Feminists issue death threats to authors of battered men study

[LJ_Reloaded]

JACQUELOPE YOU MISOGYNIST iNFiDEL HOW DARE YOU POST THIS!!!

Shut up, male feminists. We all know you like getting beaten up by women. The rest of us are telling you to take one upside the head for the team.

http://breakingthescience.org/RichardGelles_MissingPersonsOfDV.php

The most controversial finding, as it would turn out, was that the rate of adult female-to-adult male intimate violence was the same as the rate of male-to-female violence. Not only that, but the rate of abusive female-to-male violence was the same as the rate of abusive male-to-female violence. When my colleague Murray Straus presented these findings in 1977 at a conference on the subject of battered women, he was nearly hooted and booed from the stage. When my colleague Suzanne Steinmetz published a scholarly article, "The battered husband syndrome," in 1978, the editor of the professional journal published, in the same issue, a critique of Suzanne's article.

The response to our finding that the rate of female-to-male family violence was equal to the rate of male-to-female violence not only produced heated scholarly criticism, but intense and long-lasting personal attacks. All three of us received death threats. Bomb threats were phoned in to conference centers and buildings where we were scheduled to present. Suzanne received the brunt of the attacks - individuals wrote and called her university urging that she be denied tenure; calls were made and letters were written to government agencies urging that her grant funding be rescinded. All three of us became "non persons" among domestic violence advocates. Invitations to conferences dwindled and dried up. Advocacy literature and feminist writing would cite our research, but not attribute it to us. Librarians publicly stated they would not order or shelve our books.

Not only was this study right, but other studies have shown that women are violent to women as well.

http://www.pandys.org/articles/lesbiandomesticviolence.html

Perhaps surprisingly, statistics have shown that lesbian people experience domestic violence at a very similar rate to that of heterosexual women (Waldner-Haygrud, 1997; AVP, 1992). It has been estimated that between 17-45% of lesbians have been the victim of at least one act of violence perpetrated by a female partner (Burke et al, 1999; Lie et al, 1991), and that 30% of lesbians have reported sexual assault / rape by another woman (Renzetti, 1992). Considering the lack of discussion that takes place regarding lesbian domestic violence and sexual assault, I find these figures staggering.

https://mainweb-v.musc.edu/vawprevention/lesbianrx/factsheet.shtml

ow common is lesbian partner violence?
About 17-45% of lesbians report having been the victim of a least one act of physical violence perpetrated by a lesbian partner (1,5,6,13). Types of physical abuse named by more than 10% of participants in one study included:
Disrupting other�s eating or sleeping habits
Pushing or shoving, driving recklessly to punish, and slapping, kicking, hitting, or biting (11).
Sexual abuse by a woman partner has been reported by up to 50% of lesbians (12).
Psychological abuse has been reported as occurring at least one time by 24% to 90% of lesbians (1,5,6,11,14).

http://time.com/2921491/hope-solo-women-violence/

Violence by women causes less harm due to obvious differences in size and strength, but it is by no means harmless. Women may use weapons, from knives to household objects—including highly dangerous ones such as boiling water—to neutralize their disadvantage, and men may be held back by cultural prohibitions on using force toward a woman even in self-defense. In his 2010 review, Straus concludes that in various studies, men account for 12% to 40% of those injured in heterosexual couple violence. Men also make up about 30% of intimate homicide victims—not counting cases in which women kill in self-defense. And women are at least as likely as men to kill their children—more so if one counts killings of newborns—and account for more than half of child maltreatment perpetrators.

What about same-sex violence? The February CDC study found that, over their lifetime, 44% of lesbians had been physically assaulted by a partner (more than two-thirds of them only by women), compared to 35% of straight women, 26% of gay men, and 29% of straight men. While these figures suggest that women are somewhat less likely than men to commit partner violence, they also show a fairly small gap. The findings are consistent with other evidence that same-sex relationships are no less violent than heterosexual ones.

http://everydayfeminism.com/2014/11/myths-ipv-lesbian-relationships/

After attending a training about intimate partner violence from my agency, staff at a local doctor’s office found themselves calling our hotline. They had a lesbian woman in their exam room who was terrified of her highly agitated abusive partner sitting in their waiting room. There had been significant emotional and physical abuse in their relationship.

