What do you want to see?

[THROBBS]

This is "The Visual Artists Corner", which is PART of Literotica.
It has been suggested that, as such (part of an "erotica" themed web-site) that the content should follow that theme.

It also is implied that we (as posters here vs visitors) are visual "artists"...of course THTA opens up a whole can of worms (again) — what is "art" "Art" and who is an "artist" (I say, just because you make visual images, does not make you an "Artist"...just as "being 'misunderstood' does not make one an artist either)

ANYWAY....

I know I prefer to see erotic imagery here, but I am certainly open to other material.

I am also not a big fan of digitally altered (applied filters) photos being passed as original art, or "3D" program (Poser..ironically named...perhaps) generated erotica.


That being said, this is the bulletin board and it is basically un-monitored and certainly not "juried" forum and as such, it seems that most any visual "art" should be allowed. HOWEVER..... there already is a large forum for AM pics, so, unless the pics are "artfully" taken, I'd say "put them there" (I suppose that would require a monitor...not raising my hand for that job)

I would LIKE to see the Adult Illustration Section of LIT (if it ever gets out of "BETA version) somehow have some "bar of standards" and more categories, search functions etc (yes, I have put my 5¢ in with Laurel and Manu)... If the voting ever worked there, that would at least have the "low standard" of public opinion.

 

[ifluke]

Appealing for an opinion from casual visitors is hopeless. They are all mooks, dumb and stupid. In fact Id go as far to say they are the living dead and are doomed to searching out anything that will quicken the pulse in their woebegone miserable shit-arse lives. They eat creativity and give nothing back. They stink of excrement and entitlement and Im only sorry I cant shovel it down their horrid throats fast enough because unfortunately I have standards and like to measure the abuse I dish out tea spoon at a time. [ Cue applause and canned laughter ] But Im getting there

I expect nothing less then high fives for my candour
Thank you

 

[THROBBS]

Appealing for an opinion from casual visitors is hopeless. They are all mooks, dumb and stupid. In fact Id go as far to say they are the living dead and are doomed to searching out anything that will quicken the pulse in their woebegone miserable shit-arse lives. They eat creativity and give nothing back. They stink of excrement and entitlement and Im only sorry I cant shovel it down their horrid throats fast enough because unfortunately I have standards and like to measure the abuse I dish out tea spoon at a time. [ Cue applause and canned laughter ] But Im getting there

I expect nothing less then high fives for my candour
Thank you

I am not appealing to just the "casual visitor", I am also asking YOU.

And there I have it. Thanks. HIGH FIVE!!!!

I suppose your assessment of "casual visitors" applies to more than the bulk of LIT members, on ANY forum. And based on recent political polls— I do not harbor high expectations of humanity, either. oh well.


BTW: I do appreciate your contributions and your mastery of design and composition and your technique, even if your particular focus does not appeal to me.

 

[ifluke]

I am not appealing to just the "casual visitor", I am also asking YOU.

And there I have it. Thanks. HIGH FIVE!!!!

I suppose your assessment of "casual visitors" applies to more than the bulk of LIT members, on ANY forum. And based on recent political polls— I do not harbor high expectations of humanity, either. oh well.


BTW: I do appreciate your contributions and your mastery of design and composition and your technique, even if your particular focus does not appeal to me.

Thank you.

Not everything I do appeals to me either.

 

[SMNaughtywife]

This place baffles me at times. The playground (using this happy little place) is full of both visual and word play threads that are never die out. They definitely have their appeal to certain people and those individuals, rarely does anything sexual in manner come from their lips. I believe they have a strong friendship with many, enjoy the conversation and are quite comfortable being PG in an erotica environment. This of course doesn’t bother me and I think it’s splendid.

Now the visual corner here, what is allowed, who wants to see what and on and on, excellent question.
I’ll agree with Throbbs, I’m not a fan of the PS filters slapped on an image and then calling it art. Also, please take your pics to the AM thread too. (This request now has two tally marks.)
Does all the art need to be erotic in nature, I don’t think necessarily. But if that’s your thing, please draw and create away. I think what should be encouraged is conversation, feedback and constructive criticism. Leave the snarky shit for the GB board and put some thought into what you think or how a piece makes your feel. Art is a very broad topic and is left up to how one interprets an image. I’m not about to call up MOMA and tell them Pollock’s splatter paintings are shit and should be sent to the incinerator. That’s just me, but I’m sure someone has.
**looks around**
And if it needs to be erotic in nature, I'm so drawing some of my toys on a pedestal. Spot light and all. It will be magnificent.
Tolyk -- better start photographing some mushrooms.
Take it, leave it, just my thoughts.

