"Selling" fetal parts/tissue

[about_average]

So far all I've seen/heard/read is a lot of rhetoric.

Could someone please list which, exactly, criminal activities (and the statute or state/federal laws were violated) Planned Parenthood took part in as revealed in the "sting" tapes.
I reserve the word sting for exposing criminal activity, but have yet to see any such activity exposed.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

That's easy.
None.

This isn't about fetal tissue donation, if it were then congress would just reinstate the ban they lifted in 1993.

This is about attacking and trying to shut down Planned Parenthood completely.

 

[about_average]

Well, yeah, that's what it appears to be, but I want to give the people yelling a fair chance to say exactly what illegal activities were taking place.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Well, yeah, that's what it appears to be, but I want to give the people yelling a fair chance to say exactly what illegal activities were taking place.

Good luck with that. At best you're going to get Busybody in his newest incarnation posting pics of aborted fetuses and calling everyone baby killers.

 

[Vetteman]

I thought this whole thing was "an attack on womens' heath"? How many different stories are you going to try to sell?

 

[bg23]

This is a good article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/22/opinion/the-campaign-of-deception-against-planned-parenthood.html

A hidden-camera video released last week purported to show that Planned Parenthood illegally sells tissue from aborted fetuses. It shows nothing of the sort. But it is the latest in a series of unrelenting attacks on Planned Parenthood, which offers health care services to millions of people every year. The politicians howling to defund Planned Parenthood care nothing about the truth here, being perfectly willing to undermine women’s reproductive rights any way they can.


The nine-minute video clip released by the Center for Medical Progress, an outfit apparently created in 2013, invites viewers to “Hold Planned Parenthood accountable for their illegal sale of baby parts.” In it, Dr. Deborah Nucatola, Planned Parenthood’s senior director of medical services, is seen discussing the collection of fetal tissue in a lunch meeting with two people posing as potential tissue buyers. A second video, released on Tuesday, shows another Planned Parenthood staff member discussing fetal tissue.


After the first video’s release, Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky pledged to “introduce an amendment to pending Senate legislation to immediately strip every dollar of Planned Parenthood funding.” Senator Ted Cruz of Texas called for defunding and for “an investigation of Planned Parenthood’s activities regarding the sale and transfer of aborted body parts.” The House Energy and Commerce Committee is undertaking an investigation, and Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas and Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana have ordered investigations in their states.

The full video of the lunch meeting, over two hours long and released by the Center for Medical Progress after complaints by Planned Parenthood, shows something very different from what these critics claim. Clearly, the shorter version was edited to eliminate statements by Dr. Nucatola explaining that Planned Parenthood does not profit from tissue donation, which requires the clear consent of the patient. Planned Parenthood affiliates only accept money — between $30 and $100 per specimen, according to Dr. Nucatola — to cover costs associated with collecting and transporting the tissue. “This is not something with any revenue stream that affiliates are looking at,” she said. Under federal law, facilities may be reimbursed for costs associated with fetal tissue donation, like transportation and storage.

Continue reading article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/22/opinion/the-campaign-of-deception-against-planned-parenthood.html

Edited - oops, I linked the wrong article in the body of text. The initial link was correct.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Good luck with that. At best you're going to get Busybody in his newest incarnation posting pics of aborted fetuses and calling everyone baby killers.

That's Flameout's latest schtick.

Seems like it was only yesterday when we were all playground cunts and statist wannabes. Where does the time go?

 

[Sunshine]

This is a good article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/22/opinion/the-campaign-of-deception-against-planned-parenthood.html

Thank you for this.

 

[Tryharder62]

They outline the laws broken on the videos if you watch them.

 

[phrodeau]

They outline the laws broken on the videos if you watch them.

Really? What are the actual quotes from the transcripts?

 

[Dogoda]

ALL opinions on abortion......come from those who were not.

 

[phrodeau]

ALL opinions on abortion......come from those who were not.

And God never gave an opinion.

 

[about_average]

This is a good article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/22/opinion/the-campaign-of-deception-against-planned-parenthood.html

Sorry, I'm not seeing where any criminal activity took place, much less the state of federal laws that were violated.

They outline the laws broken on the videos if you watch them.

Not that I've seen. Can you quote them, and point out the laws broken? Exactly what part of the law was broken?

ALL opinions on abortion......come from those who were not.

This thread is about alleged criminal activity.
I specifically wasn't asking for opinions on abortion. There are plenty of pro and con abortion threads already.

 

[2bnot2b]

Sorry, I'm not seeing where any criminal activity took place, much less the state of federal laws that were violated.


Not that I've seen. Can you quote them, and point out the laws broken? Exactly what part of the law was broken?


This thread is about alleged criminal activity.
I specifically wasn't asking for opinions on abortion. There are plenty of pro and con abortion threads already.

she will

because she is a lawyer

 

[2bnot2b]

If you really cared

And you dont

There are THREE threads

That articulate the laws and statutes, that show what you seem to seek

But we all know the truth

 

[about_average]

There are THREE threads

That articulate the laws and statutes, that show what you seem to seek

I've read the threads and didn't see them. Please link to one of the posts that identifies the criminal activity and cites the statutes violated.

 

[2bnot2b]

I've read the threads and didn't see them. Please link to one of the posts that identifies the criminal activity and cites the statutes violated.

so Im going to look thru 22 pages for you?

no! you havent read them, because its there



but the ISSUE isnt and hasnt been illegality, thats a by product

the issue is brutality, indifference, wanton and cruel destruction of babies etc etc

keep pretending otherwise

if they want to continue, do it on their own, not taxpayer funds

what you really are doing is distracting.....so even if someone points to a broken law, you will hurl


So when will they be prosecuted? so now you are a lawyer?

We all know the truth!

