Traitor to be released because, Israel

[someoneyouknow]

Convicted spy and American traitor Jonathan Pollard will most likely be released in the near future if the Obama administration has its way.

The Obama administration is preparing to release convicted Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard, according to U.S. officials, some of whom hope the move will smooth relations with Israel in the wake of the Iran nuclear deal.

Such a move would end a decadeslong fight over Pollard, who was arrested on charges of spying for Israel in 1985 and later sentenced to life in prison. The case has long been a source of tension between the U.S. and Israel, which has argued that a life sentence for spying on behalf of a close U.S. partner is too harsh. For decades, Israel has sought Pollard’s early release only to be rejected by the U.S.

Now, some U.S. officials are pushing for Pollard’s release in a matter of weeks. Others expect it could take months, possibly until his parole consideration date in November. Some U.S. officials strongly denied Friday there was any link between the Iran deal and Pollard’s prospective release, saying that any release decision would be made by the U.S. Parole Commission.

A White House spokesman referred questions to the Justice Department, where a spokesman declined to comment on a matter which may be before the Parole Commission.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been a vocal opponent of the deal struck between Iran and six world powers to curb Iran’s nuclear program. Discord between Israel and the U.S., longtime allies, has led to a deteriorating relationship that is the stormiest it has been in decades.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us...spy-jonathan-pollard-officials-say-2015-07-24

If this goes through all those who say Jews control American politics will rightly point to this event as a clear example of the control the Israeli lobby holds over American elected officials.

 

[sr71plt]

It's been thirty years, and he's a financial burden. I say send him to the Israelis, with the pointed note that they were spying on us through him, so the egg in this is on their face (not that we don't do it too)--and deny him entry back into the States forever. I had some involvement at the time, and he didn't do all that much damage.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I don't see any reason to keep the guy either. They are allies and close allies and his sin was being caught not what he actually did. If this is what it takes for Israel to shut up the big issue is that Obama didn't offer them this shit under the table six months ago to play it cool instead of being twatsicles.

 

[Conager]

Clearly, no one checked Tel Aviv for Obama's birth certificate.

 

[JackLuis]

I say send Pollard to Israel, gift boxed.

 

[someoneyouknow]

I say send Pollard to Israel, gift boxed.

Yes, a coffin would be nice.

 

[Sean Renaud]

If entirely uncalled for. We're not in the middle of World War III, nor is Israel an enemy. A liability? Fuck yeah. But not an enemy there is no reason at all to be antagonistic towards them.

 

[someoneyouknow]

If entirely uncalled for. We're not in the middle of World War III, nor is Israel an enemy. A liability? Fuck yeah. But not an enemy there is no reason at all to be antagonistic towards them.

Let's see. Israel violated its agreement with the U.S. to allow U.S. inspectors into the Dimona nuclear reactor at any time and without prior notice to verify it wasn't trying to acquire nuclear weapons. Instead, they hid their activities and obfuscated our efforts of verification.

They deliberately attacked, repeatedly, the USS Liberty in international waters then lied about not knowing it was a U.S. ship despite the ship broadcasting in the clear AND flying the U.S. flag.

They pursued their nuclear program with South Africa while S.A. was under sanctions for its apartheid regime, thus able to acquire nuclear weapons in violation of the above agreement.

Have thwarted all but one effort to acquire a lasting peace between they and Palestine.

Use U.S. taxpayer money to pursue its own apartheid-like policies by destroying Palesitinian homes, confiscating Palestinian land, imprisoning Palestinians for minor offenses while giving Israelis who commit more serious, even heinous crimes either no jail time or a slap on the wrist. Witness the recent ruling that two Israelis who admitted to burning alive a Palestinian will receive only 2 1/2 years in jail.

Allow their citizens to destroy Palestinian crops, attack Palestinians, build illegal houses on Palestinian land and, despite overwhelming video evidence when such crimes are committed, refuse to prosecute Israelis for these crimes.

Repeatedly and with malice deny Arabs living in Israel the right to own houses in Jerusalem, thus pursuing the same discriminatory practices once thrust upon Jews in Germany.

Have deliberately targeted UN facilities then, as usual, claim they didn't know what they were firing at despite the building having been in existence for years with flags clearly visible at all times.

Deliberately attack refugee camps then claim they were protecting themselves.

Deliberately overfly Beirut creating sonic booms, just because.

Routinely attack their neighbors then claim they are the victims.

Have harbored those claiming Israeli citizenship from being tried in U.S. courts for the murder of U.S. citizens and only now, reluctantly, will allow their citizens to be returned to the U.S. to answer for their crimes, but only under certain situations.

We put sanctions on Russia for its invasion of Ukraine yet do nothing when Israel pursues policies which we routinely castigate other countries for doing.

They have shown, repeatedly and ad nauseum, to not be our friend, using the Holocaust as the excuse for why they shouldn't be held accountable for their actions, and now, having again been caught stealing our secrets want us to release Pollard so he can be given a heroes welcome.

Sorry, no. Pollard is a traitor and does not deserve to be released and my tax money should not be going to a country which pursues apartheid policies in the same manner that South Africa was sanctioned for the same policies.

I'm presuming you don't think Snowden should be held accountable for his actions either.

 

[sr71plt]

Whether you like it or not, all countries that can spy on each other in various ways do, and even on countries that are more friend than foe (relations between states are not a white/black circumstance. That's just reality. And it's naive not to understand that). There is a protocol on this sort of thing, and it is mitigated on how we want people who have spied for us to be treated.

