Carson wins black's by rejecting gay marriage?

[VeraBad]

That has to be just black evangelicals.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Blacks are more religious than Americans as a whole and conservative to boot. It's a good play on his part. I don't think it will push him to far but who knows, stupider things have happened.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Blacks are more religious than Americans as a whole and conservative to boot.

I disagree, but using "conservative" here is a little off without better context.

You can say that in terms of being socially religious the general American black community, mostly the older senior generation, tends to skew conservative, but many facets of contemporary black lifestyle in America are wholly liberal. Most especially within the last two generations.

If you peep the Black-centric netsphere and social media lately, Carson is not looked upon favorably in his political aspersions for higher office and I am saying this in the best light possible, trust me. He's almost on Cosby's level of flaming out right now.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I was speaking specifically socially. At least using my family and friends though mostly of those older than me I wouldn't count on any of them to have my back on any conversation involving gay marriage, abortion, religion (even the younger generation on religion. Better than their elders? Fuck yeah. Take it on a case by case basis? Yes. If I have to make a snap call though with zero information I'm betting they believe in creationism and hoping like hell to be wrong.)

Carson is fucked one way or the other.

 

[someoneyouknow]

One could always argue this shows the hypocrisy of blacks.

We are all aware there were many, many laws on the books to prevent blacks, at one time or another:

from being free persons
of owning property
of being able to vote
of being schooled with whites
of living in the same community as whites
of using the same water fountain or restroom as whites
of dating whites
of marrying whites
of serving in the same military units as whites
and so on

yet now, after all the trials and tribulations they endured, they are attempting to do the exact same things which were done to them AND trying to claim the two events are not the same thing.

Apparently when they're discriminated against because of how they're born it's a travesty which must be undone. When they discriminate against someone else because of how that person is born, oh well, no biggie.

 

[Sean Renaud]

This is not a defense.

Many people who are against gays, transgenders and the like don't believe that is how you are born. They believe that it is a choice. You are born black, you choose to like American Idol.

 

[DooleyDarter]

This is not a defense.

Many people who are against gays, transgenders and the like don't believe that is how you are born. They believe that it is a choice. You are born black, you choose to like American Idol.

and pedophiles were born that way also, free pass with them too? Separate bathrooms with a Pedo sign on them? Just asking

 

[Sean Renaud]

and pedophiles were born that way also, free pass with them too? Separate bathrooms with a Pedo sign on them? Just asking

Stupid question for stupid people.

Why separate bathrooms? i mean if anything you'd just separate adults from children.

 

[DooleyDarter]

why if some folks are born that way, they have a right to live the way they please in your mind, but not others? Where do you delineate?

 

[KingOrfeo]

You have a right to swing your fist, but that right ends where my nose begins. A pedo has a right to be a pedo, but not to actually fuck children. A gay dude has a right to actually fuck dudes because that's mostly harmless, which fucking children isn't.

 

[DooleyDarter]

so once again you are saying that what ever you believe should be gospel. What about multiple wives or hubbies? does that hurt anybody by your standards?

 

[Nathan_Brazil]

Well...

I suppose Mr. Carson has Uncle Ruckus' vote.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

One could always argue this shows the hypocrisy of blacks.

We are all aware there were many, many laws on the books to prevent blacks, at one time or another:

from being free persons
of owning property
of being able to vote
of being schooled with whites
of living in the same community as whites
of using the same water fountain or restroom as whites
of dating whites
of marrying whites
of serving in the same military units as whites
and so on

yet now, after all the trials and tribulations they endured, they are attempting to do the exact same things which were done to them AND trying to claim the two events are not the same thing.

Apparently when they're discriminated against because of how they're born it's a travesty which must be undone. When they discriminate against someone else because of how that person is born, oh well, no biggie.

http://38.media.tumblr.com/a359a648d24675ed908ba660e2e0b040/tumblr_nqoa9dnrhD1r33r0fo1_400.gif

HUH?

There's no "hypocrisy" of black people going on here.

Wait, what does any of this have to do with Ben Carson to begin with?

