Causes Of The Civil War

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Last night I read several chapters from Jefferson Davis' THE RISE AND FALL OF THE CONFEDERATE GOVERNMENT, in it is a fair accounting of how we got a full blown civil war in America. And from his wonky history lecture I was able to see the real deal beneath the strife. Slavery was a red herring.

By 1860, because of Western expansion, America was two rival gangs fighting over the same turf in the West. The Northern gang wanted to control and commercially exploit the new territories, so did the Southern gang. The West was fulla potential wealth" Minerals, lumber, cattle, etc. Both gangs wanted a transcontinental railroad from San Francisco to, 1. Chicago, 2. New Orleans. And the rival gangs battled within the Congress, within the Federal Government, and politically. The North dominated the House, and both sides were even in the Senate. They fought over where Federal money was spent. The North wanted improvements in the territories above latitude 30 degrees 36 minutes (the Missouri Compromise Line) and the South wanted improvements below the line. Too much of the money went for the Northern territories.

Lincoln was no mystery man, all knew he was a gunslinger for the Northern railroads and an active participant in the bloody Kansas/Missouri war. And when he was elected with a modest portion of the popular vote, the fat was in the fire. He got 39.7% of the vote.

 

[toubab]

Last night I read several chapters from Jefferson Davis' THE RISE AND FALL OF THE CONFEDERATE GOVERNMENT, in it is a fair accounting of how we got a full blown civil war in America. And from his wonky history lecture I was able to see the real deal beneath the strife. Slavery was a red herring.

By 1860, because of Western expansion, America was two rival gangs fighting over the same turf in the West. The Northern gang wanted to control and commercially exploit the new territories, so did the Southern gang. The West was fulla potential wealth" Minerals, lumber, cattle, etc. Both gangs wanted a transcontinental railroad from San Francisco to, 1. Chicago, 2. New Orleans. And the rival gangs battled within the Congress, within the Federal Government, and politically. The North dominated the House, and both sides were even in the Senate. They fought over where Federal money was spent. The North wanted improvements in the territories above latitude 30 degrees 36 minutes (the Missouri Compromise Line) and the South wanted improvements below the line. Too much of the money went for the Northern territories.

Lincoln was no mystery man, all knew he was a gunslinger for the Northern railroads and an active participant in the bloody Kansas/Missouri war. And when he was elected with a modest portion of the popular vote, the fat was in the fire. He got 39.7% of the vote.

Stop trying to confuse people by throwing around facts. Complication is hard.

 

[eyer]

You two racist pieces of shit cunts just can't help but keep gayly dancing around the meat of the matter...

...that the founding of the CSA, it's very reason of being, held as its cornerstone that slavery of blacks is the natural order of all things, only because the white race is superior to the black race.

P. fucking E. fucking R. fucking I. fucking O. fucking D.

On the key difference between the CSA constitution and the USA's:

But not to be tedious in enumerating the numerous changes for the better, allow me to allude to one other though last, not least. The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the “rock upon which the old Union would split.” He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that, somehow or other in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the “storm came and the wind blew.”

Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.

As I've maintained forever...

...the anti-slavery framer's first fucked up by agreeing to Union with the racist piece of shit framer's in the first place. They knew the slavery issue alone would eventually destroy the new nation. But just like a bunch of feel gooders, they pushed aside what they knew to be true and compromised with evil itself.

Union should have never been agreed to with the slavers...

...each side should have rightfully parted and went their own ways then.

And as I've also maintained forever...

...when God presented the nation another supreme opportunity to completely sever itself from the abomination of slavery, Lincoln fucked up by insisting that the Union had to be kept together at all costs, regardless of the issue of slavery and the Constitution itself be damned.

The Union should have gladly welcomed the CSA secession and maybe even given them lovely parting gifts...

...so better off this nation would be today if that gloriously righteous thing would have been done then.

I truly wish that the only true causation of the War Between the States - SLAVERY OF BLACKS - wasn't the factual case because, as I've also maintained forever, it is the only reason, really, I am so thankful the CSA was completely eradicated...

...both sides of this nation failing it's basic human duty to fully eradicate the despicable existence of slavery itself, I truly believe God settled the slavery issue in America by the only Moral Authority which matters.

