Destruction of embryos intended for IVF...

[BabblingBrooke]

This article raises interesting questions about the parallels of destroying an embryo intended for IVF and elective abortion. The main question is valid, why are we not hearing outrage over these embryos? Do their lives matter less because their parents didn't conceive them via, gasp, irresponsible sex?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?postshare=4171448943277042&tid=ss_fb

 

[parodyluvr75]

Because they aren't in the womb and none of the people protesting abortion will loan out their womb to carry them to term. But I read something about they're working on a way to make an artificial womb for men. Maybe someday.

 

[BabblingBrooke]

I did find this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/hea...dopting-spare-embryos-created-during-IVF.html.

For me, it just always comes back to the number of children who are born and need a family. Adopt them, please. Give one of these kids a chance at a better life.

 

[BabblingBrooke]

Because they aren't in the womb and none of the people protesting abortion will loan out their womb to carry them to term. But I read something about they're working on a way to make an artificial womb for men. Maybe someday.

Perhaps all of the men working so hard to legislate women's bodies will offer up theirs for this cause?

 

[parodyluvr75]

I did find this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/hea...dopting-spare-embryos-created-during-IVF.html.

For me, it just always comes back to the number of children who are born and need a family. Adopt them, please. Give one of these kids a chance at a better life.

That's a very low number, hopefully they are adopting instead.

There are always more babies born than there are homes.

Perhaps all of the men working so hard to legislate women's bodies will offer up theirs for this cause?

I'm sure they'd jump right to it.

That would make a nice topic for a public poll.

 

[parodyluvr75]

Rainshine that's a nice gesture for your friends.

 

[parodyluvr75]

In Aistralia adopting is nigh on impossible. The system is royally screwed.

It's pretty hard here too, I've known more than one couple who went to another country to get a child.

 

[Saint Peter]

I move from country to country to avoid children.

 

[BabblingBrooke]

we're currently thinking about donating to friends of ours.

That is lovely.

In Australia adopting is nigh on impossible. The system is royally screwed.

It's pretty hard here too, I've known more than one couple who went to another country to get a child.

I know many who've left the states to adopt, too. The system is really fucked.

 

[Aella_]

I think one of the -ethical- differences resides in their stage of development :

"Embryo transfer can be performed after various durations of embryo culture, conferring different stages in embryogenesis. The main stages at which embryo transfer is performed are cleavage stage (day 2 to 4 after co-incubation) or the blastocyst stage (day 5 or 6 after co-incubation)."
[Wikipedia]

"A termination of pregnancy is best done between eight and 12-weeks of pregnancy.
Before this the gestation sac is so small that it can be missed, and later than this the procedure is more complicated."

 

[Mr Noone]

Adoption is not a panacea and should be difficult. You're dealing with people's lives, children who have a lifetime of trauma ahead. And international adoption more so, especially when the countries involved have vastly different cultures.

 

[Fata Morgana]

Adoption is not a panacea and should be difficult. You're dealing with people's lives, children who have a lifetime of trauma ahead. And international adoption more so, especially when the countries involved have vastly different cultures.

Ohfuckingyes.

 

[BabblingBrooke]

Adoption is not a panacea and should be difficult. You're dealing with people's lives, children who have a lifetime of trauma ahead. And international adoption more so, especially when the countries involved have vastly different cultures.

Absolutely prospective adoptive parents should be vetted, and I dont have hard numbers on this (or the time to spend right now), but I personally know of local couples who jumped through hoop after hoop to adopt, and it took years, all the while our local news all-too-often featured children abused in their foster homes. This can't be the best we can do.

 

[Mr Noone]

Ohfuckingyes.

 

[Mr Noone]

...This can't be the best we can do.

You could say that about all social services in a country that values jet fighters over everything else.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

I move from country to country to avoid children.

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[VaticanAssassin]

Because they aren't in the womb and none of the people protesting abortion will loan out their womb to carry them to term. But I read something about they're working on a way to make an artificial womb for men. Maybe someday.

I will carry your baby!!!