Sorry, but unless you live on Bizarro Earth, white people in this country aren't going to be subjected to the "same trials and tribulations" black Americans went through in this country.

and pedophiles were born that way also, free pass with them too? Separate bathrooms with a Pedo sign on them? Just asking

Cognition and critical thinking doesn't run strong in some people's bloodlines, it seems.

 

[someoneyouknow]

Sorry, but unless you live on Bizarro Earth, white people in this country aren't going to be subjected to the "same trials and tribulations" black Americans went through in this country.

I never said it was about whites. I was referring to the hypocrisy that blacks will talk about everything they've had to endure simply because of who they are, yet now see no problem in trying to deny gays/transgenders/whatever those same rights because of how they were born.

Cognition and critical thinking doesn't run strong in some people's bloodlines, it seems.

That is most certainly true.

 

[DooleyDarter]

I wasn't even talking about black lives. I am sorry you have an problem living in your own skin.

 

[DooleyDarter]

http://38.media.tumblr.com/a359a648d24675ed908ba660e2e0b040/tumblr_nqoa9dnrhD1r33r0fo1_400.gif

HUH?

There's no "hypocrisy" of black people going on here.

Wait, what does any of this have to do with Ben Carson to begin with?

Sorry, but unless you live on Bizarro Earth, white people in this country aren't going to be subjected to the "same trials and tribulations" black Americans went through in this country.



Cognition and critical thinking doesn't run strong in some people's bloodlines, it seems.

*L* since you always have your prince on your post, did you see where Boy George is sayin he poked in in the ass?

 

[IrezumiKiss]

I never said it was about whites. I was referring to the hypocrisy that blacks will talk about everything they've had to endure simply because of who they are, yet now see no problem in trying to deny gays/transgenders/whatever those same rights because of how they were born.

Outside of your application of the word here being a totally wrong definition of actual hypocrisy, you're grossly over-simplifying many subjects in trying to put them on one level in order to make a point...and it's dangerous to do so because going through one oppression is not an automatic understanding or respect card for all other oppressions. Being gay is not synonymous with being black, nor is it synonymous with being liberal or not being Christian.

One's skin color doesn't mitigate being a part of a religious or political spectrum that holds rigid and non-progressive belief systems of social structures, nor does it stop the learning and indoctrination of those belief systems. The subjects of people's sexual identity and lifestyle acceptance in America versus the history of the black experience in America are two wholly different things, even when they are intersectional on several tangents.

I wasn't even talking about black lives. I am sorry you have an problem living in your own skin.

I didn't say you were, Dools. I don't think even you knew what you were talking about (or what you're doing in this thread to begin with) since the point you tried to make didn't even follow basic logic, but hey...you reached and you tried and you failed and it's still all good because trying's all that matters.

http://gif.daneden.me/at-least-you-tried.gif

You keep on polishing that apple, okay? I promise you someone's gonna see it shine. Eventually.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

how long have you been a racist?

the problem with you, no skin in the game. you collect tax payer money and with out that, couldn't eat.

sad, as I pitty your kind and our government leadership that enable you by giving you free hand outs.

maybe its not your fault for being such a fuck up.

http://38.media.tumblr.com/a359a648d24675ed908ba660e2e0b040/tumblr_nqoa9dnrhD1r33r0fo1_400.gif

HUH?

There's no "hypocrisy" of black people going on here.

Wait, what does any of this have to do with Ben Carson to begin with?

Sorry, but unless you live on Bizarro Earth, white people in this country aren't going to be subjected to the "same trials and tribulations" black Americans went through in this country.



Cognition and critical thinking doesn't run strong in some people's bloodlines, it seems.

 

[about_average]

and pedophiles were born that way also, free pass with them too? Separate bathrooms with a Pedo sign on them? Just asking

Apparently "consenting adult" is a concept completely alien to you.

What about multiple wives or hubbies? does that hurt anybody by your standards?

See above.

 

[Sean Renaud]

so once again you are saying that what ever you believe should be gospel. What about multiple wives or hubbies? does that hurt anybody by your standards?

I have no problem with multiple wives and or hubbies. Let the tax people figure out th eonly real issues and the rest ain't my business.

Yes. What I believe should be gospel. But realistically speaking we as a society come together and make rules. Ideally these rules are based on solid evidence and are designed to protect people from harm.