It is written that God doesn't publish his perfect laws and consequences because he expects us to obey them (because, obviously, he already knows we won't obey them all on our self-righteous own)...

...he gives us his laws so that the logical among us will realize that there's no way in hell we can obey such perfection and, then fully understanding what our fates are because we can't possibly obey him, we turn to him in honest acknowledgement that we are not him, ask his forgiveness that we acted like we were him instead of the images of him we are, thus we - freely of our own volition - reaffirm through our sincere repentance the loving relationship he created for Father and child in the first place.

[Don't trouble yourselves or feel lonely about finding all that repulsive...

...your stepdaddy Lucifer has always had a very hard time accepting those truths, too.

Difference between you and your stepdaddy is, though: he's already been fully defeated as far as fate goes...

...while you still have the free choice to choose yours.

Well, at least as long as you breathe, that is...

...WATCH OUT FOR THAT BUS!!!]

Point is, as it applies to the outcome of the Civil War...

...God gave America the free choice to rightly choose which side of the slavery issue to proclaim for our own; he obviously gave us the perfect chance at the very start of our nation to choose wisely, and even after we fucked that up, he still gave us all the opportunity in the world to repent - but, we chose not to.

And even though he stepped-in to settle the issue for us then...

...our full, sincere repentance to him lingers still, thus only us preventing - freely, of our own volition - his love covering this issue fully so that its absolute hate can't continue to devour America's heart.


http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/cornerstone-speech/

 

[Queersetti]

Well, you couldn't find a more objective source than Jefferson Davis.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Well, you couldn't find a more objective source than Jefferson Davis.

He's available and all his claims are cited. I wanted to go with Hillary but William Safire called her talented but a congenital liar.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

South Carolina said it was over slavery.

 

[Ishmael]

Well, you couldn't find a more objective source than Jefferson Davis.

As compared to which other contemporary Q?

Ishmael

 

[toubab]

You two racist pieces of shit cunts just can't help but keep gayly dancing around the meat of the matter...

...that the founding of the CSA, it's very reason of being, held as its cornerstone that slavery of blacks is the natural order of all things, only because the white race is superior to the black race.

P. fucking E. fucking R. fucking I. fucking O. fucking D.

On the key difference between the CSA constitution and the USA's:



As I've maintained forever...

...the anti-slavery framer's first fucked up by agreeing to Union with the racist piece of shit framer's in the first place. They knew the slavery issue alone would eventually destroy the new nation. But just like a bunch of feel gooders, they pushed aside what they knew to be true and compromised with evil itself.

Union should have never been agreed to with the slavers...

...each side should have rightfully parted and went their own ways then.

And as I've also maintained forever...

...when God presented the nation another supreme opportunity to completely sever itself from the abomination of slavery, Lincoln fucked up by insisting that the Union had to be kept together at all costs, regardless of the issue of slavery and the Constitution itself be damned.

The Union should have gladly welcomed the CSA secession and maybe even given them lovely parting gifts...

...so better off this nation would be today if that gloriously righteous thing would have been done then.

I truly wish that the only true causation of the War Between the States - SLAVERY OF BLACKS - wasn't the factual case because, as I've also maintained forever, it is the only reason, really, I am so thankful the CSA was completely eradicated...

...both sides of this nation failing it's basic human duty to fully eradicate the despicable existence of slavery itself, I truly believe God settled the slavery issue in America by the only Moral Authority which matters.

It is written that God doesn't publish his perfect laws and consequences because he expects us to obey them (because, obviously, he already knows we won't obey them all on our self-righteous own)...

...he gives us his laws so that the logical among us will realize that there's no way in hell we can obey such perfection and, then fully understanding what our fates are because we can't possibly obey him, we turn to him in honest acknowledgement that we are not him, ask his forgiveness that we acted like we were him instead of the images of him we are, thus we - freely of our own volition - reaffirm through our sincere repentance the loving relationship he created for Father and child in the first place.

[Don't trouble yourselves or feel lonely about finding all that repulsive...

...your stepdaddy Lucifer has always had a very hard time accepting those truths, too.

Difference between you and your stepdaddy is, though: he's already been fully defeated as far as fate goes...

...while you still have the free choice to choose yours.

Well, at least as long as you breathe, that is...