 

[tolyk]

This place baffles me at times. The playground (using this happy little place) is full of both visual and word play threads that are never die out. They definitely have their appeal to certain people and those individuals, rarely does anything sexual in manner come from their lips. I believe they have a strong friendship with many, enjoy the conversation and are quite comfortable being PG in an erotica environment. This of course doesn’t bother me and I think it’s splendid.

Now the visual corner here, what is allowed, who wants to see what and on and on, excellent question.
I’ll agree with Throbbs, I’m not a fan of the PS filters slapped on an image and then calling it art. Also, please take your pics to the AM thread too. (This request now has two tally marks.)
Does all the art need to be erotic in nature, I don’t think necessarily. But if that’s your thing, please draw and create away. I think what should be encouraged is conversation, feedback and constructive criticism. Leave the snarky shit for the GB board and put some thought into what you think or how a piece makes your feel. Art is a very broad topic and is left up to how one interprets an image. I’m not about to call up MOMA and tell them Pollock’s splatter paintings are shit and should be sent to the incinerator. That’s just me, but I’m sure someone has.
**looks around**
And if it needs to be erotic in nature, I'm so drawing some of my toys on a pedestal. Spot light and all. It will be magnificent.
Tolyk -- better start photographing some mushrooms.
Take it, leave it, just my thoughts.

I have plenty of mushroom photos, I'll have you know. Both mushroom heads and actual mushrooms

I'm a landscape photographer. I enjoy capturing vistas. I do not enjoy photographing people, nor finding models willing to pose to do a shot that hundreds if not thousands of other people have already done. I enjoy looking at erotic work, both illustrations and photographs. I do not even enjoy capturing it as much. Couldn't even keep my own am pics thread alive. And I'm an exhibitionist!

I agree about there being a place for am pics already. Artsy photos are a different story, like TDs thread when she was active. Those were artistic and amazing and I'd of not felt them out of place here.

I also do not find my landscapes out of place here. But for me, it is slightly fulfilling of my exhibitionist desires to show off my landscapes.

 

[ifluke]

I have no idea what half the abbreviations are or what people are actually saying in this tortured thread.

Im only now aware there may be other visual sections where photos can also be shown. [ AM ? ]


If its an opinion wanted then this visual arts forum would indeed be tidier if there were sub division into photo/3d/and everything else instead of the current mix. Dont know what else to say, I am very much the outsider here.

 

[THROBBS]

I have no idea what half the abbreviations are or what people are actually saying in this tortured thread.

Im only now aware there may be other visual sections where photos can also be shown. [ AM ? ]


If its an opinion wanted then this visual arts forum would indeed be tidier if there were sub division into photo/3d/and everything else instead of the current mix. Dont know what else to say, I am very much the outsider here.

"am pics" is... the the "Amateur Pic Feedback" forum (nudie selfies basically)

MOMA (you probably recognize) as Museum Of Modern Art

TD is a LIT member...but I'm drawing a blank.. HAHHAHahahha drawing a blank...heh

"GB Board" is a redundancy for General Board Board, which tends to be somewhat less "warm" than other forums.


As for SECTIONS...I don't mind a bit of "chaos" here, it took YEARS to get a Forum (and it was at first a sub-forum of the Authors Hangout.

I am more concerned with how the "beta version of our (their) Adult Illustrations section" (not within the bulletin boards) is developing (or not progressing)

The voting function is not functioning. it is difficult to search, there is NO minimal standard of quality....anyway, at least it is there.

 

[ifluke]

Thanks for that.
I see what you mean
I had no idea there were other sections for art. I even have a 5 page sequential there collection cobwebs. Cecil & Carson. I assumed it was in a holding cupboard

Looking around there are some interesting pictures
Im a believer that you doesnt have to be conventionally skilled or slick in expressing one self, just purposeful... and anguished personal is double good.- you always know where you are with a public toilet door. there should be a statutory requiremnt for a pencil on a string.

I think the forum masters are missing an opportunity not developing the visual side further. .. it would be like rotting fruit for people like me

 

[THROBBS]

Thanks for that.
I see what you mean
I had no idea there were other sections for art. I even have a 5 page sequential there collection cobwebs. Cecil & Carson. I assumed it was in a holding cupboard

Looking around there are some interesting pictures
Im a believer that you doesnt have to be conventionally skilled or slick in expressing one self, just purposeful... and anguished personal is double good.- you always know where you are with a public toilet door. there should be a statutory requiremnt for a pencil on a string.

