Bree Newsome was arrested for climbing a 30-foot flagpole to remove a flag

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She's been called a cross between Rosa Parks and Spiderwoman. On June 27, 10 days after the massacre in Charleston and after days of debate about whether the confederate flag belonged at the South Carolina State Capitol, Bree Newsome decided it didn't. She strapped on climbing gear, scaled a 30-foot flagpole on the capitol grounds, and took the flag down.

She was arrested as she came down, and charged with defacing monuments on state capitol grounds. She's now out on $3,000 bond, awaiting trial. In the meantime, she became an instant online folk hero. But Newsome, who carefully planned her act of civil disobedience with a group of fellow activists—and calls it an act of "collective courage"—isn't looking for credit. After the hate-fueled killing in Charleston, she just felt that something had to be done. And though people had been calling for the flag to come off state property since it went up in 1938, she couldn't wait any longer. The time was right.

"The fact is people have been pushing for the flag to be taken down since the beginning," she says. "But white supremacy is a part of our culture. It's taken this long for the culture to progress in such a way that you have enough people who are on the side of taking it down to make it actually happen. And for a long time, these racist policies and cultural practices that we have have been undergirded by violence, by the type of violence that we saw at the Charleston massacre. And so people have been afraid to do it—I was afraid to do it, because we could face possible retaliation for something like this."

Newsome spent two full days training for the climb with the help of fellow activists, driving from parking lot to parking lot looking for poles to practice on. It was her first foray into climbing anything.
 
yeah, we all already knew about this.

Master Bates has been a bit behind in his This Day/Week In Whitesplaining What Black People Are Doing (If You've Been Living Under A Fucking Rock) anchorperson duties as of late. This particular segment's super snail speed. :(

Shipping media's a tough thing to do, even for seasoned pro's.
 
Eh, my view on this is the same as my viewpoints on any accused person in the media. I'm withholding any judgement positive or negative till she's tried and all the evidence comes to light. One of the parts of Civil Disobedience is being willing to pay the penalty for breaking the law, even if you thought such a break was necessary. So if she did violate the law, she should be punished, because a good reason (or a mediocre reason) does not give one the right to circumvent the law.
 
oh, fuck off. we get it. you're an idiot and a racist. just die already.
 
oh, fuck off. we get it. you're an idiot and a racist. just die already.

Neither actually. I believe in principles and I believe in procedures. If there a positive outcome from what she did, good! But that doesn't mean that she shouldn't have to pay a fine or whatever minor punishment results from that particular offense. Those laws are there for a reason, even if you would argue that the reason is being misused. It's the same laws that keep people from defacing the Lincoln Memorial, or the Korean War Memorial that keeps people from doing what she did.

I don't know if they'll find her guilty, she has a helluva mitigation argument. If they do, and they fine her, because I'm pretty sure that tends to result in fines, then it's a deserved fine. Whine MLK Jr. was arrested he went to prison, and did so politely and without excessive complaints. Same for Nelson Mandela, part of civil disobedience is that you have to be willing to suffer the consequence of the laws you are violating, which tends to end in much smaller punishments than violent attempts to enact change.

Edit: I'm suddenly realizing that may not have been addressed to me, if so, I still hold by my response, although it may not have been necessary.

Edit 2: Also given that I probably misread this, I'm retracting the not an idiot, but hanging onto the not a racist bit.
 
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Master Bates has been a bit behind in his This Day/Week In Whitesplaining What Black People Are Doing (If You've Been Living Under A Fucking Rock) anchorperson duties as of late. This particular segment's super snail speed. :(

Shipping media's a tough thing to do, even for seasoned pro's.

i think lifetime works best. he's been posting old ass rightwing c&p nonsense for ages now generally with no actual attempts at interaction.
 
i think lifetime works best. he's been posting old ass rightwing c&p nonsense for ages now generally with no actual attempts at interaction.

I noticed he flipped his script directly after Vetteman left.

Maybe even a bit before that, but he was always a one-post drop and run persona. Now he's getting involved, with little blurts and snarky asides.

