it in plain language "since Europe hasn't voluntarily embraced multiculturalism, it's being force by the EU." I took that to mean the governing body in Brussels, which is F'ed up IMO.

I paused the video for a few minutes thinking about that. I don't believe in political coincidences so , maybe this humanitarian migration is being manufactured ? At that point I decided to watch the whole video.

Turks are moose-limbs!

It's Moose-lambs. Busybody will be annoyed with you.

 

[Mr Noone]

...It's Moose-lambs. Busybody will be annoyed with you.

Really? I haven't kept up.

 

[Aella_]

Multiculturalism and bias or racism? That's media splitting and bullshit. It all boils down to economics and standards of living. My pov :



Europe has been going downhill for many years now, and any massive influx of unemployable immigrants (be they syrians or white folks from Canada or the US) is likely to stretch those dwindling resources.
Most people are nice and care for each other, if you get to the bare bones. But in such difficult situations (like the post- 2008 recession etc.) people go into a survival mode and start being more pragmatic.

So in a nutshell, I can understand where those protesters are coming from. I suspect that (as opposed to the reporters' selective interviews and biased interpretations), a lot of protesters are thinking in this line :
- they are Not against offering a home to genuine reffugees who's lives are at risk.
- they want a more fair process, which means:

Other countries or continents (ie the US, Au, China maybe?) to chip in and share a more or less equal amount of responsibility. So that the Eu budget doesn't get overstreched, leading to another major economical crisis.

A more accurate screening of potential immigrants, in order to separate the genuine reffugee from the opportunist or potential offenders.
- I was told of some antisocial acts committed by some young males.
- Or the fact that a few poor Eastern European countries offered to take in a nomber of reffugees, but that those particular reffugees refused to go to those more poor countries.



N.B.:
Being (and greatful for that) an immigrant myself, I'm far from being a bigot, if anyone accuses me of being one. I'm just a realist.

 

[ishtat]

Europe is beginning to break up. Many Brits and more recently Danes want out, as does the French right wing. It might take 15 or 20 years but the EU is finished. It will take years yet for the professional politicians, and the Brussels mafia to realise it, but the snowball of break up has started to roll. Economic crises, an absurd currency base and social dislocation will guarantee the end of the EU.

 

[Smoottg103]

N.B.:
Being (and greatful for that) an immigrant myself, I'm far from being a bigot, if anyone accuses me of being one. I'm just a PAKI.

gross brah

 

[Aella_]

OK, so I watched the video clip and I was…… .stunned.
I still can't make up my mind about the OP's intent, tho : is this a Lancecastor (shit-stirring for laughs) - type of thread ? Or does he want to mobilize people into having a more general/ideological - type of debate ? (as opposed to the usual "Trump or Hillary or guns suck" threads).

But since this is a porn-board and many Litsters are here for shit'n giggles, I'll concentrate on this :
- The way the reporters selected certain scenes in order to induce an apocalyptic-type mood in viewers:
They started with "not exactly on a Biblical scale, but certainly an exodus" comments : and then one sees those Huge convoys of several kilometers of mostly young syrian men. Then all those men jumping and dropping from the gates, which made me think of the "breach of the Jerusalem gates" scene from World War Z.
- topped by the comments made by the hysterical greek woman (the one who was dyed blonde).

Not too sensitive of me, but the OP's video made me laugh. And one of my first thoughts was, too : this is such a BB video clip! (I posted the link to one of his threads).

 

[Aella_]

I decided to give it 5 minutes , figuring by then you know if it's BS. I was skeptical until the Sarkozy clip. He says it in plain language "since Europe hasn't voluntarily embraced multiculturalism, it's being force by the EU." I took that to mean the governing body in Brussels, which is F'ed up IMO.

On a # note from my previous post:

4:00: "What's the objective? The goal is to meet the [Eu] challenge of interracial marriage. It's not a choice. It's an obligation. If voluntarism does not work for the republic then the state will move in with more coercive measures."
- Who is the speaker? And were those phrases taken out of context and put together by the reporter? Or are they part of the same paragraph and idea?

 

[PoppingTom]

Recently someone brought to my attention that there are riots and demonstrations going on in Europe over this refugee influx.

If we just could be as peaceful as the US where riots never ever happen....

 

[Aella_]

If we just could be as peaceful as the US where riots never ever happen....

Have you watched the video (don't think you had time). Do so and leave the political fighting aside for just a sec.
Some things in it, the way reporters manipulated the scenes, are quite comical, BB-inducing mood.

 

[Liar]

There has been riots and demonstrations going on in Europe about something or the other since the Neanderthals.

 

[PoppingTom]

Have you watched the video (don't think you had time). Do so and leave the political fighting aside for just a sec.
Some things in it, the way reporters manipulated the scenes, are quite comical, BB-inducing mood.