I think the forum masters are missing an opportunity not developing the visual side further. .. it would be like rotting fruit for people like me

I would suggest that they are not mutually exclusive qualities.
One can be "conventionally skilled or slick" and without "substance" (I think of Boris Vallejo) or one might be "conventionally skilled or slick" AND have substance (more like Frank Frazetta...though his work was less "slick" and more "painterly")

And the reverse... one can be "purposeful" (passionate) and that shines through as hmm... "primal" or "universally" communicative.

OR one might be "purposeful" and just be barfing out crap. Though, I suppose in those instances, the "purpose" tends to be more banal, rather than "from the heart" (or core).

I feel the best visual works have that "purposefullness" that you speak of AND some skill and mastery to convey that purpose/message.

 

[ifluke]

I wasnt expecting to be called out. I was writing for effect. but all the same, not wanting to eat my words -
you could say a slick skill is the person who learns a 'party piece' that which he can do very well and is more or less the same every time. Example..... St Francis of Bacon. He couldnt draw to save his arse ..and so what, he developed a routine, the contagion spread and soon miracles were testified too and I will smack the wrist of the first person to suggest he rode on the coat tails of his illustrious ancestor. I like his work – though I suspect chance played a big part and he had to trash a lot to maintain some consistency

Now Picasso he could draw but got bored - he realised buyers are really speculating suckers . So one day wondered if he could shove some crap out and see if it sticks and boy it did. He pronto realised his stock price would be fekked if he had to explain stuff so kept shtum. There was nothing to say anyway just a few cryptic fillers now and again. It was all glorious crap and soon became plumage for the rich and fawners and good for him I say.

Where was I

A conventional skill, we all know what that is - its acquired and looks like its suppose to. A dull artist work is usually on the nose. You read it in a second and decide if it has any merit/ depth. A better artist leaves blanks and an even better artist yet completely reverses the roles and the viewer becomes the artist [ though critics and opinion makers will attempt to usurp this mantle] but its really a private matter like who/what you fall in love with. I dont think I could ever get tired of Gustav Klimt easily worth half a dozen moaning lisa's

Art is saying the same old thing but in a new way If it wasnt we wouldnt be making more.
This day and age Words have become art so I incorporate that -its a bonus it cant be un read so should be used sparingly, spaam and propaganda is bad

Im making this up as I go along or I may have read it or it maybe divine interception or even inspiration what ever the right word. I dont care. Im getting fed up

I think your work is more honest then mine Throbbs. I happily lie, cheat and steal for no more then giggles
As for poor Mr Vallejo dismissed so easily and the ignominy of being found short against the ex Mr Frank Frezetta... [ cringe ]
From what I have seen they are/were both good commercial artists producing what contemporary fans wanted. A value judgement there that wont necessarily hold good tomorrow. Fickle fate

The rest about barfing crap- universal truth ect.. I dont know maybe a sentimental case of 'walking in that persons shoes' if it exists.
Because our intelligence /ability is a tool we use to get what we want – and who knows what that is person by person. A paradox is that people are most honest if they think they are not being watched thats where I expect to find treasures to engorge my greedy mean spirit.

I hope I can clown around like this on the scaffold when my time comes..

Eeek I think I even sound like my drawings.

 

[SquirtnBrat]

Pencil sketches from THROBBS.... I'm in!
Ifluke said "Art is saying the same old thing but in a new way If it wasnt we wouldnt be making more." I agree wholeheartedly. I am just an admirer. Not an artistic bone in my body unless you count my green thumb, but lit's art corner never fails to impress me with all their talent.
Oh... I want to see erotic art, btw. The kinkier the better.

 

[LadyVer]

I'd like to see some tasteful drawings of men over 40. Just saying.

 

[THROBBS]

Pencil sketches from THROBBS.... I'm in!
Ifluke said "Art is saying the same old thing but in a new way If it wasnt we wouldnt be making more." I agree wholeheartedly. I am just an admirer. Not an artistic bone in my body unless you count my green thumb, but lit's art corner never fails to impress me with all their talent.
Oh... I want to see erotic art, btw. The kinkier the better.

Thank you... there are plenty, not necessarily good and plenty, but plenty.

and quite a bit of kinky.
I hope to be able to squeeze more NEW work in.

