UK politics? What?

[JackLuis]

20 Year Old Female Scottish Politician Goes Braveheart on UK Conservative Government


I have no idea what the hell she is saying, but she looks like she's a fighter.

I suppose she's a progressive? Ogg, what's she on about?

There are rarely times when you get to see a political figure so real and so talented that your jaw literally hits the floor. Watching Mhairi Black, a 20 year old Scottish National Party member deliver an emotionally raw, fierce maiden speech in Parliament eviscerating the Conservative government truly was a sight to behold.

Skillfully attacking David Cameron’s vicious policies of austerity and denouncing the Labour Party’s drift rightwards, Black gave what has to be one of the finest speeches of someone her age in history. Even throwing in a William Wallace reference for good measure, Black, the youngest MP in British history, has announced herself on the world political scene in serious, serious style:

 

[Liar]

SNP is pretty much social democrats, slightly left of Labour iirc.

And Cameron is a twat.

 

[JackLuis]

SNP is pretty much social democrats, slightly left of Labour iirc.

And Cameron is a twat.

Good, the old country needs new blunt blood.

 

[about_average]

A very emotional speech. I have a friend who works with the unemployed in Northumberland helping them find work and here a lot of the same stuff Mhairi was talking about.

 

[oggbashan]

20 Year Old Female Scottish Politician Goes Braveheart on UK Conservative Government


I have no idea what the hell she is saying, but she looks like she's a fighter.

I suppose she's a progressive? Ogg, what's she on about?

The SNP are anti-austerity, for some socialist programmes, but more importantly for Scottish independence.

Their success in the Westminster parliamentary elections has made them the almost unanimous choice of the Scottish electorate. Before the SNP, Labour dominated Scotland on a tradition of voting by people from the old heavy industries. There were a few Conservatives and Liberal Democrats, but the majority were Labour.

Yet the values of the Labour Party in Scotland were not those of the Labour Party at Westminster. Scottish Labour was old-style - support the workers and unions, bash the rich. The larger Labour Party tried to change Scottish Labour to be more centrist; to support wealth creation and move away from government intervention. They failed. They annoyed their traditional supporters and didn't win any new ones.

The SNP now have a whole set of newbies. They are asking 'Why does it have to be like this?' and 'Has the Emperor got any clothes'. They are challenging the Westminster establishment and its traditions daily.

They also have many people who are completely new to politics, who have had normal working lives without inherited wealth or status.

Like most newbies anywhere, they will make mistakes as they learn what is and is not possible. They will try to reinvent the wheel.

Whether the SNP is a good thing for Scotland in the longer term? Or a good thing for Westminster? Only time will tell but they will challenge the establishment loudly and often.

Washington could do with an SNP to challenge the dinosaurs of both parties; to ask 'Why do you do this?'; 'Why can't you accept that the other side has good ideas'; and why is politics so adversarial?

Mhairi is good. That is why she was elected. The people of her constituency recognised a fighter in the old-style Scots tradition.

 

[JackLuis]

The SNP are anti-austerity, for some socialist programmes, but more importantly for Scottish independence.
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Washington could do with an SNP to challenge the dinosaurs of both parties; to ask 'Why do you do this?'; 'Why can't you accept that the other side has good ideas'; and why is politics so adversarial?

Mhairi is good. That is why she was elected. The people of her constituency recognised a fighter in the old-style Scots tradition.

Thanks Ogg. I have a hard enough time understanding UK politics, but her accent made her an enigma to me. Too much unmoderated gunfire has effected my hearing.

 

[oggbashan]

Thanks Ogg. I have a hard enough time understanding UK politics, but her accent made her an enigma to me. Too much unmoderated gunfire has effected my hearing.

I have trouble with US TV shows and movies. My hearing was affected by the same cause and working in a noisy shipyard environment.

 

[JackLuis]

I have trouble with US TV shows and movies. My hearing was affected by the same cause and working in a noisy shipyard environment.

Chipping hammers always rattling on the Deck houses, and rattling cranes! I spent two years in the yards in San Pedro, after Nam. Glad I moved on from that shit.

 

[Benedict_Arnold]

Good, the old country needs new blunt blood.

The Scotch nationalists are all piss and wind. I wish they'd just fuck off and get independence Its easy being an opposition party whining and bleating all the time and not actually doing anything.

 

[thelaughingcat]

Yay! A UK politics thread! There's enough of us from the UK to make this fun.

I'm English Lib Dem and I love the SNP - they now hold a significant balance of power without being forced to the compromises they would have in a coalition - lucky sods! It will be interesting to see how they use it after Labour have finished their overblown playground squabbles in a couple of weeks!

Sturgeon does vaguely irritate me but I can see Mhairi going far if she keeps her head abput her and doesn't start believing her own hype.