 

[2bnot2b]

So far all I've seen/heard/read is a lot of rhetoric.

Could someone please list which, exactly, criminal activities (and the statute or state/federal laws were violated) Planned Parenthood took part in as revealed in the "sting" tapes.
I reserve the word sting for exposing criminal activity, but have yet to see any such activity exposed.

here is just one

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=69893711&postcount=4


http://liveactionnews.org/planned-parenthood-admits-to-breaking-federal-law/

and you say STING because you attempt to paint the video people as the culprits, its not a sting, PP wasnt put in any position, wasnt baited,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sting_operation

go ahead, tell me Im not a lawyer and question the source and tell us since they arent prosecuted they did nothing wrong

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

This is a good article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/22/opinion/the-campaign-of-deception-against-planned-parenthood.html

After the first trimester, dilation and evacuation is the predominant method. This involves the use of forceps to more slowly twist, tear and dismember the child -- at a more advanced stage of development. Ninety-six percent of all second trimester abortions are done this way. And as we have recently learned from the undercover videos, this is the “less crunchy” method that works best for organ harvesting.

Until now, Planned Parenthood’s insistence on committing these late term dismemberments has been a bit of a mystery. If, as Planned Parenthood claims, abortions are only 3% of its services and, as the CDC claims, post-15 and post-20 week abortions are only 5.2% and 1.4% of all abortions, then these abortions are only 0.15% and 0.04% of Planned Parenthood’s services, respectively. The awful procedure and the negative press associated with it never seemed worth it, assuming all abortions fetch the same price.

Now things are clearer. With the organ business properly factored, we see that late term abortions are two to three times more lucrative than first trimester procedures.

Here’s the math: From a young pregnant woman, living near the poverty line, Hudson Peconic Planned Parenthood in New Rochelle collects $525 for an early trimester abortion but asks $900, $375 more, for a late term abortion done with forceps. (Until July 29th, the public could link here to the Hudson Peconic Planned Parenthood online cost estimator -- curiously, after being available for years, it has been taken down.)

The bigger ticket late term abortion premium of $375 represents a 70% increase in Planned Parenthood revenue as compared to the first trimester abortion. Even before factoring in the organ harvesting, late term abortions deliver significantly more revenue.

They also deliver bigger, more marketable baby parts. From the videos we know that a practiced abortionist can skillfully dismember an older child; preserve the heart, liver, lungs or head; and sell the high quality organs for $100 apiece. Counted four times (for the heart, liver, lungs and head), good big developed baby parts add $400 to the $900 ticket, bringing the all-in late term abortion revenue to $1,300, or 2.7x the sales price of the $525 first trimester abortion.

Despite its high price, the late term abortion remains a low cost and low tech hacking. Its marginal costs are few and include seaweed based laminaria ($3.25 each) or misoprostol ($0.50-$0.75/pill) for cervical dilation, an antibiotic, antiseptic, pain medicine and a sedative, electricity to run the ultrasound (for accuracy to maximize the saleable organ yield), a garbage bag and a few disposable towels. The $900 base rate easily covers these variable costs many times over (the abortionist is a fixed overhead cost that Planned Parenthood seeks to spread over as many abortion sales as possible).

The extra $400 of organ harvesting revenue drops straight to the bottom line. The concept, defensively floated by Planned Parenthood, that the organ revenues are “reimbursement for handling expenses” is laughable – someone gives you $400 and a piece of meat to keep in the fridge for a few days, you make $400 before and after “handling expenses.” Refrigerator time is rounding error and, even if you are responsible for returning the meat, whether in Colorado or Texas, FedEx charges no more than $50 for an overnight delivery of a 5 lb. package insured at $400.

The organ revenue is found money. Without the after-market for body parts, the whole aborted baby would be thrown in the trash.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/08/planned_parenthoods_cash_cow.html#ixzz3i1uDrUxh



One might consider that the Times might have an editorial bias in favor of Planned Parenthood in general and abortion specifically.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/08/planned_parenthoods_cash_cow.html#ixzz3i1uDrUxh



One might consider that the Times might have an editorial bias in favor of Planned Parent in general and abortion specifically.

That's funny..

But the American "Thinker" doesn't have an editorial bias of it's own?

I see your little hiatus didn't improve your mental state any Cap'n Hypocrite.

 

[bg23]

Sorry, I'm not seeing where any criminal activity took place, much less the state of federal laws that were violated.

That's the point. There were none.

 

[phrodeau]

(edited)

so Im going to look thru 22 pages for you?

Too much work for you? Maybe you shouldn't have posted so much, dumbass.

 

[hashtag45]

Too much work for you? Maybe you shouldn't have posted so much, dumbass.

you need to bump up your thread about BB in a lion costume & abortions

 

[about_average]

so Im going to look thru 22 pages for you?

Yes, because you're the one who made the claim of illegal activity. The proof is on you.
I can't prove a negative, i.e., that they haven't done anything illegal. That's not how accusations work.

but the ISSUE isnt and hasnt been illegality

That's what the claims are of the people who released the videos. So It is for this thread, as I stated.

here is just one

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=69893711&postcount=4

Except it isn't. Those are out of context quotes released to support an anti-abortion agenda.
The full unedited transcript of the conversation has no reference to illegal activity.

I see now why you were reluctant to offer any "proof".

 

[2bnot2b]

Yes, because you're the one who made the claim of illegal activity. The proof is on you.
I can't prove a negative, i.e., that they haven't done anything illegal. That's not how accusations work.

That's what the claims are of the people who released the videos. So It is for this thread, as I stated.

Except it isn't. Those are out of context quotes released to support an anti-abortion agenda.
The full unedited transcript of the conversation has no reference to illegal activity.

I see now why you were reluctant to offer any "proof".

as if I didnt telegraph that response