The White Knight

[Lancecastor]

Discuss.

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Hi! I represent your fear that if you don't trick a woman into loving you, you'll die alone!

"What Is White Knight Syndrome?

White Knights are a subset of the classic Nice Guy, with a twist. Where a Nice Guy is passive, hoping that mere proximity and obsequiousness will eventually win a woman’s heart, a White Knight is active, working to “rescue” a woman in “distress”.

White Knights are attracted to “endangered” women, usually women with emotional issues or ones who have histories of abuse, trauma or addiction issues.

They frequently have an overly idealized and romanticized vision of the women they focus on, and see them as impossibly pure and good.

Similarly, White Knights see themselves as having only the purest of motivations, hoping to “save” women out of a sense of heroic altruism and expecting no reward other than the deed itself.

They are, of course, lying to themselves.

White Knights are frequently virgins or have had very few serious relationships.

They frequently have little experience with attracting or dating women and often try to compensate for a lack of game by adopting an antiquated and romanticized code of chivalry instead, with an emphasis on treating women with respect and deference.

The White Knight has severe issues with self-worth; he feels that he has little to offer to a woman, so he hopes to prove his worthiness by “rescuing” her instead."

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Did you have to go with a Templar motif?



The best way to draw them out into the desert is to discuss abortion...

 

[Lancecastor]

Wasn't that Phrodeau's AV....?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Well talk about abortion and he runs to their Emotional Rescue...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iw_BE_X9sA

It's what Liberals do.

 

[Riles]

You forgot the part where things turn nasty when the WK discovers his efforts are for naught.

 

[parodyluvr75]

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...08/rescuing-yourself-rescuing-relationships-8

I think women suffer from it more than men.

Also the term nice guy makes me cringe especially when it's self-appointed.

 

[PoppingTom]

Also the term nice guy makes me cringe especially when it's self-appointed.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140227150755/voiceacting/images/4/42/Mr._Nice_Guy_1997_DVD_Cover.jpg

 

[Lancecastor]

I think the GB is full of white knoght/nice guys.

Which iz why this thread wont go anywhere, but a thread about hf1's "beatings" will.

 

[Aella_]

jealous?

 

[Que]

You forgot the part where things turn nasty when the WK discovers his efforts are for naught.

Always.

 

[oggbashan]

White Knights, male or female, believe they can take someone out of a bad situation and change lives for the better.

They can't. Only the individual can decide to change themselves and their situation. The best a White Knight can do is help someone to change themselves. But then the White Knight is a reminder of the individual's worst time. Gratitude doesn't become love.

If the change is successful, all the White Knight can do is ride sadly into the sunset.

 

[Aella_]

Que (psychoanalysis) and oggbashan (analysis in literature)...
This thread will go just the way the OP wanted…

 

[Sean]

Que (psychoanalytic interpretation) and oggbashan (literature interpretations).
This thread will go just the way the OP wanted…

Shut up, Dishrag.

 

[Aella_]

Shut up, Dishrag.

your best nickname (my turn) would be JackAsJim or PoppingTom
You pop out of nowwhere then duck'n go

 

[Sean]

your best nickname (my turn) would be JackAsJim or PoppingTom
You pop out of nowwhere then duck'n go

You really are Garbage Can dumb, aren't you, Dishrag?

 

[oggbashan]

Eventually The White Knight meets La Belle Dame Sans Merci, and he's toast:

http://englishesf.wikispaces.com/file/view/LaBelleStudy-WaterhouseLarger3.jpg/103901819/LaBelleStudy-WaterhouseLarger3.jpg

 

[Saint Peter]

And no birds sing.

 

[parodyluvr75]

I don't know. I have a pretty specific definition of a 'self-appointed nice guy.' I guess it depends on how you define it? White Knight is something I see as someone who tries to rescue or fix others. A pure act of futility if the person doesn't want to be rescued, also pretty presumptuous to think you know better than what a person knows about what they want.

I don't see HF at someone who needs to be fixed or rescued. She embraces what she likes.

It's not my thing but I'm not her mommy. I've gotten some pretty nasty bruises from vanilla sex in unusual locales and hickeys that looked pretty bad. Got pretty badly bruised playing contact sports with people a lot bigger than me.

I'm sure other people thought I was crazy, that was their problem not mine. But I am also sure if I was a guy and not a gal, nobody would have thought anything of it.

If I go by the definition of white knight listed, I think the guys stepping up to defend her is more about her being sweet chick and that they feel she has the right to freak anyway she wants. As far as the others I think it's anything ranging from genuine concern, a chance to bash someone they don't like, to wanting to make a drama. In the end she's going to keep doing what's she likes and no one's mind will be changed.

Another act of futility.

 

[doctor_insanus]

I don't think she needs protecting; she seems completely at-ease with who she is.

What I can't stand is the attempt at bullying and shaming her into defending her choices. She doesn't owe any of us an explanation.

If that makes me a white knight... *shrug* I have no motives.

 

[Aella_]

Now I don't think this thread was aimed at 1HF. I think the OP just threw it in to stir some shit D) and for laughs

 

[ToPleaseHim]

Now I don't think this thread was aimed at 1HF. I think the OP just threw it in to stir some shit D) and for laughs

It's not aimed at her, of course. Lancecastor would not be calling her a white knight. She must be the damsel in supposed distress in this scenario.