 

[THROBBS]

I'd like to see some tasteful drawings of men over 40. Just saying.

"tasteful"?

hmmmm...

I have some, but the male subjects may be less than "ideal"...in shape/form/fitness....


Many of my not-so-tastefull drawings feature male protagonists (me) over 40

Okay. Posted, but only for a limited time.

 

[THROBBS]

I wasnt expecting to be called out. ...

I wasn't "calling you out", I was conversing on that topic.
A fascinating one.
I agree with quite a bit of what you say, at least how I decipher it.

 

[ifluke]

My apologies, I live in a shell, everybody calls me out

 

[THROBBS]

My apologies, I live in a shell, everybody calls me out

back in your shell!

egg shell?
turtle shell?

 

[ifluke]

As usual I was being pretentious, its actually a stone

 

[THROBBS]

As usual I was being pretentious, its actually a stone

You are a rock, you are an island?

 

[ifluke]

You are a rock, you are an island?

I am an over bearing self important troll looking for his next lunch,
put me out of my misery

 

[THROBBS]

I am an over bearing self important troll looking for his next lunch,
put me out of my misery

nah.
Will just hang out and keep you company.


misery loves that!

 

[SMNaughtywife]

nah.
Will just hang out and keep you company.


misery loves that!

Can we poke him with a pencil if he starts getting unruly? Or maybe a stylus, I don't want to come across too vicious.
Or maybe we'll kill him with kindness... oh I think he'll love that.

 

[BuckyDuckman]

I love visual artists so much I married one, so by association, I'll risk wading into a conversation where my voice may be perceived as an outsider. Still, I know my way around a sketchpad and darkroom, even if words are my usual stint.

Poser/3D Art. Gosh, I grow so tired of it. However, my wife has a friend who is a Disney artist. That friend, more accustomed to pen and ink, began exploring Poser in her spare time and I learned something special: Given the eye of an artist, Poser can be magical. It was more than the content of her work (often erotic), but the execution of it: Composition. Contrast. The illusion of stress, strain, or movement. Unfortunately, much of what I see presented through Poser comes across as little more than posed Barbie Dolls.

I would clump Frazetta and Vallejo into the same category as graphic novels. (Vampirella anyone?) I'm unsure why commercially produced art (let's toss in Rockwell for fun) is so often dismissed. Even goofy comics like "Little Annie Fanny" have a place for bringing joy.

For years, my wife and I would argue to answer the question "But is it art?" and more specifically, "What IS art?" I'll offer my favorite definition:

"Art is emotion. Emotion is truth. Art is truth."​

I believe, if the art doesn't elicit an emotional reaction, it's nothing more than pretty or interesting. It's not a one-size-fits-most proposition. Not every viewer should feel "moved" by a piece of work, however, that should be the artist's intention. Go ahead and practice your skills drawing or painting a still life or landscape, but if the end result is nothing more than a pretty picture devoid of emotion, of what value is it beyond the exercise of its creation?

As for what I would like to see rendered artistically, more specifically, something befitting of a site calling itself Literotica.com? Erect male members. (Okay, stop giggling!) For centuries, women have been portrayed in various erotic or suggestive poses while men have mostly been shown with their private parts covered, obscured, or flaccid. Apparently, showing a man erect is too sexual for general consumption while showing a woman in the act of touching herself isn't? Hogwash! I believe there is beauty waiting to be discovered that is seldom presented.

Okay, you got my two-cents worth. Guess I'll step down from this soapbox that has magically attached itself to my feet. (Stupid soapboxes!)

 

[ifluke]

Thank you for the welcome.
I look in now and again but if I have nothing to say or have come to mind......with an infinitely heavy heart, I go away.


Some famous geezer said that 'art is what the artist says it is' Cant argue with that can you

"Art is emotion. Emotion is truth. Art is truth."

Personally I dont recognize or maybe properly understand the above. Is it a moral lesson. Does an actor fake it and if so how is that truth.
I love garish/happy/ full of strength and goodness communist propaganda posters and North Korean posters are dead edgy. I hope one day they get the joke too. But to another society the message is rubbish.

Commercial art
I will go out on a limb and suggest every artist that wants to make a living more or less succumbs to being a commercial artist soon as they can find their gimmick/shtick. But a trades man works to a brief and is expected to be of a trading standard and work to a deadline.

Id say generally speaking art reflects who you are and who your friends are. That is an artists constituency and support with out which you are homeless..doomed to wander the web ever more looking for approval
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