Scripts. Could the porn industry be changing its model

[TxRad]

I was doing some research on the internet the last few days. Yeah, I know a dirty job but someone has to do it. More and more I came across porn movie clips that actually had plots and dialog other than moans and groans. I company in particular had several movies out that were multi-part and had an arc that covered six parts.

I'm wondering if the amount of written porn/erotica is making the movie makers rethink the wham bam, tab A into slot A or B or C, and film it close up and from every angle under the sun. I wonder if they are seeing the amount of traffic at places like Lit (Ok, no other place has the traffic as Lit) and rethinking that maybe adding more story might draw a wider audience.

Anyone else seeing these or am I daydreaming about a wider selling market for our stories?

 

[sr71plt]

We certainly know where they can go for their stories to turn into movie scripts.

 

[Black_and_White_Writer]

I was doing some research on the internet the last few days. Yeah, I know a dirty job but someone has to do it. More and more I came across porn movie clips that actually had plots and dialog other than moans and groans. I company in particular had several movies out that were multi-part and had an arc that covered six parts.

I'm wondering if the amount of written porn/erotica is making the movie makers rethink the wham bam, tab A into slot A or B or C, and film it close up and from every angle under the sun. I wonder if they are seeing the amount of traffic at places like Lit (Ok, no other place has the traffic as Lit) and rethinking that maybe adding more story might draw a wider audience.

Anyone else seeing these or am I daydreaming about a wider selling market for our stories?

It's possible. Porn is really struggling against the legal, free online porn sites streaming content.

They are using more realistic, natural models who don't have fake breasts, unrealistic bodies and more war paint than Barbie or Braveheart put together screaming like they're being raped by King Kong or being murdered. This whole amateur gonzo has become ever more popular now internet speeds are getting better and more reliable.

In regard to the return of more 'Golden Age' porn from the 1970s and early 1980s with stories, design and reasonable acting — one can only hope.

Give me The Devil in Miss Jones, Behind the Green Door and The Opening of Misty Beethoven over Anal Gangbang Sluts #17 or Ass Gapers Cum Slut Whores #47 or whatever.

 

[HandsInTheDark]

Probably says more about me than anything else, but closeups of sex parts (except a pretty face, or the occasional breast shot), thick warpaint, obviously fake arousal and the overly inflated typical porn model was a non-starter for me anyway; always was. I want to see a genuine-looking arousal, actual beauty, and the way the whole body is affected. Staring at some guys cock sliding in and out of some arbitrary girl's hole... yawn. And some women actresses hang on too long, by which I mean anything past 30. The makeup's often there for a reason, and you can tell what the reason is...

I think you're seeing a shifting social more. Once upon a time, and within my lifetime, pretty much only guys watched porn, and it was a closeted interest, however common it really was. It was Joe's dirty little secret; not socially acceptable, outside of college. People who watched were willing to put up with whatever they could find to satisfy their fix - and it didn't take a lot of talent or expense to point a camera at grinding parts and call it a movie, so that's what they got.

Enter the sexual revolution, especially the last fifteen years or so. Sex is an expected part of relationships, from (let's be honest) 17 up. Not many people find sex to be a major taboo anymore. Females have easy access to porn and erotica; some love it, others are just trying to figure out what guys like, but in either case they get a healthy dose of exposure at a young age... and become consumers. It's not Joe's dirty secret anymore; it's Jane's Pinterest page now.

But females are more discriminating about story and emotional content. So porn is adapting to fit. Erotica lead the way - many more women have told me they prefer written to visual - but to the extent porn becomes more erotica-like, women will watch.

Overall it's probably bad news for written erotica. Many folk would rather watch than read - women might follow that trend if what's out there to watch caters to them. Reader is simply harder work than watching, and you don't have to stop and turn/click pages.

The future is no doubt in photorealistic computer generated models. Once you can dispense with actors and actresses entirely, you can make anything you want happen on screen. Every fetish will be available. Without getting into why I think that's not a good place to be, I think it will diminish interest in written erotica.

 

[Black_and_White_Writer]

I agree with you about photorealistic CGI porn, but the laws they have will be able to prevent the very vile stuff, coupled with even the tastes of the role making it... or who won't make it as the case may be.

Personally I think written porn or erotica will still flourish. It's still a much more romantic and classy affair. The sharing of ideas is more intimate and personal and dare I say more emotional and romantic. Something most if not all visual porn struggles with. I do think written and drawn erotica it only are the oldest forms of porn, but the best still around.

 

[RejectReality]

As much as anything, I think it's burnout.

In the last decade, nearly any fetish you can think of has an entire library of porn flicks to indulge in for free. Slowly, but surely, people start getting bored of the "standard fare".

