Break ISIS down

[Olive Hizklosoff]

I've seen any number of photos of ISIS and Al Qaeda terrorists. Homely looking men who have no other life than their terrorist friends.

What's missing in their lives that makes them want to go out and kill people? They are driven by leaders that prey on the jealousies that these poor weak people have of the western world. After all, if you had a job, could watch porn with your s/o, and could get a buzz every now and then, and then order pizza, why would you want to go out killing people? If you had a son or daughter sleeping in the other room, why would you want to put on a suicide vest? Bye honey, I'm going out to kill people today.

I'll distill it down to basic terms. These people have no idea about Sex, Drugs, and Rock 'n Roll. They don't have girlfriends that they value or any kind of life to live for. There are no pleasures in their lives. Expose them to the sins of the West and let them indulge and terrorists will melt away!

 

[oggbashan]

The flat used by some of the Paris killers was littered with drug paraphenalia.

The Bombay/Mumbai attackers bodies showed significant amounts of LSD, and cocaine or a similar drug.

Some of the terrorists have wives and children.

Your idea doesn't seem to fit the facts.

 

[Hard_Rom]

These are not normal folk. Lots of drug addicts amongst them. The shooter on Canada's parliament hill lived in a homeless shelter. Two convicted in Vancouver where so high all the time, it took real hard work for the police too egg them along until they could arrest them. One convicted in Toronto is undoubtedly schizophrenic. He had to be handheld by the police informant who infiltrated the group.

They are just like the gun nuts who go one shooting sprees in the US. Mentally ill and living in their mum's basement.

Some may have been raised by terrorists. Most racists had racist parents. Mental illness runs through whole families and definitely has a genetic cause, in some.

I know an old Prussian fellow whose dad was a Sturbannfuhrer in the SD. His dad was studying to be a dentist. What takes a young student of medicine from a well off family and turns them into a death squad leader driving around eastern Europe in a Kubelwagon?

Che Guevara was a doctor of allergies. He joined Castro after the US coup in Honduras over bananas. Next thing you know he is lining up guys to be shot. Some did not deserve being shot. Previous there were no signs of radicalism in Che.

 

[Iceprincess12]

I've seen any number of photos of ISIS and Al Qaeda terrorists. Homely looking men who have no other life than their terrorist friends.

What's missing in their lives that makes them want to go out and kill people? They are driven by leaders that prey on the jealousies that these poor weak people have of the western world. After all, if you had a job, could watch porn with your s/o, and could get a buzz every now and then, and then order pizza, why would you want to go out killing people? If you had a son or daughter sleeping in the other room, why would you want to put on a suicide vest? Bye honey, I'm going out to kill people today.

I'll distill it down to basic terms. These people have no idea about Sex, Drugs, and Rock 'n Roll. They don't have girlfriends that they value or any kind of life to live for. There are no pleasures in their lives. Expose them to the sins of the West and let them indulge and terrorists will melt away!

None of what you mentioned sounds good, except pizza.

We need to get them addicted to an online game instead, make it so they have no time to bomb. They will always need to do "just one more thing" before they strap on the vest.

The real truth is that martydom is it's own reward. People willing to die for a cause will always have the upper hand until you kill them. That is the unfortunate solution to terrorism.

 

[Hard_Rom]

The ultimate solution to terrorist is to stop them from becoming terrorists in the first place. You can't stop drunk drivers by cleaning up the bodies after a horrendous accident.

 

[Iceprincess12]

The ultimate solution to terrorist is to stop them from becoming terrorists in the first place. You can't stop drunk drivers by cleaning up the bodies after a horrendous accident.

You also can't stop free will. You won't destroy their religion. You can talk about killing their children but that is wrong to kill someone for a crime you think they might commit. Sterilize their wives but that would be inhumane.

You need to kill them. Kill their leaders so they can't organize. There will always be terrorists but we can stop then from being effective and organizing.

 

[Hard_Rom]

You also can't stop free will. You won't destroy their religion. You can talk about killing their children but that is wrong to kill someone for a crime you think they might commit. Sterilize their wives but that would be inhumane.

You need to kill them. Kill their leaders so they can't organize. There will always be terrorists but we can stop then from being effective and organizing.

Unless the underlying cause is removed, another leader just appears. The same works when fascist are dealing with dissidents. Killing one leader just inspires another to rise up. You will end your days killing and killing some more. A proper run network can with stand the loss of a leadership cell. Making martyrs of terrorists just feeds into their dreams.

How long has NATO been in Afghanistan killing Taliban and terrorists.? I don't really see much progress there. How many did the US kill in Iraq? Not the peaceful place I would care to visit.

Yes there are times when we must kill and there are folk who deserve killing but as a driving tactic to find peace. Killing is counter productive.

Where does it end? Can you assure us that to kill one leader type you have not killed 100 followers and 300 civilians? Or that it has not cost us 5 of our own?

Get rid of the conditions which breed terrorists and you will have far fewer of them, I assure you.

 

[Iceprincess12]

Unless the underlying cause is removed, another leader just appears. The same works when fascist are dealing with dissidents. Killing one leader just inspires another to rise up. You will end your days killing and killing some more. A proper run network can with stand the loss of a leadership cell. Making martyrs of terrorists just feeds into their dreams.

How long has NATO been in Afghanistan killing Taliban and terrorists.? I don't really see much progress there. How many did the US kill in Iraq? Not the peaceful place I would care to visit.

Yes there are times when we must kill and there are folk who deserve killing but as a driving tactic to find peace. Killing is counter productive.

Where does it end? Can you assure us that to kill one leader type you have not killed 100 followers and 300 civilians? Or that it has not cost us 5 of our own?