I think most of the satellite rightwingers here got used to Vette quarterbacking for them. With his shadow gone to give them a bunker screen to squawk behind, either they try to step up into the big leagues with their junior varsity personas or they just ever-so-gradually fade out with small blinks of their Bic lighters in the darkness to prove they're still alive, like Miles.
 
So tell us all the republican or conservatives here who rally and burn the flag - These Occupy Wall Street liberals and they burned it and urinated and defecated on it.

So what kind of mental grasp do people have when they deny the truth about those who defile the US flag?
 
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Master Bates has been a bit behind in his This Day/Week In Whitesplaining What Black People Are Doing (If You've Been Living Under A Fucking Rock) anchorperson duties as of late. This particular segment's super snail speed. :(

Shipping media's a tough thing to do, even for seasoned pro's.

Coming from the let me blacksplain and whine endlessly about everything expert race baiter.

I wish your whiny ass could have been alive back in the sixties or before so you could see what 'your people' went through back when things were far worse than they are now.

But nope, you're too young and grew up just fine and went to a nice college and have a good job and....oh, you victim!

You are what's wrong with shit these days, entitled little punk acting like you've had the 'hard knock life'
 
So tell us all the republican or conservatives here who rally and burn the flag - These Occupy Wall Street liberals and they burned it and urinated and defecated on it.

So what kind of mental grasp do people have when they deny the truth about those who defile the US flag?

well, i'm starting to understand why you generally don't attempt to actually interact with other humans here.
 
Neither actually. I believe in principles and I believe in procedures. If there a positive outcome from what she did, good! But that doesn't mean that she shouldn't have to pay a fine or whatever minor punishment results from that particular offense. Those laws are there for a reason, even if you would argue that the reason is being misused. It's the same laws that keep people from defacing the Lincoln Memorial, or the Korean War Memorial that keeps people from doing what she did.

I don't know if they'll find her guilty, she has a helluva mitigation argument. If they do, and they fine her, because I'm pretty sure that tends to result in fines, then it's a deserved fine. Whine MLK Jr. was arrested he went to prison, and did so politely and without excessive complaints. Same for Nelson Mandela, part of civil disobedience is that you have to be willing to suffer the consequence of the laws you are violating, which tends to end in much smaller punishments than violent attempts to enact change.

Edit: I'm suddenly realizing that may not have been addressed to me, if so, I still hold by my response, although it may not have been necessary.

Edit 2: Also given that I probably misread this, I'm retracting the not an idiot, but hanging onto the not a racist bit.

Except you should have an opinion of your own. She is guilty, while in theory juries can find you "not guilty" for a crime you commited it's illegal for the the defense to even bring that up and most people aren't aware. The facts of this case, as with many cases are already laid bare for you to look at and judge for yourself based on whatever morals you do have.

Coming from the let me blacksplain and whine endlessly about everything expert race baiter.

I wish your whiny ass could have been alive back in the sixties or before so you could see what 'your people' went through back when things were far worse than they are now.

But nope, you're too young and grew up just fine and went to a nice college and have a good job and....oh, you victim!

You are what's wrong with shit these days, entitled little punk acting like you've had the 'hard knock life'

The fact that things used to be worse is no excuse for the way things are today. That's a stupid argument to be making. There are still miles and miles to go.
 
ah, man. now you done it. now there's like one percent chance that he'll try and completely to communicate with us like he's an actual human being or something. who needs that? he's fucking terrible at it.
 
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Flag burning is a problem? And here I thought I lived in America where I had freedom of speech. Worse I thought Republicans were defending the Confederate Flag because it's not a problem and is just a worthless peice of cloth not a symbol of something. Did that change while I was sleeping?
 
Flag burning is a problem? And here I thought I lived in America where I had freedom of speech. Worse I thought Republicans were defending the Confederate Flag because it's not a problem and is just a worthless peice of cloth not a symbol of something. Did that change while I was sleeping?
Republicans are conflicted on the issue. One side wants to idolize flags because it appeals to the idiots. The other side wants to show tolerance of dissenting views, so that others might be tolerant of theirs.
 
Coming from the let me blacksplain and whine endlessly about everything expert race baiter.

I wish your whiny ass could have been alive back in the sixties or before so you could see what 'your people' went through back when things were far worse than they are now.