 

[snugglestruggle]

Why can't she be the Wk and KS be the damsel? He admitted to wearing a dress in the thread. She's good at climbing trees and stuff too.

 

[jezzilee]

This thread reminded me of something I found and posted on a board a long time ago. A board that no longer exists. I posted this and got blasted from a lot of guys. I found it interesting and wondered what guys (nice guys so lots of you GB'ers probably wont have an opinion ) thought of it...

Ode to the Nice Guys
This rant was written for the Wharton Undergraduate Journal

This is a tribute to the nice guys. The nice guys that finish last, that never become more than friends, that endure hours of whining and bitching about what assholes guys are, while disproving the very point. This is dedicated to those guys who always provide a shoulder to lean on but restrain themselves to tentative hugs, those guys who hold open doors and give reassuring pats on the back and sit patiently outside the changing room at department stores. This is in honor of the guys that obligingly reiterate how cute/beautiful/smart/funny/sexy their female friends are at the appropriate moment, because they know most girls need that litany of support. This is in honor of the guys with open minds, with laid-back attitudes, with honest concern. This is in honor of the guys who respect a girl’s every facet, from her privacy to her theology to her clothing style.

This is for the guys who escort their drunk, bewildered female friends back from parties and never take advantage once they’re at her door, for the guys who accompany girls to bars as buffers against the rest of the creepy male population, for the guys who know a girl is fishing for compliments but give them out anyway, for the guys who always play by the rules in a game where the rules favor cheaters, for the guys who are accredited as boyfriend material but somehow don’t end up being boyfriends, for all the nice guys who are overlooked, underestimated, and unappreciated, for all the nice guys who are manipulated, misled, and unjustly abandoned, this is for you.

This is for that time she left 40 urgent messages on your cell phone, and when you called her back, she spent three hours painstakingly dissecting two sentences her boyfriend said to her over dinner. And even though you thought her boyfriend was a chump and a jerk, you assured her that it was all ok and she shouldn’t worry about it. This is for that time she interrupted the best killing spree you’d ever orchestrated in GTA3 to rant about a rumor that romantically linked her and the guy she thinks is the most repulsive person in the world. And even though you thought it was immature and you had nothing against the guy, you paused the game for two hours and helped her concoct a counter-rumor to spread around the floor. This is also for that time she didn’t have a date, so after numerous vows that there was nothing “serious” between the two of you, she dragged you to a party where you knew nobody, the beer was awful, and she flirted shamelessly with you, justifying each fit of reckless teasing by announcing to everyone: “oh, but we’re just friends!” And even though you were invited purely as a symbolic warm body for her ego, you went anyways. Because you’re nice like that.

The nice guys don’t often get credit where credit is due. And perhaps more disturbing, the nice guys don’t seem to get laid as often as they should. And I wish I could logically explain this trend, but I can’t. From what I have observed on campus and what I have learned from talking to friends at other schools and in the workplace, the only conclusion I can form is that many girls are just illogical, manipulative bitches. Many of them claim they just want to date a nice guy, but when presented with such a specimen, they say irrational, confusing things such as “oh, he’s too nice to date” or “he would be a good boyfriend but he’s not for me” or “he already puts up with so much from me, I couldn’t possibly ask him out!” or the most frustrating of all: “no, it would ruin our friendship.” Yet, they continue to lament the lack of datable men in the world, and they expect their too-nice-to-date male friends to sympathize and apologize for the men that are jerks. Sorry, guys, girls like that are beyond my ability to fathom. I can’t figure out why the connection breaks down between what they say (I want a nice guy!) and what they do (I’m going to sleep with this complete ass now!). But one thing I can do, is say that the nice-guy-finishes-last phenomenon doesn’t last forever. There are definitely many girls who grow out of that train of thought and realize they should be dating the nice guys, not taking them for granted. The tricky part is finding those girls, and even trickier, finding the ones that are single.

So, until those girls are found, I propose a toast to all the nice guys. You know who you are, and I know you’re sick of hearing yourself described as ubiquitously nice. But the truth of the matter is, the world needs your patience in the department store, your holding open of doors, your party escorting services, your propensity to be a sucker for a pretty smile. For all the crazy, inane, absurd things you tolerate, for all the situations where you are the faceless, nameless hero, my accolades, my acknowledgement, and my gratitude go out to you. You do have credibility in this society, and your well deserved vindication is coming.

 

[Que]

Written by a dude^^^

And that line of thinking is not getting him laid. He is saying that all the white knights have to do is wait until girls wise up an see that the white knights are needed.

A "white knight" can do a lot of those actions while making their interest and sexual intentions clear. Just "being there" waiting for the opportunistic moment when she has, yet again, been disappointed by someone who, at the very least, made his interest and sexual intentions clear is poor strategy.

The term white knight has less to do with being responsive to a womans needs or "fixiig" her. It has to do with having an unstated agenda. Everyone develops crushes. Either do something about making that clear, or just steer clear.

 

[1HF]

If I get to be damsel in distress I want a long flowy gown, corset, and flowers braided into my hair.