When it was over, the survivor would be secretly ushered out the back door into a waiting cab to bring her to shelter, and law enforcement would become involved.

Of course, we then had to warn crisis line advocates who approve people for shelter to be extra cautious when screening. You see, some lesbian abusers have pretended to be victims of intimate partner violence so that they could gain entry into shelters and find their partner.

Cunning, isn’t it? Hard to believe?

So instead of attacking me, how about attacking this lie that domestic violence is a gendered thing?

How about attacking the media blackout on the fact that 30% of women in lesbian relationships report being sexually assaulted? How about attacking the problem of feminists issuing death threats to people who find that radical feminist reality just ain't reality?

These facts ain't gonna go away. I sure as fuck ain't gonna stop posting this. The harder you attack me the louder I'm going to get, until everyone on here puts me on ignore and I keep going unopposed.

If you can't refute this, you can't discredit this.

 

[hashtag45]

1.I wasn't exactly truthful in one of my previous posts to you, LJ .
In reality, I think that my attitude is a bit like yours.
- Meaning that my own experiences at work (vicarious, mostly) made me quite biased. I am personally very cautious when it comes to women in positions of power, and I have a much better impression of men, generally.

I am personally v. interested in discussing these issue - with you or other users - in order to clarify my own experiences, and to find out which of my views are distorted.



2.But I am personally facing a problem.
- on one hand, you bring up some ideas that interest me a lot, and I would like to discuss them & read yours and other people's opinions on such matters
- but on the other hand, you mix these Interesting Ideas with such Inflammatory Statements, that other users feel understandably compelled to focus on the latter

So from my point of view, your writing style tends to be self-defeating - it blocks any debate right from the start.
I wish there was a way that we could get out of yhis impasse…

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

1.I wasn't exactly truthful in one of my previous posts to you, LJ .
In reality, I think that my attitude is a bit like yours.
- Meaning that my own experiences at work (vicarious, mostly) made me quite biased. I am personally very cautious when it comes to women in positions of power, and I have a much better impression of men, generally.

I am personally v. interested in discussing these issue - with you or other users - in order to clarify my own experiences, and to find out which of my views are distorted.

Women in positions of power are no different than men in positions of power. As more women climb the ladder, the same issues will pop up.

2.But I am personally facing a problem.
- on one hand, you bring up some ideas that interest me a lot, and I would like to discuss them & read yours and other people's opinions on such matters
- but on the other hand, you mix these Interesting Ideas with such Inflammatory Statements, that other users feel understandably compelled to focus on the latter

So from my point of view, your writing style tends to be self-defeating - it blocks any debate right from the start.
I wish there was a way that we could get out of yhis impasse…

They don't respond kindly to non-inflammatory posts. That's when they come in with guns blazing.

Around here the rule is get the first shot in before someone else does.

 

[hashtag45]

1.Now things start making A Lot more sense to me.
- Because initially, when I was glossing only superficially over your posts, I thought that you were extremely young (funny avatar, flaming thread titles).
- But after taking time to read your posts - a totally different picture.

2.So my position has many parallels to yours, but instead of "femminists oppress men etc." my mantra would be the well-known expression "Nurses -in positions of power- eat their young."
I am not a nurse, but my work and training have always involved a multidisciplinary team (predominantly women). 90% of my experiences have been good, but I want to focus on the negative 10% .

3.Thanks a lot for answering. I will try to engage in your guys future debates if they intersect a bit with my personal experiences or readings.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

1.Now things start making A Lot more sense to me.
- Because initially, when I was glossing only superficially over your posts, I thought that you were extremely young (funny avatar, flaming thread titles).
- But after taking time to read your posts - a totally different picture.

2.So my position has many parallels to yours, but instead of "femminists oppress men etc." my mantra would be the well-known expression "Nurses -in positions of power- eat their young."
I am not a nurse, but my work and training have always involved a multidisciplinary team (predominantly women). 90% of my experiences have been good, but I want to focus on the negative 10% .

3.Thanks a lot for answering. I will try to engage in your guys future debates if they intersect a bit with my personal experiences or readings.

Radical feminists, actually. They respect equality much in the same way as Conservatives respect individual liberty: not at all.

 

[badbabysitter]

where exactly are the threats in this post?

