Feminism and Conservatism, both enemies of equality and liberty

[LJ_Reloaded]

Today: Proof that conservatism is utter garbage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no_rClZ-sbI

Tomorrow: Feminists will undoubtedly prove they're no better.

Neither side is fit to make America a better place for all.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Define conservatism...

 

[Ishmael]

Define conservatism...

He can't.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I know.



It's like racism, they just know it when they see it...

 

[Ishmael]

I know.



It's like racism, they just know it when they see it...

Next time ask him to define Freedom and Liberty. How would you know what anyone was for or against unless you can define the what it is they're allegedly for or against?

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Definitions are best interpreted on the fly...

:nods:

For too many, freedom is picking the venue while voting for tighter government control over the venue activities.

 

[Ishmael]

Definitions are best interpreted on the fly...

:nods:

For too many, freedom is picking the venue while voting for tighter government control over the venue activities.

And Liberty is being free to do and have whatever you want while someone else picks up the tab.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Although many complex causes of fanatical fundamentalism have been identified by a wide range of disciplines, a growing body of evidence from the field of neuroscience suggests one major contributing factor: Brains generally accept beliefs because they have to work much harder to reject them as false.

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Additionally, the scans clearly showed something that was more straightforward. Brain activation, overall, was much greater and persisted longer during states of disbelief. This is important because neuroscience has long shown that greater brain activity requires more mental resources, of which there is a limited supply. A cognitive process that demands little mental resources, such as believing, is less work for the brain and therefore favored. This concept was summed up nicely in a 2015 NewScientist cover story on the science of beliefs, which stated, “Harris’ results were widely interpreted as further confirmation that the default state of the human brain is to accept. Belief comes easily; doubt takes effort.”

This finding has great implications for understanding the factors involved in human behavior and decision-making. We all know that our beliefs strongly guide our actions and shape our moral and political attitudes. Since the brain tends to accept ideas rather than reject them, those raised in cultures that promote religious indoctrination of children at a very early age—long before they are taught science, if taught science at all—are more susceptible to holding fundamentalist beliefs later in life.

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One might assume that this encompasses an educational system hell-bent on abrogating human nature and "perfecting" society by forcefully molding minds at earlier and earlier ages, hence the call to not prayer, but pre-K education.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...damentalism-a-side-effect-of-lazy-brains.html

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

And Liberty is being free to do and have whatever you want while someone else picks up the tab.

Ishmael

And illegal is just Ill. legal...

 

[Ishmael]

One might assume that this encompasses an educational system hell-bent on abrogating human nature and "perfecting" society by forcefully molding minds at earlier and earlier ages, hence the call to not prayer, but pre-K education.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...damentalism-a-side-effect-of-lazy-brains.html

Interesting that they would focus on religion, faith really, as opposed to, oh say, a perpetual welfare state?

If the studies show that the brain will gravitate to the lazy once a premise has been implanted, why shouldn't the same apply to the body as well? ie. Not working and getting paid for it is preferable to working, especially true once the notion of being paid not to work is a 'right.'

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

And we wonder why the US labor participation rate is so low.



Of course, when one spends almost a decade in college with heavy government subsidy, then most jobs are very unappealing, almost beneath the dignity of an advanced [insert social-victim group here] Studies degree...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

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According to Pew Research, black rates of unemployment have been roughly double that of white joblessness since the 1950s. Today, the rate of black unemployment is almost twice what it is for whites, but the gap exploded only after Progressive economic policies became permanently embedded in the US economy. If the reason for this employment gap is not racism (and American racial policies have changed drastically in the past sixty years), then why would we see these kinds of numbers?

I believe that the biggest reason has been the tendency of African-Americans — and especially African-American political leaders — to fully embrace the Progressive agenda. While it might seem strange that blacks would give full support to an economic and political ideology that caused blacks to be shunted onto the margins, one must remember that the educated classes, both black and white, embrace Progressivism religiously.

Furthermore, modern Progressivism is an urban-based, secular religion and most African-Americans tend to live in cities. It should not be surprising that when the dominant urban intellectual culture is anti-enterprise, people most exposed to the steady drumbeat of hatred for private enterprise are not going to support it. Indeed, most large American cities with large black populations are dominated politically by coalitions of wealthy, anti-enterprise whites and African-Americans.

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William L. Anderson, Progressive-Era Economics and the Legacy of Jim Crow

https://mises.org/library/progressive-era-economics-and-legacy-jim-crow

LT is fighting the wrong enemy and for those who oppress him.

He is told "BLAME CONSERVATISM!"

So, he does as told...

*chuckle*

 

[Ishmael]

And we wonder why the US labor participation rate is so low.



Of course, when one spends almost a decade in college with heavy government subsidy, then most jobs are very unappealing, almost beneath the dignity of an advanced [insert social-victim group here] Studies degree...

What's amusing about that study is that they could have saved a considerable amount of time and money if they'd just watched a few selective Johnny Carson re-runs.

"Once you've bought the premise, you've bought the whole schtick." - J. Carson

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

... and question for the answer is: Why do they do it to themselves?

 

[Ishmael]

... and question for the answer is: Why do they do it to themselves?

We've come full circle now. Lazy is the word you're looking for.

Ishmael

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Holy shit it's a regressive right wing trollfest in here.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Conservatives are absolutely an enemy of equality.....they loathe nothing more quite as much, it hurts their souls to treat other people like human beings.

But an enemy of liberty they generally are not.

