Christians fined for NOT baking cake! Muslims awarded for NOT delivering beer

[Iceprincess12]

Good morning!


Made my day...

You are way too easy then

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Well, I have to get up early and go into work.



That is not all that conducive to a positive frame of mind...

 

[hazbeen]

All this is going on

AND

No one dares stand up

 

[Iceprincess12]

Well, I have to get up early and go into work.



That is not all that conducive to a positive frame of mind...

Being positive, hmm. I call myth!

Have a good day.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I will do my best.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

proof that liberals are fucking retarded

 

[hazbeen]

 

[Aella_]

Being part of a rite is. That is what was being demanded of the bakers and the photographers. Driving a truck with beer in it is not a religious gateway to a rite unless your last stop of the day is a Frat House...

Good point.

 

[Aella_]

proof that liberals are fucking RETARDED

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Good point.

Danke

 

[hazbeen]

Danke

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

What's the Jew word for that?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I got it!

Вы

 

[Aella_]

Isn't it ironic that they call BB a bigot and a racist, yet some of his fans are those who are not part of the majority?
Judging from Iceprincess12's av, and from what 4est told me, and from the fact that I am an immigrant who Did encounter xenophobic attitudes at one point in the remote past..

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I grew up when John Wayne Westerns and Rat Patrol were the popular viewing shows...

Half of the time we played Cowboys and Indians and half of the time we played Germans and GIs and because I was Indian-German, I was required to get my ass kicked no matter what game we were playing...

I had to learn to die a inglorious death at the hands of my white Catholic neighbors.

 

[hazbeen]

and yet you are here

to torment

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[about_average]

Leaving aside the more emotional issues (ideologies etc.) and the HILARITY of the thread title:
I struggled to find an argument to defend their decision, (aka why favor one religious group, over another)?

But then I came across this article - and the argument is spelled out right in the title:
"Baking a cake is not a religious principle."
www.dailykos.com/story/2015/04/01/1374889/-Baking-a-cake-is-not-a-religious-principle

The most obvious thing, so obviously lost on HB, is that if you're running a business you can't discriminate between customers and you have to make reasonable accommodations for employee's religious beliefs. Two completely different situations.
One was customers who claimed discrimination and the other was employees. Different laws.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Yes, half of me wants to put you in an oven and the other half thinks that we are THE lost tribe.

 

[Aella_]

The most obvious thing, so obviously lost on HB, is that if you're running a business you can't discriminate between customers and you have to make reasonable accommodations for employee's religious beliefs. Two completely different situations.
One was customers who claimed discrimination and the other was employees. Different laws.

I did not understand entirely your pov.
Would you mind elaborating on that by applying what you said to the specifics of each case?
Ta

 

[hazbeen]

The most obvious thing, so obviously lost on HB, is that if you're running a business you can't discriminate between customers and you have to make reasonable accommodations for employee's religious beliefs. Two completely different situations.
One was customers who claimed discrimination and the other was employees. Different laws.

Muslimification of America

 

[about_average]

I did not understand entirely your pov.
Would you mind elaborating on that by applying what you said to the specifics of each case?
Ta

If you're running a business you can't say "I won't sell my products to this class of people". i.e., you can't post a sign in your shop window, "No coloreds"

If you run a business with employees you have to make reasonable (not causing undue hardship for the company) accommodations for religious convictions, i.e., not working on Easter for devout Christians, or the like.

I'm assuming HB was referring to the wedding cake store, an example of the first.
The trucking company is an example of the second.
If every single delivery customer received alcohol as part of a regular delivery then it would probably have been legal to fire them because to accommodate them would require a separate delivery for booze and so likely significantly increase costs (a hardship).
If some routes had booze and some didn't, they could just assign them to a no booze route. It sounds like the latter was the case and what they should have done.

", "Our investigation revealed that Star could have readily avoided assigning these employees to alcohol delivery without any undue hardship, but chose to force the issue despite the employees' Islamic religion.""​

http://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/newsroom/release/5-29-13.cfm

 

[NYC_Man]

Should be a heads up to companies not to hire religious people.


Illogical world

 

[Aella_]

If you're running a business you can't say "I won't sell my products to this class of people". i.e., you can't post a sign in your shop window, "No coloreds"

If you run a business with employees you have to make reasonable (not causing undue hardship for the company) accommodations for religious convictions, i.e., not working on Easter for devout Christians, or the like.

I'm assuming HB was referring to the wedding cake store, an example of the first.
The trucking company is an example of the second.
If every single delivery customer received alcohol as part of a regular delivery then it would probably have been legal to fire them because to accommodate them would require a separate delivery for booze and so likely significantly increase costs (a hardship).
If some routes had booze and some didn't, they could just assign them to a no booze route. It sounds like the latter was the case and what they should have done.

", "Our investigation revealed that Star could have readily avoided assigning these employees to alcohol delivery without any undue hardship, but chose to force the issue despite the employees' Islamic religion.""​

http://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/newsroom/release/5-29-13.cfm

Got it, thx. Makes a lot more sense to me now, why, in both cases, the ultimate Court decisions were fair

Should be a heads up to companies not to hire religious people.
Illogical world

And this is, by far, the winner.

 

[about_average]

Should be a heads up to companies not to hire religious people.

Why? Companies make accommodations all the time for religious beliefs.

 

[NYC_Man]

Why? Companies make accommodations all the time for religious beliefs.

In February 1992, Stella Liebeck ordered a cup of coffee to go from McDonalds. Liebeck was sitting in the passenger seat of her nephew's car, which was pulled over so she could add sugar to her coffee. While removing the cup's lid, Liebeck spilled her hot coffee, burning her legs. It was determined that Liebeck suffered third degree burns on over six percent of her body. Originally, Liebeck sought $20,000 in damages. McDonalds refused to settle out of court. However, they should have. Liebeck was ultimately awarded $200,000 in compensatory damages, which was reduced to $160,000 because she was found to be twenty percent at fault. She was also awarded $2.7 million in punitive damages.


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