The concept is morally justified. It is not applied fairly. I believe it could be a proper deterrent, if only to the perpetrator. That's enough as far as I'm concerned. It takes too long to carry out. 18-20 years after the crime is too long. That could be considered ineffective and cruel. I support the death penalty for certain crimes, but not how it is applied now. That man who killed all those people in Colorado deserved it. If he doesn't get it, there's no point in having it. The woman in Georgia who contracted her husband's murder deserved it, but so did the actual hit man. Not fair.
Capital Punishment
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Would you be willing to go explore for an existence that is fair, and not report back until you find it?
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Its an industry that keeps many lawyers in jobs and enriches enough of the elites.
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When the UK had capital punishment, it was originally a rule that a condemned prisoner could not be held for more than two weeks before execution - including all appeal processes.
Even towards the end of capital punishment, appeals rarely took as long as six months.
We didn't have a Death Row. We had a Death Cell. We didn't need a Row - no one was held long enough for there to be a queue for the executioner.
Even towards the end of capital punishment, appeals rarely took as long as six months.
We didn't have a Death Row. We had a Death Cell. We didn't need a Row - no one was held long enough for there to be a queue for the executioner.
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I do not think that it is even morally justified.
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Capital punishment is barbaric. We kill people because we want revenge. It has been shown over and over again that it is not a deterrent and it does not bring closure to victim families even though that isn't supposed to be part of our justice system anyway.
Maximum security in a supermax is all we need. It keeps them in, nobody ever wants to go to one and they'll wish they were dead.
Maximum security in a supermax is all we need. It keeps them in, nobody ever wants to go to one and they'll wish they were dead.
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Incarceration is far cheaper than our appeals process.
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You present this as a statement of fact. It is not. It is your opinion.
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When I was a young man I attended a murder trial in Glasgow just to see what happened. The accused pled guilty (He shot his wife after failing to pay someone else to do it - he also stole her money) The procedure took less than half an hour; he was sentenced to death and executed 10 days later.
I was impressed by how calm courteous and civilized everyone was, including the accused. It would have been latish 1950's.
There were no protests on the day he was hanged. A friend observed: "The anti hanging lobby is definitely anti - but not to the extent that they will turn out to protest in Glasgow at 8 am. on a cold January morning."
I was impressed by how calm courteous and civilized everyone was, including the accused. It would have been latish 1950's.
There were no protests on the day he was hanged. A friend observed: "The anti hanging lobby is definitely anti - but not to the extent that they will turn out to protest in Glasgow at 8 am. on a cold January morning."
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OK, I may be a redneck, but I am very pro capital punishment. Very. As in, I believe it should be used early, often, and for one hell of a lot more crimes.
As such, I completely disagree with the part above I highlighted. The rest of this statement I can agree with, but I disagree with the deterrent portion. Always have. When and where public executions were the norm, I cannot believe there was not a deterrent aspect. Watching someone die for a crime is not a deterrent to doing that crime? Who are these incredibly stupid people who say to themselves, "Oh I may be executed for this, but I don't care." I call bullshit.
Prison is a better deterrent? Really Bullshit.
If nothing else, early and often execution keeps the prison population down and therefore reduces the cost. Fewer people in prison are less costly than more of them. Simple economics.
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Youre right. If executions don't deter crime group hugs don't have a prayer for changing hearts and minds.
It does not deter because 90% of killings are not crimes of thinking. They are illogical events, almost immediately regretted by the criminal. Not because of the penalty, but because of the event itself. The rest are hardened criminals who believe they are outside the law; that the law won't ever catch them and if it does, their mighty friends and allies will free them.
Murderers are not logical people, they do not see penalty in the same manner that you or I might. And should some event in my life make murder appear necessary, I probably would lose my logical ability as well.
No one stops to think, "Gee if I make this late turn on Red, I might get a reckless driving citation." You make the turn and only regret it if caught.
No one stops to think, "I might get sent to death row if I kill my wife." They simply bash her head, she dies and then when the detectives show up with the cuffs, they say, "I didn't mean to do it."
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Word up.
Same thing they taught us in the Marines. A murderer is a one-off, but a thief is forever, a cancer on the unit and should be treated much more harshly...
Same thing they taught us in the Marines. A murderer is a one-off, but a thief is forever, a cancer on the unit and should be treated much more harshly...
It is definitely a deterrent to the executed.
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No, it is merely an act of mindless revenge.
And that matters so much for the rest of society.
If the death penalty deters, why after 4000 years of it, do we still have capital crime?
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It also decreases the chance of the fucker doing it again.
This is why in Ancient Danelaw that a thief was jailed or branded for the first offense and killed for the second. Once a thief, always a thief.
Murders could be paid off in wergild in many societies.
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Especially if he was innocent...
But hey, if murder is your moral high ground, then taking out a few innocents is a moral act. It really doubles down on the deterrent effect.
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Well said.
Do you think the lady who got executed in Georgia was innocent?Especially if he was innocent...
But hey, if murder is your moral high ground, then taking out a few innocents is a moral act. It really doubles down on the deterrent effect.
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