Mma

[Ramone45]

I'm not a fan, but I watched a few videos on youtube. I don't think there's anything noble or courageous about delivering blows to an unconscious, defenseless opponent.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

I'm not a fan, but I watched a few videos on youtube. I don't think there's anything noble or courageous about delivering blows to an unconscious, defenseless opponent.

Lancecaster sure does.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I'm not a fan, but I watched a few videos on youtube. I don't think there's anything noble or courageous about delivering blows to an unconscious, defenseless opponent.

MMA = delivering blows to defenseless opponent?

Since when?

 

[Ramone45]

MMA = delivering blows to defenseless opponent?

Since when?

Well, at least in the clips I watched, a guy might get kicked in the head and fall to the mat at which time his opponent will pounce upon his victim and deliver blows to the helpless fighter until the ref physically removes him. Pretty disgusting and sadistic. Not really admirable fighting behavior.

 

[ontoit2]

Oh, I thought it was a new type of threesome. Never mind.

 

[Mr_Jon_Thon]

Sounds about like marriage.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Well, at least in the clips I watched, a guy might get kicked in the head and fall to the mat at which time his opponent will pounce upon his victim and deliver blows to the helpless fighter until the ref physically removes him. Pretty disgusting and sadistic. Not really admirable fighting behavior.

Oh, so you just don't like fighting.

Right on.

 

[gardenia19]

Well, at least in the clips I watched, a guy might get kicked in the head and fall to the mat at which time his opponent will pounce upon his victim and deliver blows to the helpless fighter until the ref physically removes him. Pretty disgusting and sadistic. Not really admirable fighting behavior.

LOL you obviously know nothing of fighting.

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[BabblingBrooke]

I could get into it, but I don't want to commit the time. I absolutely loved the movie Warrior.

 

[kaitlyn_sun]

there's more going on there then you're seeing. the opponent isn't helpless, they're down... frankly, lots of those fighters are way more dangerous on the ground.

the fighters keep fighting until the ref pulls them apart, that's the ref's job. they both understand how the fight works, and agree to the terms.... there's nothing dishonorable about it.

I've actually seen fighters stop fighting because their opponent was more hurt than the ref realized, but it's not really the best idea, because these guys can turn a fight around in a second if you give them a window.

and there a lot of rules in UFC that makes it safer... some of them needlessly so. you can't kick a downed fighter... which is kind of dumb, because you can kick them standing. and there are certain strikes that are illegal, but there's a lot of debate about how reasonable they are.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I'm not a fan, but I watched a few videos on youtube. I don't think there's anything noble or courageous about delivering blows to an unconscious, defenseless opponent.

MMA = delivering blows to defenseless opponent?

Since when?

That's right, especially in the amateurs, they tend to stop fights at the first sign of trouble.

Now, while pummeling and opponent into submission is one aspect of the sport, let me point out that it only happens once per match, whereas in boxing, as long as a damaged fighter can get to his feet, they send him out, round after round to get pounded on some more.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

That's right, especially in the amateurs, they tend to stop fights at the first sign of trouble.

Now, while pummeling and opponent into submission is one aspect of the sport, let me point out that it only happens once per match, whereas in boxing, as long as a damaged fighter can get to his feet, they send him out, round after round to get pounded on some more.

I can remember exactly one fight where a guy was getting mauled and managed to KO the mauler, and that was Wlad's last loss . . .


in 2004.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I can remember exactly one fight where a guy was getting mauled and managed to KO the mauler, and that was Wlad's last loss . . .


in 2004.

If you watched the prelims to the Rousey fight the fighter (forgot his name) who spent the first two rounds being pummeled into a bloody mess won by submission in the third round.

Also unlike boxing we're talking mostly about three-round matches. Boxing, in the past, has gone up to 15.

Look what it did to Mohammed Ali.



Hell, George Foreman could never remember that he already named the last son George.

 

[Palamino19]

That's right, especially in the amateurs, they tend to stop fights at the first sign of trouble.

Now, while pummeling and opponent into submission is one aspect of the sport, let me point out that it only happens once per match, whereas in boxing, as long as a damaged fighter can get to his feet, they send him out, round after round to get pounded on some more.

