I thought a FETUS isnt a LIVING thing,

[phrodeau]

I certainly hope this is sarcasm. If you think that the law of the land determines facts, then you're sadly mistaken. The law of the land once said black people were only 60% of a person. I hardly think that a Supreme Court decision makes something true. It makes it law.

And whether or not a fetus is life is not a matter of opinion. It either is or it isn't. Therefore, it is a matter of fact. The Supreme Court ruling doesn't determine that.

A fetus is not a live baby. It is living tissue, but it is not viable outside the womb until a certain point in its development.

Prior to that point, it shares the same status as a foreskin after circumcision. Living tissue, but not viable.

 

[badbabysitter]

I won't be pointing fingers at anyone. I'll just give you a fact.

Margaret Sanger, champion of Planned Parenthood, was a supporter of softer methods of eugenics. Her coupling those beliefs with birth control were paramount to her dream of creating a more sophisticated race. Sterilization. Birth control. Separation. All tactics advocated by Sanger in order to promote her ideals.

How African Americans could ever consider this a friendly organization is beyond me. It was founded upon the thought that blacks were inferior.

words simply can not even begin to describe the levels of stupid in this thread

sigh

do I really have to drag out my Sanger threads again and spank people with them

just apologize now before I have to shame you

 

[Yardley]

A fetus is not a live baby. It is living tissue, but it is not viable outside the womb until a certain point in its development.

Prior to that point, it shares the same status as a foreskin after circumcision. Living tissue, but not viable.

A fetus also is not a teenager, an adult, or a geriatric. What is your point? "Baby" is a word that means the same organism that a fetus is after birth as opposed to before birth.

Plenty of fetuses are viable outside the womb. You know that medical science is a thing, right? Ever heard of a neo-natal unit? You know who else uses "it" to refer to a person? Racists and homophobes. Do you stop calling the "product of conception" an "it" after it becomes viable on it's own? You do know that a human baby cannot survive on "its" own after birth either, right?

Assuming you have family and loved ones and those people decide that they want the "product of conception" and fret over its health during gestation, do you congratulate them on their non-viable tissue initially? For how long? Weeks? Months?

Your arm is living tissue. If I cut it from your body it is not viable.

 

[badbabysitter]

A fetus also is not a teenager, an adult, or a geriatric. What is your point? "Baby" is a word that means the same organism that a fetus is after birth as opposed to before birth.

Plenty of fetuses are viable outside the womb. You know that medical science is a thing, right?Ever heard of a neo-natal unit? You know who else uses "it" to refer to a person? Racists and homophobes. Do you stop calling the "product of conception" an "it" after it becomes viable on it's own? You do know that a human baby cannot survive on "its" own after birth either, right?

Assuming you have family and loved ones and those people decide that they want the "product of conception" and fret over its health during gestation, do you congratulate them on their non-viable tissue initially? For how long? Weeks? Months?

Your arm is living tissue. If I cut it from your body it is not viable.

Please stop raping science

until a fetus has developed past the 19 to 22 week stage ( and each on an individual basis) it literally can not survive outside the womb.

Period.

this is irrefutable fact

neo natal units apply only to those at 32 weeks + development

anything prior to the 19-22 week is not a baby..

stop raping science

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

A fetus also is not a teenager, an adult, or a geriatric. What is your point? "Baby" is a word that means the same organism that a fetus is after birth as opposed to before birth.

Plenty of fetuses are viable outside the womb. You know that medical science is a thing, right? Ever heard of a neo-natal unit? You know who else uses "it" to refer to a person? Racists and homophobes. Do you stop calling the "product of conception" an "it" after it becomes viable on it's own? You do know that a human baby cannot survive on "its" own after birth either, right?

Assuming you have family and loved ones and those people decide that they want the "product of conception" and fret over its health during gestation, do you congratulate them on their non-viable tissue initially? For how long? Weeks? Months?

Your arm is living tissue. If I cut it from your body it is not viable.

He said they were viable outside the womb. What's your point?

 

[Yardley]

He said they were viable outside the womb. What's your point?

What's your point?

 

[badbabysitter]

What's your point?

it means they're babies.. not fetuses

 

[phrodeau]

A fetus also is not a teenager, an adult, or a geriatric. What is your point? "Baby" is a word that means the same organism that a fetus is after birth as opposed to before birth.

Plenty of fetuses are viable outside the womb. You know that medical science is a thing, right? Ever heard of a neo-natal unit? You know who else uses "it" to refer to a person? Racists and homophobes. Do you stop calling the "product of conception" an "it" after it becomes viable on it's own? You do know that a human baby cannot survive on "its" own after birth either, right?

Assuming you have family and loved ones and those people decide that they want the "product of conception" and fret over its health during gestation, do you congratulate them on their non-viable tissue initially? For how long? Weeks? Months?

Your arm is living tissue. If I cut it from your body it is not viable.

You are echoing exactly what I said. It's not viable outside the womb until a certain point in its development. You seem to think that that point may be around sixteen years or so. I can't argue that.