( It's a egg right? I just have to carry a egg around and sit on it now and then)

 

[bronzeage]

This article raises interesting questions about the parallels of destroying an embryo intended for IVF and elective abortion. The main question is valid, why are we not hearing outrage over these embryos? Do their lives matter less because their parents didn't conceive them via, gasp, irresponsible sex?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?postshare=4171448943277042&tid=ss_fb

This may be the ultimate first world problem.

 

[Noor]

We have three embryos frozen. We have been paying for them to stay on ice for six years now. Last year we were going to have them destroyed, deciding that I am too old and our baby making journey was over. We rang and were sent the paperwork to sign off etc... All good to go. Then I read it and the wording they used got me.

I had always thought of them quite clinically, that they would just thaw out and be no good. Not really a life but the potential for one I guess. The wording on the forms was that they would be removed from storage, and "allowed to succumb." The word succumb just got me.

So... We're still paying $1800 a year for them to be stored, but we're currently thinking about donating to friends of ours.

I donated my eggs anonymously to whomever needed them. It was a long time ago, maybe that isn't an option anymore.

They were for friends of mine, but they weren't able to use them.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I did find this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/hea...dopting-spare-embryos-created-during-IVF.html.

For me, it just always comes back to the number of children who are born and need a family. Adopt them, please. Give one of these kids a chance at a better life.

Yea but the pro life folks, they don't give a fuck because there is no way to control women unless it's in a womans womb.

Outside the womb they are either irrelevant because private parties are paying to house them in deep freeze, or they are a welfare sucking liburhul parasite sucking up pro-lifer tax dollars.
http://www.truthdig.com/images/made/images/cartoonuploads/protectinglife_590_438.jpg

 

[Aella_]

So nice to see this issue boiling down to the essence of what the GB is…
Contest between our feisty GB libs. and conservatives….

 

[phrodeau]

We have three embryos frozen. We have been paying for them to stay on ice for six years now. Last year we were going to have them destroyed, deciding that I am too old and our baby making journey was over. We rang and were sent the paperwork to sign off etc... All good to go. Then I read it and the wording they used got me.

I had always thought of them quite clinically, that they would just thaw out and be no good. Not really a life but the potential for one I guess. The wording on the forms was that they would be removed from storage, and "allowed to succumb." The word succumb just got me.

So... We're still paying $1800 a year for them to be stored, but we're currently thinking about donating to friends of ours.

That word was carefully chosen to be the most likely to keep you paying for their service.

 

[BabblingBrooke]

This may be the ultimate first world problem.

I don't think it's a problem at all as it stands. I just wonder why the pro-life folks aren't giving any fucks about these embryos.

I do realize it's because this:

Yea but the pro life folks, they don't give a fuck because there is no way to control women unless it's in a womans womb.

Outside the womb they are either irrelevant because private parties are paying to house them in deep freeze, or they are a welfare sucking liburhul parasite sucking up pro-lifer tax dollars.
http://www.truthdig.com/images/made/images/cartoonuploads/protectinglife_590_438.jpg

 

[Wrong Element]

I don't think it's a problem at all as it stands. I just wonder why the pro-life folks aren't giving any fucks about these embryos.

The embryos are a key reason why the Catholic Church opposes IVF. The other major reason is its insistence that sex be linked to the possibility of procreation, and conversely, that procreation must only happen through sex between married people, in bed with the lights off (OK, that last part might be optional).


When you get right down to it, most people don't actually believe that a fertilized egg is exactly the same thing as a human being walking around and breathing. If they did, we'd see widespread calls for the execution of women who have abortions.

Thing is, most people, including those who think of themselves as pro-life, are happy that IVF has helped bring joy into so many lives. The fact that there are embryos that go unused as a result of this process is uncomfortable for pro-lifers, because they don't want to stand in the way of that joy, and because calling for a ban on IVF based on the embryo issue would be political suicide. So everyone agrees not to talk about it.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Adoption is not a panacea and should be difficult. You're dealing with people's lives, children who have a lifetime of trauma ahead. And international adoption more so, especially when the countries involved have vastly different cultures.

Wouldn't that logically have a lot to do with how old the person is at the point of being adopted? I can't imagine anybody below the age of say six bring sufficiently versed in their native culture to be but so effected. Now there are OTHER issues out there but I don't really see that one as insurmountable.