That's part of why I think incest stories/movies have taken off. That's a bleeding edge where people are landing once they've reached a boredom point with every other fetish.

Now, consumers are even getting bored with that.

With kink no longer a strong enough draw, some of the producers are branching out, and one of the places they're heading is storylines.

It must be working, considering the amount of scripted porn that's creeping onto the free sites and the revival of "retro" 70s porn that's showing up on those sites.

 

[TxRad]

I agree with you about photorealistic CGI porn, but the laws they have will be able to prevent the very vile stuff, coupled with even the tastes of the role making it... or who won't make it as the case may be.

Personally I think written porn or erotica will still flourish. It's still a much more romantic and classy affair. The sharing of ideas is more intimate and personal and dare I say more emotional and romantic. Something most if not all visual porn struggles with. I do think written and drawn erotica it only are the oldest forms of porn, but the best still around.

I agree with what you've said about written porn/erotica. CGI i have very little knowledge about. Another reason for written to continue is portability and privacy. You can read damned near anywhere but watching a film is out of the question in a lot of places.

 

[TxRad]

As much as anything, I think it's burnout.

In the last decade, nearly any fetish you can think of has an entire library of porn flicks to indulge in for free. Slowly, but surely, people start getting bored of the "standard fare".

That's part of why I think incest stories/movies have taken off. That's a bleeding edge where people are landing once they've reached a boredom point with every other fetish.

Now, consumers are even getting bored with that.

With kink no longer a strong enough draw, some of the producers are branching out, and one of the places they're heading is storylines.

It must be working, considering the amount of scripted porn that's creeping onto the free sites and the revival of "retro" 70s porn that's showing up on those sites.

This is what i noticed also. The story lines are much better but nowhere near what they could be. Maybe they need experienced writers.

 

[Black_and_White_Writer]

I agree with what you've said about written porn/erotica. CGI i have very little knowledge about. Another reason for written to continue is portability and privacy. You can read damned near anywhere but watching a film is out of the question in a lot of places.

Very true, and as Lit has proven, anyone can write erotica. Not everyone can pick up a camera and get some people to have sex while they record it.

 

[HandsInTheDark]

I agree with you about photorealistic CGI porn, but the laws they have will be able to prevent the very vile stuff

Doubt it. If nothing actually alive is involved in the filming, I don't see how law will apply. Pixels don't have or need rights. The laws today state that actresses have to be over 18; they don't say characters do, anywhere I know of.

And yes, "Peddie's first adventure" is exactly what I'm worried about, though films that glorify rape and bestiality will probably go up too.

The game and movie industry has been swearing blind for years that graphic violence and sex is simply entertainment and has no effect on viewers; and isn't it better that they watch it than do it, and so on. Those arguments work today and they won't stop working as technology improves. It doesn't matter that valid studies have shown that visual depictions of of cruelty and abuse do in fact have an effect; entertainment businesses have much larger political contribution budgets than social scientists do.

 

[Black_and_White_Writer]

Doubt it. If nothing actually alive is involved in the filming, I don't see how law will apply. Pixels don't have or need rights. The laws today state that actresses have to be over 18; they don't say characters do, anywhere I know of.

And yes, "Peddie's first adventure" is exactly what I'm worried about, though films that glorify rape and bestiality will probably go up too.

The game and movie industry has been swearing blind for years that graphic violence and sex is simply entertainment and has no effect on viewers; and isn't it better that they watch it than do it, and so on. Those arguments work today and they won't stop working as technology improves. It doesn't matter that valid studies have shown that visual depictions of of cruelty and abuse do in fact have an effect; entertainment businesses have much larger political contribution budgets than social scientists do.

US, UK and EU law states that no character may be created for use in illegal sexual acts such as underage sex, sexual violence including murder for sexual arousal, bestiality etc is outlawed. I can't see those laws being repealed.

Even today a lot of 3D art websites featuring young and immature looking CGI models, 'dark erotica' websites like Dolcitt sort of gothic porn snuff and a lot of the Japanese stuff is under the microscope. So I can't see that stuff ever getting legitimate.

 

[Handley_Page]

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The game and movie industry has been swearing blind for years that graphic violence and sex is simply entertainment and has no effect on viewers; and isn't it better that they watch it than do it, and so on.
Those arguments work today and they won't stop working as technology improves.
It doesn't matter that valid studies have shown that visual depictions of of cruelty and abuse do in fact have an effect; entertainment businesses have much larger political contribution budgets than social scientists do.

If I recall right, a couple of legal trials over here have shown the industries view to get in error.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I was doing some research on the internet the last few days. Yeah, I know a dirty job but someone has to do it. More and more I came across porn movie clips that actually had plots and dialog other than moans and groans. I company in particular had several movies out that were multi-part and had an arc that covered six parts.