And "it" is commonly used to refer to fetuses before the sex is known, even by loving parents.

http://factorydirectcraft.com/pimages/20100211163717-680870/its_a_girl_baby_charms.jpg

 

[Yardley]

You are echoing exactly what I said. It's not viable outside the womb until a certain point in its development. You seem to think that that point may be around sixteen years or so. I can't argue that.

And "it" is commonly used to refer to fetuses before the sex is known, even by loving parents.

Commonly? You sure live in a sterile, unfeeling world.

Are you under the impression that none of these aborted fetuses being torn to pieces with care in order to preserve their body parts for resale are not viable? None of them?

What do you think would be more valuable to a researcher. A nicely developed late term organ or an early partially formed one?

 

[phrodeau]

Commonly? You sure live in a sterile, unfeeling world.

Are you under the impression that none of these aborted fetuses being torn to pieces with care in order to preserve their body parts for resale are not viable? None of them?

What do you think would be more valuable to a researcher. A nicely developed late term organ or an early partially formed one?

Haven't seen any real evidence either way. Please enlighten me.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Haven't seen any real evidence either way. Please enlighten me.

I've also been looking for evidence that PP is selling body parts. Hopefully he adds me to his list of people he'll share this evidence with.

 

[Yardley]

Haven't seen any real evidence either way. Please enlighten me.

Oh, a denialist.

No problem...just wait till planned parenthood gets their PR people to massage the story through a few outlets, I am sure you will have your "real evidence" that nothing at all improper, much less despicable, is going on.

Sleep well. Your kind can sleep through any rationalization.

 

[Yardley]

I've also been looking for evidence that PP is selling body parts. Hopefully he adds me to his list of people he'll share this evidence with.

Have you tried the golf course? That is where OJ went to look for real evidence of the real killers.

No need to be at all concerned until this adminstration's Justice Department decides to investigate Planned Parenthood and their finances. Maybe they will let you tag along on their raids looking for "real evidence."

Like Phrodeau says, once you tear that little body into pieces, it is just tissue. Not viable after you stick a needle in "its" heart and kill it....no moral qualms at all should be considered.

Always enlightening to watch pro-abortion people do their mental gymnastics to rationalize never drawing any line at all, not the most reprehensible practice is too far. Lemme guess, you probably are in favor of "reasonable restrictions" on gun ownership, but not fetuses, am I right?

 

[phrodeau]

I firmly believe that fetuses should not be allowed to own guns.

 

[phrodeau]

Oh, a denialist.

No problem...just wait till planned parenthood gets their PR people to massage the story through a few outlets, I am sure you will have your "real evidence" that nothing at all improper, much less despicable, is going on.

Sleep well. Your kind can sleep through any rationalization.

You call me a denialist because I haven't seen any real evidence, but you admit that you haven't seen any real evidence, either. Shall I call you a denialist then?

 

[Tryharder62]

Where is the whole video? I can't find it.

 

[Busybody]

Where is the whole video? I can't find it.

I posted it

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Where is the whole video? I can't find it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4UjIM9B9KQ

 

[Yardley]

I firmly believe that fetuses should not be allowed to exhale carbon dioxide.

Looking over some of your other posts, you seem to have different standards for "evidence" don't you?

 

[phrodeau]

Looking over some of your other posts, you seem to have different standards for "evidence" don't you?

Again, if you have evidence, present it. If you don't, go and dangle your participles at somebody else.

 

[Yardley]

Again, if you have evidence, present it. If you don't, go and dangle your participles at somebody else.

I consider videotaped testimony about criminal behavior in the suspects own words probative. Your standards may be higher. Lots of things are criminal. Not all criminals are in jail. There are so many laws on the books that I have little doubt that you and I as we speak are individually breaking some law, somewhere although it may not apply to our respective jurisdictions.

You are aware there will be no criminal investigation here, yes? So what must the preponderance of evidence, in your view, show?

I feel her words are enough in describing her professional behavior that I find abhorrent. You (I assume) listened to her blithely remark on her practices and have no moral qualms. I cannot imbue you with a sense of outrage that you would not feel regardless of what is being done to a "not baby" not born.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I consider videotaped testimony about criminal behavior in the suspects own words probative. Your standards may be higher. Lots of things are criminal. Not all criminals are in jail. There are so many laws on the books that I have little doubt that you and I as we speak are individually breaking some law, somewhere although it may not apply to our respective jurisdictions.

You are aware there will be no criminal investigation here, yes? So what must the preponderance of evidence, in your view, show?

I feel her words are enough in describing her professional behavior that I find abhorrent. You (I assume) listened to her blithely remark on her practices and have no moral qualms. I cannot imbue you with a sense of outrage that you would not feel regardless of what is being done to a "not baby" not born.

And the video evidence you mention exists where?

 

[Yardley]

And the video evidence you mention exists where?

Who's on first?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Who's on first?

So you're just going to continue the game Phrodeau already called you out on.

You keep talking about "evidence" but when asked to provide any you change the topic.

 

[Yardley]

So you're just going to continue the game Phrodeau already called you out on.

You keep talking about "evidence" but when asked to provide any you change the topic.

"Called me out?" I was not aware that I, not Planned Parenthood was the subject of this particular controversy.

What "game?" You are the one who introduced the word "evidence' to the conversation saying that there is none. This is not a courtroom, Paul Mason.