Totally. The addition of ground and kicks utterly changes things. In boxing, you simply have to accept shots to the head as a near constant. I have Floyd Patterson's book, and he talks about how there is no such thing as a champion boxer without facial scars.

 

[doowdniw]

I'll watch MMA over boxing any time.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Totally. The addition of ground and kicks utterly changes things. In boxing, you simply have to accept shots to the head as a near constant. I have Floyd Patterson's book, and he talks about how there is no such thing as a champion boxer without facial scars.

I have several old scars and broken teeth from back in the good ol' days when TKD used no padding in sparring.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Totally. The addition of ground and kicks utterly changes things. In boxing, you simply have to accept shots to the head as a near constant. I have Floyd Patterson's book, and he talks about how there is no such thing as a champion boxer without facial scars.

All future CTE owners.

How's the wife?

 

[Palamino19]

I have several old scars and broken teeth from back in the good ol' days when TKD used no padding in sparring.

I have the nose that comes with early years of not knowing how to properly slip a punch, and the youthful exuberance that shrugs off breaking your nose too many times. Scar under my left eye from an elbow.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

My nose was broken a couple of times. The wife's was seriously broken once.

Mine healed pretty well, hers not as much.

Oh well, the price you pay...

 

[Palamino19]

All future CTE owners.

There is substantial statistical evidence that boxing is the place for that. Which, if you read the thread, you would have an idea of. The injury risks of other venues, especially mma, is mainly joint damage from locks.

Not that this is a criticism of boxers. Every path has sacrifices, I tend to respect those who love something enough to make the sacrifices over those who do something just for the credibility they think it gets them.

My chosen avocation involves a lot more throws, one knee has seen the damage from this. Actually being able to use one's fighting method involves some costs, too many teachers don't actually have the experience to understand their arts.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

There is substantial statistical evidence that boxing is the place for that. Which, if you read the thread, you would have an idea of. The injury risks of other venues, especially mma, is mainly joint damage from locks.

Not that this is a criticism of boxers. Every path has sacrifices, I tend to respect those who love something enough to make the sacrifices over those who do something just for the credibility they think it gets them.

My chosen avocation involves a lot more throws, one knee has seen the damage from this. Actually being able to use one's fighting method involves some costs, too many teachers don't actually have the experience to understand their arts.

I guess to many blows to your head has made you unaware that there is no such thing as an insignificant blow to the head.

You never answered my question if you told your wife that you were gay before you married her.

 

[ryan8558]

My nose was broken a couple of times. The wife's was seriously broken once.

Mine healed pretty well, hers not as much.

Oh well, the price you pay...

Sounds like a Ray Rice quote.

 

[Palamino19]

My nose was broken a couple of times. The wife's was seriously broken once.

Mine healed pretty well, hers not as much.

Oh well, the price you pay...

Mine broken six times before I was 24. After, the only time had nothing to do with fighting, just a fluke and a nose that is more scar than tissue.

Fortunately, I've been pretty good at not taking heavy hits, and I don't have a glass jaw. I'm tall, so I had to learn to defend my ribs well, bruised ribs are only second to cracked ones in my list of things I don't like.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Sounds like a Ray Rice quote.

*chuckle*

Mine broken six times before I was 24. After, the only time had nothing to do with fighting, just a fluke and a nose that is more scar than tissue.

Fortunately, I've been pretty good at not taking heavy hits, and I don't have a glass jaw. I'm tall, so I had to learn to defend my ribs well, bruised ribs are only second to cracked ones in my list of things I don't like.

Yeah, I was in a profession that required fighting skill, the first required skill being how to avoid getting into a fight. I've never been knocked out. I have been choked out as part of the lesson plan. That shit didn't make sense to me then any more than it does now...

 

[Palamino19]

I guess to many blows to your head has made you unaware that there is no such thing as an insignificant blow to the head.

You got mad last time it was shown you knew nothing about fight sports, you apparently think this will go better.

Heavy boxing gloves increase the frequency of head strikes because of their size. The boxing industry's moves over the last century toward bigger fighters and not supporting technical fighters have done the same. Football's tendency to have roles of being the big guy who get hits do the same. There is risk, but there are also a whole host of boxers who wrote scholarly books in their retirement years, and they take a lot more hits than mma people.

The dumb boxer is a myth believed by people who know zero boxers.