Like "Game of Thrones", you mean? ;-)

(I'm not entirely kidding; I think the boundary between 'mainstream' entertainment and porn is being eroded from both sides.)

US, UK and EU law states that no character may be created for use in illegal sexual acts such as underage sex, sexual violence including murder for sexual arousal, bestiality etc is outlawed. I can't see those laws being repealed.

Australian law refuses classification to material which includes "descriptions or depictions of child sexual abuse or any other exploitative or offensive descriptions or depictions involving a person who is, or appears to be, a child under 18". As this discussion covers, there's some ambiguity about where this leaves porn with actresses/models who are over 18 but may not look it.

Animated porn representing under-18 sex would clearly break the rules even if no RL person is being abused in the process.

 

[TxRad]

Like "Game of Thrones", you mean? ;-)

(I'm not entirely kidding; I think the boundary between 'mainstream' entertainment and porn is being eroded from both sides.)

Never watched any of the show but get what you mean.

 

[LadyVer]

I haven't watched much porn, but after reading a lot of erotica and editing/beta reading over 70 Lit stories, I'm at the point where I think that erotica in general needs an overhaul. Strong plot, character, and dialogue development would help. Too many bimbos, sluts, and bitches across categories in erotica is a turnoff.

 

[SamScribble]

I'm at the point where I think that erotica in general needs an overhaul. Strong plot, character, and dialogue development would help. Too many bimbos, sluts, and bitches across categories in erotica is a turnoff.

Give that lady a medal.

 

[Black_and_White_Writer]

I haven't watched much porn, but after reading a lot of erotica and editing/beta reading over 70 Lit stories, I'm at the point where I think that erotica in general needs an overhaul. Strong plot, character, and dialogue development would help. Too many bimbos, sluts, and bitches across categories in erotica is a turnoff.

Very true. I'm tempted to post a bit of my new story I'm working upon. I'm often criticized for the lack of 'action' in my stories. I do get to it, but like a good action movie... Stuff should start blowing up towards the end of act 2, not at the beginning of act 1.

 

[DreamCloud]

I haven't watched much porn, but after reading a lot of erotica and editing/beta reading over 70 Lit stories, I'm at the point where I think that erotica in general needs an overhaul. Strong plot, character, and dialogue development would help. Too many bimbos, sluts, and bitches across categories in erotica is a turnoff.

It is a sign of maturity when story supersedes action. I have trouble staying interested in stories where there isn't a good plot. Once the hormones settle, I think most people prefer a well developed story. They still want their sex, just wrapped in a more interesting package.

 

[sr71plt]

Very true. I'm tempted to post a bit of my new story I'm working upon. I'm often criticized for the lack of 'action' in my stories. I do get to it, but like a good action movie... Stuff should start blowing up towards the end of act 2, not at the beginning of act 1.

Then you aren't in tune with the trend of the time--for either movies or stories.

 

[sr71plt]

It is a sign of maturity when story supersedes action. I have trouble staying interested in stories where there isn't a good plot. Once the hormones settle, I think most people prefer a well developed story. They still want their sex, just wrapped in a more interesting package.

Although I personally agree with you, speaking for "most people" is, I think, presumptuous at best. A lot of posters do that on the forum, though.

 

[TxRad]

Very true. I'm tempted to post a bit of my new story I'm working upon. I'm often criticized for the lack of 'action' in my stories. I do get to it, but like a good action movie... Stuff should start blowing up towards the end of act 2, not at the beginning of act 1.

Just don't blow up everyone along with it like I did in one story. Makes for an abrupt end.

 

[DreamCloud]

Although I personally agree with you, speaking for "most people" is, I think, presumptuous at best. A lot of posters do that on the forum, though.

Well, I guess you are the expert. I retract my previous statement.

 

[LadyVer]

Well, I guess you are the expert. I retract my previous statement.

You're retracting your statement for a jackass. Just saying.

 

[jaF0]

In regard to the return of more 'Golden Age' porn from the 1970s and early 1980s with stories, design and reasonable acting — one can only hope.

Give me The Devil in Miss Jones, Behind the Green Door and The Opening of Misty Beethoven

Or 'V - The Hot One' with Annette Haven

Or one of my personal favorites, 'American Pie' with Arcadia Lake: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0122903/

 

[LadyVer]

It is a sign of maturity when story supersedes action. I have trouble staying interested in stories where there isn't a good plot. Once the hormones settle, I think most people prefer a well developed story. They still want their sex, just wrapped in a more interesting package.

Totally agree.