Question for bernie supporters

[roxs12ems]

I have seen a lot from bernie and really like about 80% of what he has to say, but I have heard nothing from him on the topic of illegal immigration into the US and his plans to deal with it. Does anyone know where he stands or is he avoiding the issue?

Thanks

 

[The_Trouvere]

I like Bernie Sanders too. My fear is that he favors amnesty for the illegals, and fewer restrictions on legal immigration.

A high rate of immigration conflicts with nearly everything else liberals want to achieve. A heterogeneous work force is more difficult to organize into labor unions than a homogeneous work force. More immigrants depress wages and inflate prices. More immigrants deplete the environment. As more non whites move to the United States more lower income whites vote Republican.

 

[Aglaopheme]

https://berniesanders.com/issues/fair-and-humane-immigration-policy/

 

[NOIRTRASH]

The danger for all illegal champions is: They come across as lobbyists for illegals and meh for everyone else. The question every American asks is: Who's looking out for me? So far the answer is, no one.

 

[Aglaopheme]

"Me" is a dying breed. Get used to it.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I like Bernie Sanders too. My fear is that he favors amnesty for the illegals, and fewer restrictions on legal immigration.

A high rate of immigration conflicts with nearly everything else liberals want to achieve. A heterogeneous work force is more difficult to organize into labor unions than a homogeneous work force. More immigrants depress wages and inflate prices. More immigrants deplete the environment. As more non whites move to the United States more lower income whites vote Republican.

I don't think Bernie (or realistically anybody in either party of any significance) favors amnesty for illegals. That shit's just not happening and no amount of a president wanting it will change that fact. As for fewer restrictions that's a case by case basis but clearly our current system isn't really working for anybody.

Unions were killed primarily by the government. I agree it's easier to get (whites) to ally with themselves but there are other more important barriers than this one to break down. Yes immigrants depress wages but you know we have laws for that and the Industrial Revolution and Great Depression managed to sink wages just fine with minimal immigrant help. Getting the rich in line will solve MOST of this problem. I'd be curious to see how much immigrants actually inflate prices. It sounds like one of those things that's 'common sense' but doesn't actually happen. As for more lower income whites moving to vote Republican I doubt that matters (even if it's true long term. Most of us predict that the REpublicans are going to need to rethink their strategy pretty soon.) but oh no! The five white guys in Alabama voting D are gonna. . .oh wait effect shit all.

The danger for all illegal champions is: They come across as lobbyists for illegals and meh for everyone else. The question every American asks is: Who's looking out for me? So far the answer is, no one.

Who are these illegal champions?

Most lobbyists of any sort of are meh for anybody who isn't in their club. That's what being a lobbyist is. As for who's looking out for you that starts with defining what you want precisely. We are often far too vague on this.

Bernie sure as fuck seems to be out for me. Rand Paul seems to mostly be out for me. Hillary Clinton certainly isn't against me. Chris Christie is mostly on my side as well.

 

[dan_c00000]

I don't think Bernie (or realistically anybody in either party of any significance) favors amnesty for illegals.

If you exclude Saint Reagan and Obama then no major party has supported amnesty.

Also, Rubio's plan called for amnesty or some pathway to citizenship before the racists of his party made him blow it up.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I would exclude both of them for practical purposes. Reagan mostly understood the realities of the situation and had no good options. And whether you blame him or blame the Democrats we never did properly secure the border. (Though an argument can be made that our stricter immigration laws had the exact opposite effect of what we actually wanted.)

Obama on the other hand has been fairly good on enforcement as long as we are comparing him to his peers. Remind me of the huge months long battle Obama's had over amnesty or for that matter the many impassioned speeches.

I'm also not throwing Bush II on the and he along with McCain made what could be considered genuine efforts towards it.

Amnesty is going to happen sooner or later. That's just the reality. However nobody is thrilled about it.

If we really want to solve the problem it's simple. Start nailing the ever loving piss out of employers to the point where the risk is so much greater than the reward that nobody will do it.

 

[mark_j]

If we really want to solve the problem it's simple. Start nailing the ever loving piss out of employers to the point where the risk is so much greater than the reward that nobody will do it.

Wasn't that what the whole I-9 verification process was supposed to do? Funny how that doesn't get enforced like it should have been and it has been in place since the mid 80s.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Wasn't that what the whole I-9 verification process was supposed to do? Funny how that doesn't get enforced like it should have been and it has been in place since the mid 80s.

Then keep trying till it works and find out why this one isn't working. Simple math tells you it's gonna be easier and more effective to nail employers than employees. That's not even up for rational debate.

What can be questioned is what precisely I-9 verification was intended to accomplish, what it is accomplishing and what we want. And I honestly don't have the answers to those off the top of my head but I'll see what I can learn.

 

[mark_j]

Then keep trying till it works and find out why this one isn't working.

It isn't working because it isn't enforced. Granted, back in the day it wasn't as easy to verify the information presented as it is now but it wasn't impossible.

Simple math tells you it's gonna be easier and more effective to nail employers than employees. That's not even up for rational debate.

Again, the real question is why is it not enforced?

What can be questioned is what precisely I-9 verification was intended to accomplish, what it is accomplishing and what we want. And I honestly don't have the answers to those off the top of my head but I'll see what I can learn.

The idea was to verify that the employee had the proper documentation to legally work in the US and that the employer had checked to make sure that the employee possessed said legal documentation instead of just "penciling it off".

Of course this doesn't work on an employee who works under the table.