You Won't Believe What the Government Spends on Confederate Graves

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You Won't Believe What the Government Spends on Confederate Graves

Taxpayers now pay more to maintain rebel graves and monuments than those honoring Union soldiers.

STEVEN I. WEISS JUL 19, 2013

On June 19, an array of top government officials gathered for the unveiling of a statue of Frederick Douglass, the 19th-century African American man born a slave who rose to be a vice-presidential candidate. That politicians and the federal government continue to memorialize black leaders and abolitionists of that era surprises no one, but few are aware of the other side of that coin: how much Washington pays to memorialize the Confederate dead.

The most visible commemoration comes every Memorial Day when the president places a wreath at the Confederate Monument in Arlington National Cemetery, the vast memorial built on an estate confiscated from Robert E. Lee. Lower down in public awareness is the fact that 10 military bases—including prominent installations like Fort Lee and Fort Bragg—are named after Confederate leaders, a fact that Jamie Malanowski highlighted and criticized in a Memorial Day New York Times op-ed that stirred a heated debate.

But even most Civil War experts don't realize the federal government has spent more than $2 million in the past decade to produce and ship headstones honoring Confederate dead, often at the request of local Confederate heritage groups in the South, and overwhelmingly in Georgia. Going back to at least 2002, the government has provided more headstones for Confederate graves than for Union soldiers' graves. In that time, the Department of Veterans Affairs has provided approximately 33,000 headstones for veterans of the Civil War. Sixty percent of those have been for Confederate soldiers.

I found out about this program in 2002 while researching the resurgence of political activity by so-called "neo-Confederate" groups in the early part of the last decade. Since then I've spoken to at least a dozen Civil War experts who had no idea it existed and were surprised to hear about it.

But they—we, our federal government—do provide headstones for Confederate dead all over the country: 18,593 of them in the last 10 years, and an average of more than 2,000 per year going back at least several years before that, according to the VA. At an average cost of around $176 to manufacture each headstone, and an average shipping cost of $75, that's more than half a million dollars every year. (The total cost over the last 10 years is lower due to inflation: In 2003, the VA told me manufacturing was closer $100 per headstone, and shipping was around $10.) By far the lion's share of these headstones are for graves in Southern states and for a number of years, Georgia had more than twice as many orders as any other state.

The Confederate headstones are provided by the VA's National Cemetery Administration. Providing headstones for America's fallen soldiers is a tradition that goes back to laws passed in 1867 and 1873 that ordered the Department of War to properly establish national cemeteries and furnish graves with headstones. In 1879, the country began furnishing headstones for veterans buried in private cemeteries, too.
 
They spend a bit to protect the copyrighted works of authors also.

But infringing copyright doesn't seem to bother you.
 
What's your point?

Ishmael

Your kind votes to defund the VA while talking out of your asses about how much you support veterans, THEN you have the minerals to order headstones for your local Klan's favorite folk hero at an expense to the tax payer while bitching about how fucking expensive and wasteful the VA you voted to defund is.

Then after all that and you get your favorite slave masta honored you say "look how broken the VA is, look at what a bad job they did, it's all because socialism is evil.......we should just shut the whole thing down, any REAL patriot who supports veterans like me would. " ......because you're scum.
 
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You Won't Believe What the Government Spends on Confederate Graves

Taxpayers now pay more to maintain rebel graves and monuments than those honoring Union soldiers.

STEVEN I. WEISS JUL 19, 2013

On June 19, an array of top government officials gathered for the unveiling of a statue of Frederick Douglass, the 19th-century African American man born a slave who rose to be a vice-presidential candidate. That politicians and the federal government continue to memorialize black leaders and abolitionists of that era surprises no one, but few are aware of the other side of that coin: how much Washington pays to memorialize the Confederate dead.

The most visible commemoration comes every Memorial Day when the president places a wreath at the Confederate Monument in Arlington National Cemetery, the vast memorial built on an estate confiscated from Robert E. Lee. Lower down in public awareness is the fact that 10 military bases—including prominent installations like Fort Lee and Fort Bragg—are named after Confederate leaders, a fact that Jamie Malanowski highlighted and criticized in a Memorial Day New York Times op-ed that stirred a heated debate.

But even most Civil War experts don't realize the federal government has spent more than $2 million in the past decade to produce and ship headstones honoring Confederate dead, often at the request of local Confederate heritage groups in the South, and overwhelmingly in Georgia. Going back to at least 2002, the government has provided more headstones for Confederate graves than for Union soldiers' graves. In that time, the Department of Veterans Affairs has provided approximately 33,000 headstones for veterans of the Civil War. Sixty percent of those have been for Confederate soldiers.

I found out about this program in 2002 while researching the resurgence of political activity by so-called "neo-Confederate" groups in the early part of the last decade. Since then I've spoken to at least a dozen Civil War experts who had no idea it existed and were surprised to hear about it.

But they—we, our federal government—do provide headstones for Confederate dead all over the country: 18,593 of them in the last 10 years, and an average of more than 2,000 per year going back at least several years before that, according to the VA. At an average cost of around $176 to manufacture each headstone, and an average shipping cost of $75, that's more than half a million dollars every year. (The total cost over the last 10 years is lower due to inflation: In 2003, the VA told me manufacturing was closer $100 per headstone, and shipping was around $10.) By far the lion's share of these headstones are for graves in Southern states and for a number of years, Georgia had more than twice as many orders as any other state.

The Confederate headstones are provided by the VA's National Cemetery Administration. Providing headstones for America's fallen soldiers is a tradition that goes back to laws passed in 1867 and 1873 that ordered the Department of War to properly establish national cemeteries and furnish graves with headstones. In 1879, the country began furnishing headstones for veterans buried in private cemeteries, too.