...WATCH OUT FOR THAT BUS!!!]

Point is, as it applies to the outcome of the Civil War...

...God gave America the free choice to rightly choose which side of the slavery issue to proclaim for our own; he obviously gave us the perfect chance at the very start of our nation to choose wisely, and even after we fucked that up, he still gave us all the opportunity in the world to repent - but, we chose not to.

And even though he stepped-in to settle the issue for us then...

...our full, sincere repentance to him lingers still, thus only us preventing - freely, of our own volition - his love covering this issue fully so that its absolute hate can't continue to devour America's heart.


http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/cornerstone-speech/

Another dumbass who doesn't understand the war was over secession.

 

[toubab]

Well, you couldn't find a more objective source than Jefferson Davis.

Who would be more objective than Davis? He was a central figure to it all.

 

[toubab]

South Carolina said it was over slavery.

South Carolina said secession was partly over slavery. The war was completely over secession.

 

[sr71plt]

Who would be more objective than Davis? He was a central figure to it all.

Being a central figure automatically marks you as not being objective about the issue. It does, though, give you some credence in stating the what/why of your position.

Economics were at the base of the split. But, for the south, slavery was at the base of the south's economics.

 

[Ishmael]

Being a central figure automatically marks you as not being objective about the issue. It does, though, give you some credence in stating the what/why of your position.

Economics were at the base of the split. But, for the south, slavery was at the base of the south's economics.

For the most part that is true. It is also true that running the rails northward denied them economic access to foreign markets. (Which was silly given the primary export, cotton.)

Getting to the economics of the matter, slavery was an economic dead end. Welfare writ large. Had it not been for Eli's gin, slavery would have died out of it's own dead weight. And quite frankly that economic fact was well known among the southern slave owners.

The welfare state is nothing more than benevolent slavery with a new master.

Ishmael

 

[eyer]

Another dumbass who doesn't understand the war was over secession.

Another racist piece of shit farting excuses.

 

[toubab]

Another racist piece of shit farting excuses.

Excuses for what, genius?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

No proletariat Southerner went to war to preserve slavery. One of my ancestors wrote how slavery screwed men of jobs. The ancestor was a Revolutionary War orphan. In places like Pennsylvania orphans were placed with masters who trained and fed them, not in the South. My ancestor made do with rabbits and fishing.

In previous wars veterans got land for their military service. Land was what attracted Southern boys to the army. Plus the army was as useful as Harvard for meeting the right people.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

If you look at the written concerns of the Original 13 most conditioned their ratification of the Constitution with blatant insistence that they opposed nationalization of their state with any union. The word NATIONAL was removed from the Constitution every place it appeared. Madison and Patrick Henry had a heated exchange about the 'national' concern.

 

[toubab]

No proletariat Southerner went to war to preserve slavery. One of my ancestors wrote how slavery screwed men of jobs. The ancestor was a Revolutionary War orphan. In places like Pennsylvania orphans were placed with masters who trained and fed them, not in the South. My ancestor made do with rabbits and fishing.

In previous wars veterans got land for their military service. Land was what attracted Southern boys to the army. Plus the army was as useful as Harvard for meeting the right people.

Few Southerners owned slaves, and a good percentage of those who did were black. Not many who fought in the the war, on either side, fought to either preserve slavery or to end it. It is a myth that they did.

 

[toubab]

If you look at the written concerns of the Original 13 most conditioned their ratification of the Constitution with blatant insistence that they opposed nationalization of their state with any union. The word NATIONAL was removed from the Constitution every place it appeared. Madison and Patrick Henry had a heated exchange about the 'national' concern.

The South thought it had the right to secede. Lincoln was in a position to agree and let the South go in peace, but he rejected that idea at all costs. That is why the war occurred.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

South Carolina said secession was partly over slavery. The war was completely over secession.

I'll bite, what were the other reasons they listed?

 

[toubab]

I'll bite, what were the other reasons they listed?

Here you go, in their exact words:

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_scarsec.asp

"Confederate States of America - Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union"

"The people of the State of South Carolina, in Convention assembled, on the 26th day of April, A.D., 1852, declared that the frequent violations of the Constitution of the United States, by the Federal Government, and its encroachments upon the reserved rights of the States, fully justified this State in then withdrawing from the Federal Union; but in deference to the opinions and wishes of the other slaveholding States, she forbore at that time to exercise this right. Since that time, these encroachments have continued to increase, and further forbearance ceases to be a virtue.