Liberals and their love for the nanny state are far greater enemies of liberty than conservatives ever have been.....by a LONG shot.

From academics to the military to sports and economics the left HATES winners and seeks to destroy them in the name of losers.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Conservatives are absolutely an enemy of equality.....they loathe nothing more quite as much, it hurts their souls to treat other people like human beings.

But an enemy of liberty they generally are not.

Liberals and their love for the nanny state are far greater enemies of liberty than conservatives ever have been.....by a LONG shot.

From academics to the military to sports and economics the left HATES winners and seeks to destroy them in the name of losers.

Hello McFly!!! Equality IS essential for liberty!

As for winners and losers, Liberals want people to survive, not die because of medical care they can't afford. So yay for the nanny state - people live longer in those.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

It's Progressives, as pointed out, who destroy the opportunity for equality, usually targeting one group for special privileges, while doing their damnedest to punish conservatives and force them to pay by limiting speech (in the name of hate), by targeting them out of admissions and hiring (affirmative action), by always seeking to progressively tax them to pay for equal outcomes (that do not materialize) and by regulating their business into performing directed "social justice" community service.

As to date, the success of the Liberal "Liberty" is unemployment, impoverishment, high drop out rates by unqualified candidates which falls hardest upon those they are "helping."

Punish the "conservative" and then blame the "conservative" for failure.

Pretty typical thinking out of a belief system.

If you are for equality, then the easiest thought in the world is to believe that the opposing viewpoint(s) are are anti-equality. But in practical, observable reality we see a Democrat party nomination where the only diversity and equality among the old, white aging Liberals who run the show is that one of them is rumored to be a woman. In those dastardly equality-hating conservative ranks we also have a woman surrounded by oppressed Hispanic black and young up and comers...

I mean, ya'll are entitled to your daydreams and fantasies, but the fact that you can look reality right in the eye and still go with the programming in your brain is somewhat scary, especially when it is past clear that your leading candidate to run the country in the name of equality got rich is a world of shadowy deals and quid pro quo donations, crushed all of the woman who rose up and accused her husband of sexual assault (and who on Monday, just yesterday, claimed that all women must be believed when they cry assault...) and clearly violated law and endangered national security.

That is some belief system!!!

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Hello McFly!!! Equality IS essential for liberty!

As for winners and losers, Liberals want people to survive, not die because of medical care they can't afford. So yay for the nanny state - people live longer in those.

No. Opportunity is essential for Liberty. There is no way to ensure that at any point in time that every one is equal other than the crushing poverty of ruthless and strictly controlled communistic tyranny, and even then, we notice that the tyrants are a lot more equal than everyone else. Everyone has differences; in temperament, ability and age. What every citizen needs is opportunity and it is opportunity that conservatives try to create by not interfering in the lives, businesses and decisions of others and it is the Progressive who insists that if we just allow them the power of positive interference in our lives that they can fashion a utopia of plenty and then some for everyone.

They revel in the idea that they are free to pick which restaurant to dine in the evening after spending a long day deciding what the restauranteur can put on his menu, the portions, the amount of salt, the size of the soda and maybe even the proper color for the tablecloths and this is considered liberty. Making sure that the employees make as much money as the person taking all of the risk is what they champion as equality and then when they pick up the check they rail at the greed of the conservative business owner who is clearly gouging them by passing on the costs of all their caring supervision...

:shrug:

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Holy shit it's a regressive right wing trollfest in here.

I am an actual honest to gawd liberal as it was before socialists tarnished that brand as well as the Progressive brand and then decided that liberal (conservative) was the perfect brand to hide under, just as the Klan hid out in the Democrat Party and fostered and enforced the laws of Jim Crow and the the anti=poverty plans that were perfect for destroying opportunity and enforcing dependence on the dole givers, who don't, even today see them as equals, but as wards who cannot do for themselves without a little progressive-socialist-liberalism.

 

[Ishmael]

No. Opportunity is essential for Liberty. There is no way to ensure that at any point in time that every one is equal other than the crushing poverty of ruthless and strictly controlled communistic tyranny, and even then, we notice that the tyrants are a lot more equal than everyone else. Everyone has differences; in temperament, ability and age. What every citizen needs is opportunity and it is opportunity that conservatives try to create by not interfering in the lives, businesses and decisions of others and it is the Progressive who insists that if we just allow them the power of positive interference in our lives that they can fashion a utopia of plenty and then some for everyone.

They revel in the idea that they are free to pick which restaurant to dine in the evening after spending a long day deciding what the restauranteur can put on his menu, the portions, the amount of salt, the size of the soda and maybe even the proper color for the tablecloths and this is considered liberty. Making sure that the employees make as much money as the person taking all of the risk is what they champion as equality and then when they pick up the check they rail at the greed of the conservative business owner who is clearly gouging them by passing on the costs of all their caring supervision...

:shrug:

Just for clarity's sake LT, are you speaking of equality of opportunity or equality of outcome?

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

He's clearly talking abut the government taking our stuff from us and giving him his fair share...



I do not think he knows the distinction.

 

[Ishmael]

He's clearly talking abut the government taking our stuff from us and giving him his fair share...



I do not think he knows the distinction.

One of the reasons I bothered to ask.

This has the possibility of becoming another "take LT to the woodshed" threads.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

When racism can mean anything you want it to mean, then when you use words like equality, liberty and conservative, no one can demand you define them, because you know that tomorrow you will be using them to mean something else...