But nope, you're too young and grew up just fine and went to a nice college and have a good job and....oh, you victim!

You are what's wrong with shit these days, entitled little punk acting like you've had the 'hard knock life'

https://38.media.tumblr.com/112cb25685105607003ddd05979d0cf3/tumblr_mztu6ftroV1snueb1o1_500.gif

Oh, look at this bitch stepping up to the plate. I'm so fucking surprised.

Yeah, you can whitesplain your shitty privilege away all you wanna and at the end of the day there will still be X, Y and Z until the end of your natural days that you and yours won't ever have to deal with.

Reminding you of that fact of life is not me being a victim or whining or even race-baiting, bitch, it's just me serving you reality. That broadcasting is gonna stay on channel, too.

Your very entitled and highly privileged bitch ass can't ever deal with that. Because it's an ugly truth and it hurts. Because people who are directly affected and are about that life are taking away your privileged agency to say differently. That's why you're up in here bitching to me right now. That's why you're always yapping in these shitty ACTUAL race baiting threads made by likewise ACTUAL race baiting schmucks like you know some truth outside of your skin brand just because you were white during the Fifties or Sixties or whatever Greatest Generation age it was you dropped your ballzack during and you assume it's all lollipops and unicorns for everyone today because nobody's burning crosses in your neighborhood, basketball players are making more in a season than your whole family history ever did and we use mobile computers bigger than your dick.

Well, basic bitches like you and the OP are gonna just have to deal. Since we're always the main topic of interest in your fucking lives and this place is a dumping ground for your frustrations. So hey...keep barking, Happy 4th Of July and go fuck yourself, my fellow American.

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"Online folk hero", lol, lol, lol.

Liberals on "social media" are nothing. People who discuss politics on "social media" are a tiny percentage of users. That's what's laughable when the MSM talks about something "exploding" on social media. A handful of liberals, some of them paid posters, some of them probably working for the MSM itself, orchestrate something on Twitter and the MSM acts like its relevant.

The reality is, the attacks and censorship of the Confederate heritage is having an OPPOSITE effect in the real world (outside of the establishment, its controlled media, and controlled corporate boardrooms). I'm seeing more pride both in the Confederate heritage and among whites in general than in decades. People see this is an effort to cleanse and obliterate not just a particular part of history but ultimately the ethnic identity of an entire group itself. People are saying, enough.

In fact, I'm seeing more rebel flags in fact on "social media" even from people with no connection to the South and no previous love for the Confederate heritage. Of all the horrible liberal outrages over the past few weeks, the one that does seem to be providing a backlash is the cleansing and attacks on the confederate heritage.

Long may it wave.

http://denisesdreams.com/gifs/confederate_flag.gif
 
"Online folk hero", lol, lol, lol.

Liberals on "social media" are nothing. People who discuss politics on "social media" are a tiny percentage of users. That's what's laughable when the MSM talks about something "exploding" on social media. A handful of liberals, some of them paid posters, some of them probably working for the MSM itself, orchestrate something on Twitter and the MSM acts like its relevant.

The reality is, the attacks and censorship of the Confederate heritage is having an OPPOSITE effect in the real world (outside of the establishment, its controlled media, and controlled corporate boardrooms). I'm seeing more pride both in the Confederate heritage and among whites in general than in decades. People see this is an effort to cleanse and obliterate not just a particular part of history but ultimately the ethnic identity of an entire group itself. People are saying, enough.

In fact, I'm seeing more rebel flags in fact on "social media" even from people with no connection to the South and no previous love for the Confederate heritage. Of all the horrible liberal outrages over the past few weeks, the one that does seem to be providing a backlash is the cleansing and attacks on the confederate heritage.

Long may it wave.

http://denisesdreams.com/gifs/confederate_flag.gif
So, it hasn't been banned yet?
 
As Renard proves there are tons and tons of racists in America and they are coming out for the last hurrah because this is the hill to die on. If they are defeated here they will never rise again, this will be the end of them as any sort of coherent force. You can already see the Republican party as a whole gearing up to court the Hispanics which is why this Donald Trump statement is such a huge fucking deal to them. He's so off script it's terrifying for them.
 
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