And now the State of South Carolina having resumed her separate and equal place among nations, deems it due to herself, to the remaining United States of America, and to the nations of the world, that she should declare the immediate causes which have led to this act.

In the year 1765, that portion of the British Empire embracing Great Britain, undertook to make laws for the government of that portion composed of the thirteen American Colonies. A struggle for the right of self-government ensued, which resulted, on the 4th of July, 1776, in a Declaration, by the Colonies, "that they are, and of right ought to be, FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES; and that, as free and independent States, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent States may of right do."

They further solemnly declared that whenever any "form of government becomes destructive of the ends for which it was established, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute a new government." Deeming the Government of Great Britain to have become destructive of these ends, they declared that the Colonies "are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain is, and ought to be, totally dissolved."

In pursuance of this Declaration of Independence, each of the thirteen States proceeded to exercise its separate sovereignty; adopted for itself a Constitution, and appointed officers for the administration of government in all its departments-- Legislative, Executive and Judicial. For purposes of defense, they united their arms and their counsels; and, in 1778, they entered into a League known as the Articles of Confederation, whereby they agreed to entrust the administration of their external relations to a common agent, known as the Congress of the United States, expressly declaring, in the first Article "that each State retains its sovereignty, freedom and independence, and every power, jurisdiction and right which is not, by this Confederation, expressly delegated to the United States in Congress assembled."

Under this Confederation the war of the Revolution was carried on, and on the 3rd of September, 1783, the contest ended, and a definite Treaty was signed by Great Britain, in which she acknowledged the independence of the Colonies in the following terms: "ARTICLE 1-- His Britannic Majesty acknowledges the said United States, viz: New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia, to be FREE, SOVEREIGN AND INDEPENDENT STATES; that he treats with them as such; and for himself, his heirs and successors, relinquishes all claims to the government, propriety and territorial rights of the same and every part thereof."

Thus were established the two great principles asserted by the Colonies, namely: the right of a State to govern itself; and the right of a people to abolish a Government when it becomes destructive of the ends for which it was instituted. And concurrent with the establishment of these principles, was the fact, that each Colony became and was recognized by the mother Country a FREE, SOVEREIGN AND INDEPENDENT STATE.

In 1787, Deputies were appointed by the States to revise the Articles of Confederation, and on 17th September, 1787, these Deputies recommended for the adoption of the States, the Articles of Union, known as the Constitution of the United States.

The parties to whom this Constitution was submitted, were the several sovereign States; they were to agree or disagree, and when nine of them agreed the compact was to take effect among those concurring; and the General Government, as the common agent, was then invested with their authority.

If only nine of the thirteen States had concurred, the other four would have remained as they then were-- separate, sovereign States, independent of any of the provisions of the Constitution. In fact, two of the States did not accede to the Constitution until long after it had gone into operation among the other eleven; and during that interval, they each exercised the functions of an independent nation.

By this Constitution, certain duties were imposed upon the several States, and the exercise of certain of their powers was restrained, which necessarily implied their continued existence as sovereign States. But to remove all doubt, an amendment was added, which declared that the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States, respectively, or to the people. On the 23d May , 1788, South Carolina, by a Convention of her People, passed an Ordinance assenting to this Constitution, and afterwards altered her own Constitution, to conform herself to the obligations she had undertaken.

Thus was established, by compact between the States, a Government with definite objects and powers, limited to the express words of the grant. This limitation left the whole remaining mass of power subject to the clause reserving it to the States or to the people, and rendered unnecessary any specification of reserved rights.

We hold that the Government thus established is subject to the two great principles asserted in the Declaration of Independence; and we hold further, that the mode of its formation subjects it to a third fundamental principle, namely: the law of compact. We maintain that in every compact between two or more parties, the obligation is mutual; that the failure of one of the contracting parties to perform a material part of the agreement, entirely releases the obligation of the other; and that where no arbiter is provided, each party is remitted to his own judgment to determine the fact of failure, with all its consequences.