I'm no Socialist, but even I can see how disproportionate this 'austerity' is. We need some balance.

 

[oggbashan]

The Scotch nationalists are all piss and wind. I wish they'd just fuck off and get independence Its easy being an opposition party whining and bleating all the time and not actually doing anything.

They're NOT the opposition party in the Scottish Parliament. They are the majority administration.

 

[flyingtinopener]

Sturgeon and Salmon

There,s something fishy about this pair, the pair of them should be charged with treason " actions designed to bring down the state" this still carries the death penalty.
And after trying and failing in their quest for independence Salmon dosen,t stand for the scots parliament, oh no he takes a seat in Westminster, the very house he was trying to bring down.
Thankfully now, both he and Sturgeon are irrelevant, they don,t hold the balance of power they expected, I bet Sturgeon was spitting feathers over that.
Time you pissed off home Salmon, we don,t need you down here.

 

[oggbashan]

There,s something fishy about this pair, the pair of them should be charged with treason " actions designed to bring down the state" this still carries the death penalty.
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Sorry. There is no death penalty for any crime in the UK. The last death penalties were abolished in 1998.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_United_Kingdom

 

[flyingtinopener]

Sorry. There is no death penalty for any crime in the UK. The last death penalties were abolished in 1998.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_United_Kingdom

You are right, I was out of date, so life will do.

 

[Hard_Rom]

She's very good. An excellent first time standing. Could do with a few like her in Canadian politics.

 

[Benedict_Arnold]

They're NOT the opposition party in the Scottish Parliament. They are the majority administration.

Fair enough but they did not get independence they wanted because the scottish electorate 'bottled it'. and so are still acting like an opposition party i.e blaming Westminster for everything that goes wrong.

I wish we could get rid of Scotland, N.Oireland and Wales buit being English we have no say in the matter.

 

[Benedict_Arnold]

You are right, I was out of date, so life will do.

We could always bring it back for treason, terrorism and paedophilia but I expect the usual hand wringing Guardian reading idiots in the libertal left establishment wouldn't want that.

 

[Messier82]

Or people who understand the our justice system can and does make mistakes, eg the Guildford Four or Barry George to name two cases off the top of my head.

No one who has ever been falsely accused of a serious crime would ever support a death penalty, there's far too much corruption and/or incompetence still in existence.

 

[Benedict_Arnold]

Or people who understand the our justice system can and does make mistakes, eg the Guildford Four or Barry George to name two cases off the top of my head.

No one who has ever been falsely accused of a serious crime would ever support a death penalty, there's far too much corruption and/or incompetence still in existence.

How many people would have been saved if a deterrent had been in place over the years?.

Barry George was an idiot who was stitched up th Guildford Four were members of the IRA and deserved everything they got whether they planted the bomb or not. Those people who were slaughtered in Guildford were innocent too.

 

[Messier82]

th Guildford Four were members of the IRA and deserved everything they got whether they planted the bomb or not. Those people who were slaughtered in Guildford were innocent too.

They were accused of being IRA members, there was never any evidence then or now that they were.

 

[Benedict_Arnold]

They were accused of being IRA members, there was never any evidence then or now that they were.

They very,very,very probably were.

 

[flyingtinopener]

The death penalty

We could always bring it back for treason, terrorism and paedophilia but I expect the usual hand wringing Guardian reading idiots in the libertal left establishment wouldn't want that.

That's the trouble, to many limp wristed liberals about.
lets start a list, if we could bring it back, and back date it who should we hang, let me start, Ian Huntley, who killed those two young girls, Martin Mcguiness, Jerry Adams, who,s next

 

[oggbashan]

We could always bring it back for treason, terrorism and paedophilia but I expect the usual hand wringing Guardian reading idiots in the libertal left establishment wouldn't want that.

It's not the Guardian readers who are the obstacle. It is the members of Parliament who have a free vote on the issue. Since the first reduction in crimes possibly punishable by the death penalty there has never been more than a small minority who would vote for bringing it back.

 

[Benedict_Arnold]

It's not the Guardian readers who are the obstacle. It is the members of Parliament who have a free vote on the issue. Since the first reduction in crimes possibly punishable by the death penalty there has never been more than a small minority who would vote for bringing it back.

You know what Oggbashan if they'd set whole life terms for crimes of murder I would be happy with with that but they don't, either because the bleeding hearts in the establishment say its barbaric and all prisoners deserve some hope of parole or the government are just too stingy to invest in more prisons and longer sentences. So you end up with prisoners sent down for life out on parole after maybe 10 years ,with the last 5 being in a noddy type center parcs prison with Sky TV and tennis courts.

When they abolished capital punishment in 1965 they said murderers would get whole life sentences, but they the establishment lied as usual.