Over 10% of British NHS cost on type 2 diabetes....

[duranman]

So much I could say.....

 

[oggbashan]

So much I could say.....

I've got it. My father had it.

It isn't necessarily caused by poor diet, obesity and lack of exercise but those factors don't help. My father acquired it in his early 90s and he was still walking 20 miles or more a day.

I acquired it as a complication caused by my other medical conditions which make strenuous exercise problematic. I exercise twice daily to retain my restricted mobility but I can't walk long distances and running/jogging/serious swimming etc. are impossible. Since the diagnosis I have lost a stone and a half and maintained that lower weight for nearly a decade.

The real problem with Type II is that it is a sign of the increasing numbers of older people who didn't die because the NHS treated other conditions. The NHS is a victim of its own success in prolonging longevity.

My cost? Inexpensive generic prescription medicines, a six monthly blood test followed by a visit to the specialist diabetic nurse at my doctors' practice. Unfortunately for me, her seamed black stockings tend to raise my blood pressure when she takes it.

Type II is progressive. What I have now is easily managed. If I'm still alive a decade from now, I will need more expensive treatments.

But whatever the NHS does, some time I'll have to die...

 

[duranman]

I've got it. My father had it.

It isn't necessarily caused by poor diet, obesity and lack of exercise but those factors don't help. My father acquired it in his early 90s and he was still walking 20 miles or more a day.

I acquired it as a complication caused by my other medical conditions which make strenuous exercise problematic. I exercise twice daily to retain my restricted mobility but I can't walk long distances and running/jogging/serious swimming etc. are impossible. Since the diagnosis I have lost a stone and a half and maintained that lower weight for nearly a decade.

The real problem with Type II is that it is a sign of the increasing numbers of older people who didn't die because the NHS treated other conditions. The NHS is a victim of its own success in prolonging longevity.

My cost? Inexpensive generic prescription medicines, a six monthly blood test followed by a visit to the specialist diabetic nurse at my doctors' practice. Unfortunately for me, her seamed black stockings tend to raise my blood pressure when she takes it.

Type II is progressive. What I have now is easily managed. If I'm still alive a decade from now, I will need more expensive treatments.

But whatever the NHS does, some time I'll have to die...

You fight your corner well Sir and I empathise with your predicament.

I also belong to a Natural Bodybuilding forum and the vitriol towards you guys is unbelievable. Though I guess the very fit are the exception and not the rule. As you say, being fit doesn't guarantee against it, but it's certainly a major preventative measure surely...

 

[2bnot2b]

So much I could say.....

when the Muslims will take over

your problems will be solved

 

[duranman]

when the Muslims will take over

your problems will be solved

Well I avoided that one! Yep it's true they all seem to get it in their 40's, but look at the state of them....

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

So much I could say.....

Don't hold back!

 

[oggbashan]

You fight your corner well Sir and I empathise with your predicament.

I also belong to a Natural Bodybuilding forum and the vitriol towards you guys is unbelievable. Though I guess the very fit are the exception and not the rule. As you say, being fit doesn't guarantee against it, but it's certainly a major preventative measure surely...

When I was young (about 50 years ago) I was seriously fit. I wasn't into bodybuilding but did weightlifting, played Rugby and Australian Rules, was a qualified Surf Lifesaver, part of a Cliff Rescue team, did serious hiking competitions against the Royal Marines...

You should tell your bodybuilding fanatics that one serious accident can wreck their lives and make them a prime candidate for Type II. I fell off cliffs, rock climbs, mountains, horses, motorcycles but none of those caused as much damage to my body as a virus which wrecked my spine.

Yes, many sufferers from Type II were their own worst enemy, but not all. If you become disabled, avoiding Type II can be almost impossible.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Pneumonia put an end to my athletic life...

 

[duranman]

I think it's clear that all vitriol is aimed at the self afflicted cases....

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The pneumonia was self-inflicted in that, as a tough guy, I just thought it was allergies or a slight cold or flu and I just kept working instead of seeking medical advice and then my body began to shut down.

Remind your buddies that none of us are actually superman.

 

[stickygirl]

A friend of mine is a physio and let fly a stream of vitriol to me about "fat patients, whose knees were falling apart" and "why don't they lose weight and save everyone time and money?"
She's a nice person, but a body fascist. I had to respond to ask 'In a 20 minute consult, how could you find out anything about the person's family background, their mental health or any other contributing factors?'
Making sneering, tabloid assumptions about other people's health is simply personal attack that doesn't even belong in the playground. Sure, you could probably beat people into submission by shaming them or calling them names, but I thought we were a cut above ISIS over here? Apart from journalists and Farage of course.

 

[oggbashan]

A friend of mine is a physio and let fly a stream of vitriol to me about "fat patients, whose knees were falling apart" and "why don't they lose weight and save everyone time and money?"
...

One of my daughters has had 14 operations on her knees. She has never been even slightly overweight but her kneecaps and tendons didn't form properly as she was growing. She has been accused of being a former fatty who wrecked her knees.

 

[oggbashan]

Added...

There is an article in part 2 of today's The Times on pre-diabetes.

One thing it says is that almost everyone's sugar levels rise with age.

So some of the seriously fit people can only avoid Type II if they die young.

The real problem with Type II is that people are developing it at much younger ages than they used to.

Or is that because more people are being diagnosed with Type II? I had two friends, now deceased, who didn't know they had Type II until I mentioned that I had been recently diagnosed. I described my symptoms before I was diagnosed and they had the same issues. One had severe symptoms and seriously high sugar levels, so much so that I persuaded him to ring his doctor's surgery there and then. He was in hospital within an hour. Yet he still was fit and active, a former European champion in several Martial Arts disciplines, and still competing as a veteran.

Yes, there are people who develop Diabetes because of poor lifestyle choices, but there are many others who don't even know they have it until it has caused real damage.

PS. Diabetes didn't kill either of them.

 

[BotanyBoy]

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[NeverEndingMe]

So much I could say.....

socialized healthcare doesn't work