In the present case, that fact is established with certainty. We assert that fourteen of the States have deliberately refused, for years past, to fulfill their constitutional obligations, and we refer to their own Statutes for the proof.

The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article, provides as follows: "No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due."

This stipulation was so material to the compact, that without it that compact would not have been made. The greater number of the contracting parties held slaves, and they had previously evinced their estimate of the value of such a stipulation by making it a condition in the Ordinance for the government of the territory ceded by Virginia, which now composes the States north of the Ohio River.

The same article of the Constitution stipulates also for rendition by the several States of fugitives from justice from the other States.

The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. The State of New Jersey, at an early day, passed a law in conformity with her constitutional obligation; but the current of anti-slavery feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws of Congress. In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation.

The ends for which the Constitution was framed are declared by itself to be "to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity."

These ends it endeavored to accomplish by a Federal Government, in which each State was recognized as an equal, and had separate control over its own institutions. The right of property in slaves was recognized by giving to free persons distinct political rights, by giving them the right to represent, and burthening them with direct taxes for three-fifths of their slaves; by authorizing the importation of slaves for twenty years; and by stipulating for the rendition of fugitives from labor.

We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.

For twenty-five years this agitation has been steadily increasing, until it has now secured to its aid the power of the common Government. Observing the forms of the Constitution, a sectional party has found within that Article establishing the Executive Department, the means of subverting the Constitution itself. A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction.

This sectional combination for the submersion of the Constitution, has been aided in some of the States by elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens; and their votes have been used to inaugurate a new policy, hostile to the South, and destructive of its beliefs and safety.

On the 4th day of March next, this party will take possession of the Government. It has announced that the South shall be excluded from the common territory, that the judicial tribunals shall be made sectional, and that a war must be waged against slavery until it shall cease throughout the United States.

The guaranties of the Constitution will then no longer exist; the equal rights of the States will be lost. The slaveholding States will no longer have the power of self-government, or self-protection, and the Federal Government will have become their enemy.

Sectional interest and animosity will deepen the irritation, and all hope of remedy is rendered vain, by the fact that public opinion at the North has invested a great political error with the sanction of more erroneous religious belief.

We, therefore, the People of South Carolina, by our delegates in Convention assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, have solemnly declared that the Union heretofore existing between this State and the other States of North America, is dissolved, and that the State of South Carolina has resumed her position among the nations of the world, as a separate and independent State; with full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent States may of right do."
"Adopted December 24, 1860"

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Few Southerners owned slaves, and a good percentage of those who did were black. Not many who fought in the the war, on either side, fought to either preserve slavery or to end it. It is a myth that they did.

Many blacks owned slaves. I ran across a newspaper article of how a free black couple sold their daughters, and there's an old Harpers Magazine story of a black jockey who used his pay to buy a wife then sold her and their children into slavery.

The diary of black planter William Johnson of Natchez Mississippi mentions black women who came South to be slaves for the financial security Northern companies didn't provide.

 

[toubab]

Many blacks owned slaves. I ran across a newspaper article of how a free black couple sold their daughters, and there's an old Harpers Magazine story of a black jockey who used his pay to buy a wife then sold her and their children into slavery.

The diary of black planter William Johnson of Natchez Mississippi mentions black women who came South to be slaves for the financial security Northern companies didn't provide.

Some blacks bought slaves for altruistic reasons, but many bought them to make money from their labor, same as whites did. Slavery was a very old institution among all races for a reason.

 

[phrodeau]

Few Southerners owned slaves, and a good percentage of those who did were black. Not many who fought in the the war, on either side, fought to either preserve slavery or to end it. It is a myth that they did.

A good percentage? A fraction of one percent of slaveowners were black, and you ought to have known that. Not even a whole 1%, and you think it's a "good" number.

 

[toubab]

A good percentage? A fraction of one percent of slaveowners were black, and you ought to have known that. Not even a whole 1%, and you think it's a "good" number.

That's not even close to being correct. And you should know that.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Some blacks bought slaves for altruistic reasons, but many bought them to make money from their labor, same as whites did. Slavery was a very old institution among all races for a reason.

Folks ignore the fact that most people were villains bound to their manors for much of recorded history. Liberty is fairly recent.