The man's been in prison for thirty years (which was his sentence. They just didn't give him full time value for the time he was imprisoned waiting for a trial. He, in fact, has been imprisoned for thirty years come November).

In this particular case, the damage was relatively minimal, and he took his wife's share of the guilt on himself--and the U.S. let him and let her off the hook. She actually roped him into it.

He's absolutely no threat to anything or anyone anymore, keeping him in prison is a financial burden, and his imprisonment is a thorn in relations that--admitting all you've written about Israeli-U.S. relations--are still relatively solid and necessary (although I'm certainly no fan of catering to the Israelis a lot).

The affairs of nations are just a lot more messy and complex than the simplistic Pollyannas of the world would like. That's just reality.

 

[Sean Renaud]

A lot of this needs citation and a lot of it is completely beside the point.

Citation needed for Dimona, as I understand it Israel never technically signed that treaty.

Citation needed that they attacked a US ship.

If Israel didn't agree to said sanctions it makes no difference if they worked with South Africa or Nazi Germany.

Everything between them an Palestine, atrocious as it may be, has nothing to with them being our enemy.

Citation needed on them denying housing rights. (Though this sounds realistic.)

Citation needed that they have attacked UN facilities.

Refugee camps fall under that same Palestine deal. Not our problem really. Nor is creating sonic booms (Though that needs citation.)

If these neighbors are our allies then something should be brought up. If not, still not our problem.

Lots of countries don't extradite to the barbarians who have the death penalty and torture. That's hardly unique to Israel.

Israel hasn't done anything the equivalent of Russia invading Georgia and Ukraine. That being said, still not attacking US.

Using the Holocaust as an excuse is bullshit but that doesn't show them not to be our friends. Of course they steal from us and us from them. Hell we got caught spying on Germany a few years back. That's just how countries deal with one another. If you think the Queen of England (not the Prime Minister) doesn't have a man in the White House right now stealing our shit you're outside your goddamn mind.

Pollard is a spy, and one who's been in jail for decades. No good reason to keep him any longer. Your hatred towards Israel is blinding you to common sense. The reality is Obama should have offered this up months ago so Israel would back us in the peace deal. That's the true sin here is Obama fucked up. Again.

To date it appears that Snowden has done little if any actual harm to the United States and has actually been instrumental in waking the American people up to what the government has been doing. So I'd throw the fucker a parade if I could. That's not to say he doesn't (and Pollard didn't) deserve jail time it's that after a certain point you're not doing it to keep them from causing more damage. Neither of them will ever get near sensitive information again. You're not doing it to make an example of them. Most people don't know who the fuck Pollard is. You're not doing it to hold Israel responsible for her actions. For starters clearly they still aren't held to any real standard, more importantly they are still our ally. The motivation here is spite. Pure as the driven snow. Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against pure old fashioned mean spirited, ugly for the sake of ugly spite but can we not pretend we are the noble party doing the right thing for the good of mankind and and admit we're just being petty brats trying to push kids around the playground? (And yes Israel is a bully, that doesn't make us right in this case. It makes us wrong for not doing more to keep them in check in general.)


I'm presuming you don't think Snowden should be held accountable for his actions either.[/QUOTE]

 

[sr71plt]

I'd like to see Snowden dropped in prison for a good long while if/when we can get our hands on him. You can't maintain a tenable position in today's world as a country by just letting everything in your work product that goes into formulating policy and decisions be tossed out there to an electorate which isn't all that bright or capable of being realistic and objective in a complex world. Snowden pledged not to do what he did. You can't make fully studied decisions with this going on around you. You have to be able to count on government employees to do what they contracted to do--or to walk away from the job if they can't do it. Pollard did less damage than Snowden did (who didn't stand up to his "nobility"; he cut and ran to save his own skin and is hiding in Russia and doing/revealing who knows what). Israel and Russia aren't anywhere close to being on the same threat level to the United States. So, time in the slammer to put notice on others deciding to be God.

 

[The_Trouvere]

The Israelis are our friends and allies. We should keep no secrets from them.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The Israelis are our friends and allies. We should keep no secrets from them.

That's one of the silliest things I've heard in a while. At the end of the day there are no friends, no allies. Just those who go first and those you hope you never have to take out. But make no mistake we're in this alone until they become the 51st state.

 

[demos]

With allies such as Israel, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, who needs enemies?

They are all rogue states.

Israel takes every chance they can to conjoin their own murderous quest for lebensraum with the aims of the "war on terror"

And now Turkey is bracketing the PKK with IS and is bombing the Kurds to eliminate them and their aspirations for statehood, despite the fact that the Kurds have been the most effective group group against IS, in a struggle where, probably sensibly, the west will not commit troops on the ground. So Turkey is using a long-standing policy of oppression of the Kurds to weaken the fight on IS.

Some ally, huh?

 

[Sean Renaud]

No, none of them are rogue states. Dear Jesus grow the fuck up.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I don't see the point in being friends to any of those twats....

We should sell them all weapons not as good as ours but sufficient enough for them to slaughter each other wholesale.

Then we can step in later and capitalize on the burnt remains.

 

[demos]

No, none of them are rogue states. Dear Jesus grow the fuck up.

If you lack the knowledge and understanding to assess and reply to the observation, you should probably avoid boring everyone else with such a puerile response.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I am not lacking the knowledge. They are not rogue states. It's that simple. However if you think I am incorrect in that assessment please provide citation.