I haven't, and I don't have the time yet.

But I know what to expect from people tthinking Europe is doomed.

 

[Aella_]

I'm going to play the Devil's advocate here. - Given that, from what I've seen, most Litsters are "pro-reffugees" so to speak, I'd like to also present an opposing view by quoting a google user.
N.B.: I'm doing this for the sake of a constructive debate (without intending to demonize the refugees or to split the Board, like some posters might think).

"Calling Bullshit on the Anti-Refugee Video Taking the Internet By Storm."
http://www.vice.com/read/with-open-...tive-suicide-of-european-nations-debunked-938


"Camillo Olivetti · (google user, Comments section):
The open gates video its against mass immigration, which is different from skilled labour immigration, to Europe in any of its forms. Be it a refuge crises, luck of work or overpopulation.

All the reels quoted by the article as been unrelated are actually very related as they show instances of the consequences of that mass migration on Europe. One showing the violence caused by immigrants (which are probably already resident) and the other the physical violence perpetuated against whoever opposes mass immigration.

I am personally from Italy and I can attest that all mainstream medias, TV and newspapers, have been bombing us with hand picked, and often constructed, positive coverage of the immigrants crisis. To the extend that the main national newspaper Corriere della Sera has even created a soap opera called “La scelta di Catia” depicting an heroic woman soldier saving the life of immigrants that come by boat. The strength and perseverance of this propaganda its mind blowing and very open.
The Open Gates video shows what everyone feels its really happening and that which its carefully concealed by our media (like VICE) and elites. Additionally to this distortion and censorship of information, anyone that dares to say anything against mass immigration its morally condemn, as in the case of this article, if not physically abused as seen in the video. Its a very scary scenario."

 

[PoppingTom]

I'm going to play the Devil's advocate here. - Given that, from what I've seen, most Litsters are "pro-reffugees" so to speak, I'd like to also present an opposing view by quoting a google user.
N.B.: I'm doing this for the sake of a constructive debate (without intending to demonize the refugees or to split the Board, like some posters might think).

"Calling Bullshit on the Anti-Refugee Video Taking the Internet By Storm."
http://www.vice.com/read/with-open-...tive-suicide-of-european-nations-debunked-938


"Camillo Olivetti · (google user, Comments section):
The open gates video its against mass immigration, which is different from skilled labour immigration, to Europe in any of its forms.

I think, before discussing the refugee crisis, we should be aware refugees =|= immigrants.

I care about the problems, but not about the paranoias. Fuck them.

 

[Aella_]

I think, before discussing the refugee crisis, we should be aware refugees =|= immigrants.

I care about the problems, but not about the paranoias. Fuck them.

I got where you're coming from with the last sentence, but I didn't quite understand what you meant by refugees =|= immigrants.

 

[PoppingTom]

I got where you're coming from with the last sentence, but I didn't quite understand what you meant by refugees =|= immigrants.

Refugees are temporarily here, because of war az their home
We would be assholes not helping them.

Immigrants want to stay here, and this is even between Germans a sensitive case I'm not willing to discuss with people of such triteness.

 

[Aella_]

...ok
EDIT.
I do get that you kindof suggested to me and a few other Litsters to back off.
On the other hand, your post clarified (at least for me, a much less informed poster as far as Politics are concerned) a lot of misunderstandings or parallel talks.

 

[ToPleaseHim]

I decided to give it 5 minutes , figuring by then you know if it's BS. I was skeptical until the Sarkozy clip. He says it in plain language "since Europe hasn't voluntarily embraced multiculturalism, it's being force by the EU." I took that to mean the governing body in Brussels, which is F'ed up IMO.

I paused the video for a few minutes thinking about that. I don't believe in political coincidences so , maybe this humanitarian migration is being manufactured ? At that point I decided to watch the whole video.

What did you conclude? Do you now believe the refugee crisis or humanitarian migration is being manufactured?

I think, before discussing the refugee crisis, we should be aware refugees =|= immigrants.

I care about the problems, but not about the paranoias. Fuck them.

This.

 

[Aella_]

What did you conclude? Do you now believe the refugee crisis or humanitarian migration is being manufactured?

Yeah… That's exactly what we believe.

 

[putzpotus]

Turd Sniffing Terror Turd lovers

Musta missed this

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1233144

Europe will either EXTERMINATE Muslims

or

Muslims will EXTERMINATE Europe

I say

BOTH

Mutal Destruction

Sweden first

 

[putzpotus]

England 2nd

Germany last, so they can see the horror coming their way and be powerless

 

[Aella_]

And here ya go..
The solution to the manufactured crisis.

 

[putzpotus]

manufractured?