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By Steve Benen

Former Vice President Dick Cheney is scheduled to speak today at a D.C. think tank, delivering remarks intended to condemn the international nuclear agreement with Iran. If an ignominious exchange over the weekend was evidence of his expertise, however, Cheney might want to reschedule, brush up on the details, and rethink his approach.

The underlying challenge for the failed former V.P. is the degree to which his own Iran policy failed spectacularly. Iran didn’t have a meaningful nuclear weapons program until Tehran developed one – during the Bush/Cheney administration. At the time, in response to Iran’s nuclear program, the Bush/Cheney administration did nothing – except, of course, strengthen Iran’s regional power by invading Iraq.

With this in mind, Fox News’ Chris Wallace reminded Cheney over the weekend that Iran “went from zero known [nuclear] centrifuges in operation to more than 5,000.” The Republican’s response was extraordinary.

The Fox News host flashed that data on screen so no one could miss it, and added: “So in fairness, didn’t you leave – the Bush-Cheney administration – leave President Obama with a mess?”

“Well, I don’t think of it that way,” Cheney countered. […] “But the centrifuges went from zero to 5,000,” Wallace pressed.

“Well, they may well have gone but that happened on Obama’s watch, not on our watch,” Cheney replied.

That’s the exact opposite of the truth, as Wallace, to his credit, quickly reminded the former V.P. Iran’s nuclear program blossomed, not under President Obama, but during the Bush/Cheney era.

Cheney wants Americans to blame Obama for a mess Cheney created. Indeed, either Cheney doesn’t know what happened in Iran on his watch, in which case his ignorance effectively disqualifies him from the debate, or Cheney simply doesn’t care about the facts, which renders his misguided opinions meaningless.

I’m afraid there is no third option.

It remains unclear whether Cheney is ignorant or dishonest, but either course leads to an unsettling direction. When it was the far-right former V.P. helping guide the nation’s foreign policy, Iran benefited tremendously. New York’s Jon Chait recently explained:

Bush and Cheney may have rhetorically opposed the Iranian nuclear program. In reality, they allowed it to blossom. As Marc Champion explained several months ago, “at the start of Bush’s presidency, Iran had no operational centrifuge cascades and no stocks of enriched fuel, so it had no means of making a nuclear weapon.” Then things got bad: “By the time Bush left office in January 2009, Iran had just under 4,000 working centrifuges and an additional 1,600 installed. These had, to that point, produced 171 kilos of low-enriched uranium. Oh, and Iran had covertly built a new enrichment facility under a mountain at Qom.”

Measured by results, rather than sound bites, Cheney was the greatest thing that happened to the radical regime in Iran since it took power.

Even Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), an aggressive hawk and no ally of Democrats, conceded not too long ago, “I think the Bush administration, they were a miserable failure when it came to controlling Iran’s nuclear ambition.”

Given all of these inconvenient facts, perhaps it’s not too surprising that Cheney would repeat demonstrably ridiculous talking points on national television. If I were Cheney, I’d feel humiliated by the truth, too.

But if the former vice president wants to play a role in the drama surrounding Iran, he’s too late – we already have enough jesters, and Cheney isn’t qualified for any other role.
















http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/cheneys-iran-lie-exposed-dramatic-fashion
 
I watched him on the show with his weird puppet daughter there. What a couple lying oddballs these two are.
 
Cheney's opinion of himself and his accomplishments far exceeds his mediocre actual performance in a variety of positions and jobs.
 
Mediocre performance?

Guy should be hung from a pole in the middle of DC for the shithole he made of the entire middle east situation and all the people he's gotten killed.
 
The truth is something Dick Cheney doesn't give a rat's ass about. That dude could be caught in a bank vault with a bag of money, with the exploded dye pack all over his face, but still look you in the eye and say he wasn't robbing the joint.

FUCK THAT GUY!
 
The truth is something Dick Cheney doesn't give a rat's ass about. That dude could be caught in a bank vault with a bag of money, with the exploded dye pack all over his face, but still look you in the eye and say he wasn't robbing the joint.

FUCK THAT GUY!

*like*
 
You know, Cheney and Eyer have a lot in common.

I wonder, has anyone seen Cheney hanging out at any Walmarts?
 
I was just re-watching the Star Wars series, in preparation for the new release. There's an evil character in Episode III that's part alien and part machine. I hadn't considered before that it was modeled after the then-current VP.
 
The underlying challenge for the failed former V.P. is the degree to which his own Iran policy failed spectacularly. Iran didn’t have a meaningful nuclear weapons program until Tehran developed one – during the Bush/Cheney administration. At the time, in response to Iran’s nuclear program, the Bush/Cheney administration did nothing – except, of course, strengthen Iran’s regional power by invading Iraq.


This hits the nail on the head. The U.S. had the resources on the ground to do something about Iran. Did Bush and Cheney have the political capital to do anything with those resources to take out that growing nuclear threat?
I don't think so.
 
What's really funny is reading all the partisan playground cunts in this thread whining about one team...

...while they remain completely silent in real time as the team they voted for and still fully support continues their 4+ year political jihad in Syria, where 300,000-500,000 have already died, multiple more have been maimed, and millions upon millions have been permanently displaced, never able to return to their homes again.
 
I see this thread is pretty much DOA.
Too bad. I see plenty in the Middle East that's cause for both parties to hang their heads in shame.
 
The underlying challenge for the failed former V.P. is the degree to which his own Iran policy failed spectacularly. Iran didn’t have a meaningful nuclear weapons program until Tehran developed one – during the Bush/Cheney administration. At the time, in response to Iran’s nuclear program, the Bush/Cheney administration did nothing – except, of course, strengthen Iran’s regional power by invading Iraq.


This hits the nail on the head. The U.S. had the resources on the ground to do something about Iran. Did Bush and Cheney have the political capital to do anything with those resources to take out that growing nuclear threat?
I don't think so.

This interview was great combined with Colin Powells on MTP. He said we did the right thing not going to Baghdad. We kept the mission specific because we knew what would happen if we went through Baghdad.

He supports the Iran deal.

Lets also not forget it was Bush Cheney that put Maliki in office in Iraq and he's actually the biggest lynch pin of when this all went completely to shit.
 
I see this thread is pretty much DOA.
Too bad. I see plenty in the Middle East that's cause for both parties to hang their heads in shame.

You should hang yours for suggesting a banged up military thats faught two wars invade Iran.

You're out of your mind, and league when it comes to national defense or invasions.

Seriously.

When will you guys ever learn.
 
In reference to the previous two posts by KS, it's linchpin and fought, moron.
 
Killswitch has conducted more "inavsions" than most guys.


Iran was a great puppet ally to the USA for decades, so Cheny's buddies and Iran's back channel trading companies in Germany are probably bery berry good friends.
 
I see this thread is pretty much DOA.
Too bad. I see plenty in the Middle East that's cause for both parties to hang their heads in shame.

Ain't that the friggin' truth...

...it's why I truly wish we were doing it all to ourselves instead of others:

1. Maybe then we'd not stand for it at all;

2. We deserve the effects of our own horrendous causes more than the multitudes of innocents we kill and maim and displace merit any of it at all.


I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever.

Thomas Jefferson
 
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