Get rid of the conditions which breed terrorists and you will have far fewer of them, I assure you.

You don't understand fanatacism and religious beliefs. Just like I won't convince you that you are wrong, you won't convince terrorists they are. As soon as you can eradicate religion let me know. Until then it's out of your control. Killing them is a short term solution but events require immediate action. Working on defunding them, stopping arms sales...very long term. I don't know that those will ever succeed. Like your drunk driving scenario. The only way to stop it completely is to get rid of alcohol. Don't want to discuss prohibition, but it's impossible to do. People will make their own, black markets, people may turn to drugs instead...

Where there's a will there's a way. You can't stop what you can't control...cliches sometimes are handy.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

We're shaped by our experiences. Religion and race matter.

 

[JackLuis]

Military responses alone will not defeat ISIL

In the past month, the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) launched three major terror attacks: the downing of a Russian airplane over Sinai, two suicide bombings in Beirut and coordinated suicide attacks against civilians in Paris. The wave of violence had five targets: Russia, Egypt, Hezbollah, Lebanon and France. The ambitiousness of these actions appears to mark a shift in ISIL’s strategy that will likely trigger heightened military attacks against its facilities, supply lines and leaders. After the Paris attacks, French President François Hollande promised a “merciless” response against ISIL.

All five targeted foes will undoubtedly step up the military means they have already used against ISIL in Syria, Lebanon and Sinai. The United States and others who fight ISIL will also expand their attacks. Global military and intelligence coordination against ISIL will be enhanced significantly.

But all this will probably not succeed if those fighting ISIL simply repeat the military-heavy strategy that has not destroyed Al-Qaeda in the past 17 years of nonstop attacks. In fact, it will further ISIL’s strategy of destabilizing the Middle East and drawing all sides into a conflagration of violence. The more critical and urgent strategy that is needed now in view of ISIL’s widening circle of targets abroad — but that has never been attempted — is to accompany military attacks with serious actions to address the underlying political, economic and social drivers that created and maintain ISIL.

The power of ISIL resides not in its military prowess or frightening brutality, but in the very extensive list of reasons why individuals in the Middle East and abroad join or support it. Examining these reasons may provide an agenda of structural problems within the Arab World that must be solved, if we hope to defeat ISIL and avoid seeing it replaced by something more vicious.

The common denominator among ISIL adherents appears to be a combined sense of anger at current conditions — no jobs, no income, no voice, no power — and hopelessness about improving their future wellbeing. This same combination of anger and helplessness also sparked the non-violent Arab uprisings in 2010-11, which have mostly failed to deliver on their promise. In fact, both material and political conditions have worsened for most young people in the region since then. In the mind of those who join ISIL, the group promises to overturn corrupt political systems and offer a new life in the Islamic State and the wider utopian Caliphate that would protect all Muslims and provide them with a decent life.

 

[Hard_Rom]

You don't understand fanatacism and religious beliefs.

You don't understand fanaticism, if you think that a fear of dying will stop them. It just feeds them. Drives them to succeed even more. Kill one, two more spring up. How many terrorists, radical fighters, mujahidin have we killed in the last 15 years or so? Thing any better now on the War Against Terror front? Are we any safer now then 15 years ago?

After 15 years with no real accomplishments how can we say we are winning? All we are doing is creating more terrorist and making arms dealers rich.

I'm no pacifist. I'll gladly put a bullet in an ISIS terrorist any day. Will that help the War on Terror. I doubt it very much.

You have to keep tactics fluid. If an attack fails, you set the Operational Research nerds on it and have them analyse your mistakes. Constantly assaulting the same heavily armed beach, year after year is no way to win a war. In fact eventually the civilian population will tire of the endless slaughter and start thinking about concessions.

No way do I want to make any concessions to terrorists. We must defeat them. There are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. That is one hell of a pool to draw radical brainwashed idiots from. A whole shite load bigger pool then we have. Plus a high birth rate. Without nukes we can't kill fast enough for the terrorists to replenish their numbers and strike somewhere else.

The terrorist are winning this war. Every hater in the west who makes some sort of attack on innocent folk because they share the same religion as terrorists just feeds the terrorist ideology. Every wayward bomb breeds a new terrorist.

Is military action required? Yes! Definitely so. But not used as a huge club or sweeping broom. But where and when needed.

"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."
Isaac Asimov

 

[JackLuis]

ISIS under heavy attack by Russians in eastern Syria

Russia has bombed the Islamic State group in the heaviest strikes in eastern Syria since the war began, as Moscow’s military manoeuvres in the Mediterranean forced Lebanon to reroute flights.

It came as the United Nations passed a motion calling for action against IS, a week after 130 people were killed in Paris, sparking international condemnation and fears of similar attacks elsewhere in Europe.

Russian and Syrian warplanes carried out at least 70 strikes in eastern Deir Ezzor province on Friday, killing at least 36 people, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.

The Britain-based group said the raids hit several cities and towns in the province, as well as three oilfields, and were the heaviest bombardment of the region since the conflict began in March 2011.

Most of Deir Ezzor province, including large parts of its capital, is held by IS.

The regime still holds the military airport and several smaller areas.

Russia began its bombing campaign in support of President Bashar al-Assad on September 30, and pledged to step up the strikes after IS claimed a bombing that brought down a Russian passenger jet over Egypt last month, killing all 224 people on board.

On Friday, Russia said it had fired cruise missiles from warships in the Caspian Sea and claimed to have killed 600 fighters in recent strikes.

According to the Observatory, Russia’s strikes have killed more than 1,300 people since they began, a third of them civilians.

I guess the ISIS is getting their ass handed to them now! Russian military strategy is massive firepower and too fucking bad if you're in the cross fire.