There seems to little if any real harm to being gay. Most of what does exist is primarily because of a society that alienates them. Regardless the harm is to themselves (we certainly don't actually need breeders in this country so there is no solid reason to stop them.

Pedos we pretty much universally agree is harmful to the child. (We also misuse the world. Underage=/=pedo.) Which is why we stop them from acting as Orf points out. We do not have separate bathrooms for them (and who would use them?) because that would be stupid.

 

[someoneyouknow]

The subjects of people's sexual identity and lifestyle acceptance in America versus the history of the black experience in America are two wholly different things, even when they are intersectional on several tangents.

A) What lifestyle are you talking about? That someone likes someone else because of how they're born? That because I like Asian women, on the whole, over other women that that is somehow a lifestyle?

B) No, they are not different things. One doesn't choose to be born gay any more than someone chooses to be born black. Or what eye color they have, how tall they will be or any of the other things which make us who we are.

The same arguments that were used to deny blacks the freedoms that whites had (marrying who they wanted, drinking from the same fountains, even sitting in the front of the bus) are now being used against gays. The most common excuse used relates to religion and how it's against God's will. Here, take a look from 1959 and see if this sounds familiar:

“Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix.”

— Judge Leon M. Bazile, January 6, 1959

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/02/26/3333161/religious-liberty-racist-anti-gay/

Now, instead of saying blacks won't be served, we have homosexuals won't be served and the number one justification is because of religion. The same thing used to justify discrimination against blacks.

Instead of saying a black man and white woman won't be married, we have two men or two women won't be married. Because of religion.

We have gays being beaten simply because they're gay, same as blacks, gays denied adopting children, just like blacks, and until recently, gays having sex to be punishable by law, just like black and white couples.

With few exceptions the situations are mirror images and for the black community, at least some in the black community, to work FOR discrimination is the height of hypocrisy.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

(cutting out most of your post because I found myself repeating myself in answering it broken down, so just getting straight to the meat of the matter at the end of it)

With few exceptions the situations are mirror images and for the black community, at least some in the black community, to work FOR discrimination is the height of hypocrisy.

No, they are not being hypocritical. Your argument here has nothing to do with hypocrisy.

What you are intrinsically has no bearing on hypocrisy. Hypocrisy comes from what you believe and say, then what you do and practice that runs counter to that belief and word.

Is a rich person who started out poor then became rich a hypocrite for not helping the poor? No they're not, because that's not how hypocrisy works.

Being black or latinx or Asian or Native American or whatever, then having a legacy of oppression against you for being your race, is not a jump-off state of automatic grace to give weight to hypocrisy. You need to have a proper education of that history and a proper understanding of that history in order to affect change to that legacy's detriment for the better in society. Many people do not have this progressive mindset. They have been taught and indoctrinated and conditioned to the contrary by the system whose power favors the discrimination's perpetuity and so, this is what they know and choose to live within.

That does not make them hypocrites, that makes them ignorant, uneducated, delusional, selfish, close-minded and conservative (amongst many other applying terms.) Their race has nothing to do with it because this mindset exists within the province of everyone's community in America and around the world. Not just one. That is the system we live in.

And this is not a one-size-fits-all thing. That's not how oppressions function. Being a race is not the same as sexual orientation. Their discrimination is different, has different tangents of origin and the solutions or counters to their discriminations are different.

 

[about_average]

No, they are not being hypocritical. Your argument here has nothing to do with hypocrisy.

His belief is that you don't choose to be homosexual.
As Sean said, some believe homosexuality is a choice, not genetic.

If a non-white person believes people should be treated equally regardless of skin color and believes homosexuality is genetic yet still thinks same sex marriage (as one example) should be illegal, that's hypocrisy.

However, if they believe the same thing regarding equality, but believe homosexuality is a choice, then it's not hypocrisy. It's just thinking you have the right to control others' personal choices.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Quote:
Originally Posted by IrezumiKiss

Sorry, but unless you live on Bizarro Earth, white people in this country aren't going to be subjected to the "same trials and tribulations" black Americans went through in this country.

Are you aware of how Irish people were treated in the 19th Century?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Ultimately fairly differently. Enough that you attempt to bring it up to lessen the impact of what happened to African Americans.