VW cheating on emmissions tests.

[Yardley]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/19/business/volkswagen-is-ordered-to-recall-nearly-500000-vehicles-over-emissions-software.html?_r=0

Couldn't happen to a better target.

 

[Conager]

You can get chips that have that effect of boosting performance and hurting emissions and simply remove it when you go through emissions. The story here is that the factory did it. Must be triggered when you plug in the tester to the OBDII socket.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Payback for the Holocaust.

 

[Lancecastor]

All those smug hipsters who thought they had the high moral ground by driving TDI's are suddenly driving dirty diesels that emit 40x the limit.

Ruh-roh.

 

[Saint Peter]

I followed a new VW diesel up a hill. The fumes were terrible.

Get those stinky fuckers off the road.

 

[bocahal]

Good for VW ,
emissions suck, if I could remove them all I would they fuck
up the engine the same as corn gas

 

[Yardley]

Good for VW ,
emissions suck, if I could remove them all I would they fuck
up the engine the same as corn gas

Well, as a gearhead, I am with you on the technical side of performance and reliability issues that go along with government mandated nonsense about how you get to a clean running machine. A catalytic converter is stupid. I don't want to burn of unburned fuel in a cat. I want it all burned in the combustion chamber making as much power as possible per atomized droplet.

Honda's success came not only because of market timing. Their entry into making automobiles was calculated to fill what they saw as a coming need. Engines that could burn cleaner without being underpowered because of choking emissions requirements. The idea was as above, burn more of the fuel in the chamber. Injection was already being used in production vehicles and they also looked at things like compression ratios, valve timing. llighter materials for a better power to weight ratio and so on. As a result when heavy American cars took a huge performance hit when 1974 standards were in place, Honda had cars that were both more fuel efficient because they burned the fuel they used, met standards, and had decent power with small mills.

Personally I might have, from time to time, operated a motor vehicle on a public highway that may not have been in full compliance of CARB regulations. I was a little amazed no one ever bothered me about rolling up to aviation fuel pumps with my ride. And to all those that do meet those standards, day in and day out, my lungs thank you! Kind of easy to rationalize in a "my vote don't matter" sort of way. As long as all the resta y'all get vaccinated, I can save myself the sting of the needle.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

A friend back in the day had a yellow VW diesel Rabbit wagon. The back end was always black.

worst

car

ever!

 

[Hypoxia]

I'm thinking of getting a Mercedes diesel Sprinter. Does Merc cheat too?

 

[Conager]

I'm thinking of getting a Mercedes diesel Sprinter. Does Merc cheat too?

They don't need to. They always did burn fairly clean. The CARB in California requires cats on Mercedes diesels but they're not needed in other states.

The TDI Is a fairly high revving forced induction motor. The way to think about that is it's nothing but a giant air pump. A big v8 at low rpm pumps the same amount of air and fuel has one of these pumps at high rpm.

So in a way it's understandable that they decided that they needed to cheat because you can't produce the power of a v8 without burning fuel, fuel has with it a certain amount of emission per volume of air used.

 

[PayDay]

I owned a 2000 Jetta GLX 5spd, which used the Bosch Motronic ECU. After owning it for a couple of months and swapping out the exhaust and secondary air injection, I bought a VAG-COM (Vw Auto group) OBD2 ECU harness to program the car. As it turns out, you could modify all the settings of the car to run any way you want and have the OBD2 port read stock for state inspection regardless of the actual running conditions. I'm surprised it took so long for VW to get caught.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Winterkorn resigned.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The markets punished them.



BUT A_J! MARKETS DON'T CORRECT BAD BEHAVIOR! ONLY GOVERNMENT CAN DO THAT!





Unless of course business buys its government indulgences in advance...

 

[bronzeage]

You can get chips that have that effect of boosting performance and hurting emissions and simply remove it when you go through emissions. The story here is that the factory did it. Must be triggered when you plug in the tester to the OBDII socket.

It was more subtle than that. The engine control had parallel programs. When the steering wheel was in the straight ahead position for a number of minutes, the Control Module went into the emissions compliant program.

When on the road, a faster and more responsive program was activated.

It's interesting the violation was discovered by an independent lab and not a state inspection facility. Maybe they tested the emissions while on the road.

It's more likely this was a setup. Someone knew about the bogus programing and wanted to blow the whistle without being identified.

 

[Lancecastor]

Mexican Volkswagens are junk anyway, so it's good they are suffering this setback.

 

[pensivepoet]

It was actually a college class in virginia that brought them down.
As a project, they tested the emissions in lab and on the road.
If not for them, vw would've never been busted.
I heard an interview with the professor on cbc's "as it happens"
Pretty interesting.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

"General Motors fudged on reporting problems with its ignition system and killed people as a result. The fine, announced last Thursday, was $900 million. Volkswagen fudged on testing its diesel cars for air pollution, killing exactly nobody. The fines being contemplated are well into the billions, in addition to refunds and civil lawsuit penalties for consumers, also running into the billions...."

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog...th_threatened_vw_penalties.html#ixzz3ma98XQI5

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[chillywilly2]

OMG..somebody cheated on government imposed regulations...the world is gonna end

I really don't understand why the CEO resigned...now is when they need his smarts to get them out of this

 

[bronzeage]

OMG..somebody cheated on government imposed regulations...the world is gonna end

I really don't understand why the CEO resigned...now is when they need his smarts to get them out of this

It's not a US corporation, where failure is rewarded.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

OMG..somebody cheated on government imposed regulations...the world is gonna end

I really don't understand why the CEO resigned...now is when they need his smarts to get them out of this

Thank Allah that Obama never resigned when caught cheating by the courts...



He just demanded that Justice Marshall enforce his rulings.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

If there is not a VW USA, why do they have a VW USA CEO?

 

[PoppingTom]

If there is not a VW USA, why do they have a VW USA CEO?

http://www.vw.com/corporate/


There is a VW USA, though it's not that successful like other German brands (BMW, Mercedes, Porsche...)

 

[Que]

http://www.vw.com/corporate/


There is a VW USA, though it's not that successful like other German brands (BMW, Mercedes, Porsche...)

The gracious thing to do would be for you Germans to simply apologize for subjecting Americans to deadly gases.

 

[PoppingTom]

I really don't understand why the CEO resigned...

1. The country Niedersachsen, where VW got its HQ, owns 24 % of VW - and they were not amused.
2. Ferdinand Piech, a former CEO and something like the Jesse Helms of VW, always wanted to get rid of Winterkorn - and raises the pressure.
3. The damage not only to VW's image but that of the whole German car fabrication was too big, VW lost 16 billions of net worth the last days.

 

[PoppingTom]

The gracious thing to do would be for you Germans to simply apologize for subjecting Americans to deadly gases.

I'm sorry a German brand cheated on Americans because otherwise they had to sell cars with two big tanks: one for the fuel, and one for that blue stuff, smelling stronger than piss.

We should have known Americans can handle the latter.