Hey faggot asshole, every year we give billions of foreign aid to all the Muslims and niggers and Chinese who fuck us in the ass/
 
Here's the the thing. Even if you only count what we can actually afford we've got a budget of nearly two trillion dollars. The VA being underfunded has little to do with spending 2 million on Confederate flags. It takes a LOT of 2 millions to add up to anything in a budget of this size so to me this is bitching for the sake of bitching, not actually constructive anything.
 
Your kind votes to defund the VA while talking out of your asses about how much you support veterans, THEN you have the minerals to order headstones for your local Klan's favorite folk hero at an expense to the tax payer while bitching about how fucking expensive and wasteful the VA you voted to defund is.

Then after all that and you get your favorite slave masta honored you say "look how broken the VA is, look at what a bad job they did, it's all because socialism is evil.......we should just shut the whole thing down, any REAL patriot who supports veterans like me would. " ......because you're scum.

You do know that confederate soilders are veterans right?
 
You do know that confederate soilders are veterans right?

Obviously.

Does that somehow not make it hypocritical to get your favorite Klan hero's headstone then turn around and cut funding off to the VA leaving thousands of broke dicks waiting even longer just so you assholes can turn around and go "See how bad socialism is, EVIL!! We support veterans!! Vote republican!.....hundreds of billions for contractors to make shit we won't use and don't need? Cool no problem! See how much we support our military?!?!"

:confused:

The RW doesn't get to bitch about how the government treats veterans or the military seeing as they consistently vote to fuck them every chance they get.

P.S. They are only considered as such because the United States of America was polite enough not to label them traitorous shit bags and shaming them as such.....because they would have been well within reason and every definition under the sun to have done so.
 
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You do know that confederate soilders are veterans right?

They are also dead.

Yes, and entitled to veteran benefits and pay.............by act of congress.

Ishmael

If any of them were still alive I'd take the time out to be really insulted by that but I assume even counting their families that veryf ew of them are still collecting. . .anything.
 
The Confederacy lost.

The losing side had less or no money to provide memorials to their dead. I would expect there to be more Confederate dead lacking memorials than Union dead.

A 60/40 split seems statistically probable.

Half a million dollars a year is a tiny amount in government terms.
 
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Obviously.

Does that somehow not make it hypocritical to get your favorite Klan hero's headstone then turn around and cut funding off to the VA leaving thousands of broke dicks waiting even longer just so you assholes can turn around and go "See how bad socialism is, EVIL!! We support veterans!! Vote republican!.....hundreds of billions for contractors to make shit we won't use and don't need? Cool no problem! See how much we support our military?!?!"

:confused:

The RW doesn't get to bitch about how the government treats veterans or the military seeing as they consistently vote to fuck them every chance they get.

P.S. They are only considered as such because the United States of America was polite enough not to label them traitorous shit bags and shaming them as such.....because they would have been well within reason and every definition under the sun to have done so.

Do You think democrats are any better at protecting VA rights? Because they are not. Worse even. So bitch about republicans if you want, but the fact is neither of them give a fuck, and the democrats even less. With a few exceptions VA run health care is shit and just one of many examples of why a government can not run anything but cluster fucks.

There were very few Union or confederate soilders that were not racists. Who you fought for was in large part determined by where you lived and or were stationed.
 
Do You think democrats are any better at protecting VA rights? Because they are not. Worse even. So bitch about republicans if you want, but the fact is neither of them give a fuck, and the democrats even less. With a few exceptions VA run health care is shit and just one of many examples of why a government can not run anything but cluster fucks.

There were very few Union or confederate soilders that were not racists. Who you fought for was in large part determined by where you lived and or were stationed.

First of all 'Herbal Child' is merely trying to change the subject............probably because he knows Jack Shit about history in general and the Civil War in particular.

So he attempts to drag the subject off in a new direction and blaming the repubs in the process. There are budget cuts in the Veterans Affairs budget, this is a fact. And it is the republicans that marked up the bill, that also is a fact. The reason is the outrageous overruns being racked up in the construction of a new VA hospital in Denver. Billions in overruns. The republicans are holding the VA's feet to the fire on this one, as well they should.

And I suppose he's also pissed off because the VA won't buy his pot to dispense at their pharmacy. *chuckle*

Ishmael
 
Your kind votes to defund the VA while talking out of your asses about how much you support veterans, THEN you have the minerals to order headstones for your local Klan's favorite folk hero at an expense to the tax payer while bitching about how fucking expensive and wasteful the VA you voted to defund is.

Then after all that and you get your favorite slave masta honored you say "look how broken the VA is, look at what a bad job they did, it's all because socialism is evil.......we should just shut the whole thing down, any REAL patriot who supports veterans like me would. " ......because you're scum.
Why you just scored an actual smackdown.

I'd get a lotto ticket if I needed one. Fuck it, I'll get one today and donate if I win anything.
 
They are also dead.



If any of them were still alive I'd take the time out to be really insulted by that but I assume even counting their families that veryf ew of them are still collecting. . .anything.
If any of them were still alive I would be in prison for the murder of one or more of these bastards.

Literally, as easy as it is to procure a gun today, I would sneak up on and put a bullet in the head of one of those Confederate actuals.
 
If any of them were still alive I would be in prison for the murder of one or more of these bastards.

Literally, as easy as it is to procure a gun today, I would sneak up on and put a bullet in the head of one of those Confederate actuals.

Shut up Ginger!!!

woof

Ishmael
 
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