 

[badbabysitter]

So instead of attacking me, how about attacking this lie that domestic violence is a gendered thing?

because no one thinks its a lie

How about attacking the media blackout on the fact that 30% of women in lesbian relationships report being sexually assaulted?

it's discussed a fair deal in feminist circles.. i can show you at least half a dozen article if you like

How about attacking the problem of feminists issuing death threats to people who find that radical feminist reality just ain't reality?

none of which you actually posted

These facts ain't gonna go away.

and no one's disputing them psycho

I sure as fuck ain't gonna stop posting this. The harder you attack me the louder I'm going to get, until everyone on here puts me on ignore and I keep going unopposed.


which is a shame,,, because I was hoping you'd actually do something productive for men instead of being angry about women

If you can't refute this, you can't discredit this.

no one's refuting anything.. we're just wondering why you only attack women instead of supporting men

 

[homewa]

I imagine anybody posting a controversial study would get death threats. I would bet a shiny silver nickel though, that the threats in this case come from batterers, not feminists. Or faux feminists at worse.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

no one's refuting anything.. we're just wondering why you only attack women instead of supporting men

Who's "we"?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I imagine anybody posting a controversial study would get death threats. I would bet a shiny silver nickel though, that the threats in this case come from batterers, not feminists. Or faux feminists at worse.

Radical extremists in the feminist movement, most likely.

 

[homewa]

Radical extremists in the feminist movement, most likely.

I doubt it. Radical Feminists aren't the type of people who do things anonymously or quietly. Also they're largely in academia, so death threats might not be exactly their speed. I mean you can see a lot of intellectually dishonest papers that come from the most radical fringes (although that's true of most radical fringes), but not so much threats of violence.

My guess would be that the threats are most likely fabrications. Anonymous death threats are VERY easy to fabricate (as we saw in the case of Anita Sarkeesian), and I imagine both sides on that debate would love to make it look like the other side is issuing death threats. But I'll be honest, neither MRAs nor Radical Feminists have the cajones for that kind of political action, faking it, sure. But actual politically motivated violence, not likely.

 

[hashtag45]

Radical extremists in the feminist movement, most likely.

I think they're all waiting for you to come up with an idea for debate.

ie something in the line of

"Women in positions of power are no different than men in positions of power. As more women climb the ladder, the same issues will pop up.. (one of your previous statements) , perhaps ?

 

[talis13]

This report describes domestic violence—violence committed
by intimate partners, immediate family members, or other
relatives—by victim and incident characteristics. Data are from
the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS). In 2003–12:
„ Domestic violence accounted for 21% of all violent crime.

„ Intimate partner violence (15%) accounted for a greater
percentage of all violent victimizations than violence
committed by immediate family members (4%) or other
relatives (2%).
„
Current or former boyfriends or girlfriends committed most
domestic violence.
„
The majority of domestic violence was committed against
females (76%) compared to males (24%).
„
A similar percentage of violence by intimate partners and
immediate family members was reported to police (56%
each). An estimated 49% of violence by other relatives was
reported to police.
„
Most domestic violence (77%) occurred at or near the
victim’s home.
„
Intimate partner violence resulted in injuries more often
than violence perpetrated by immediate family members
and other relatives.
„
A weapon was involved in a larger percentage of violence
committed by other relatives (26%) than intimate partners
(19%) and immediate family members (19%).
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ndv0312.pdf

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I think they're all waiting for you to come up with an idea for debate.

ie something in the line of

"Women in positions of power are no different than men in positions of power. As more women climb the ladder, the same issues will pop up.. (one of your previous statements) , perhaps ?

I've done that before. It ended exactly the same way.

 

[Yardley]

I think they're all waiting for you to come up with an idea for debate.

ie something in the line of

"Women in positions of power are no different than men in positions of power. As more women climb the ladder, the same issues will pop up.. (one of your previous statements) , perhaps ?

As a partnered gay man sneaking online and doing a horrible job portraying a woman what would you possibly know about women, feminists or otherwise?

Now the truth - and this is my last post towards you, InWord, as I am putting you on 'ignore'.

In reality, I am a 32 year-old professional male. I am in a relationship and I live with my partner. Up to now, I practiced the 'demure' style and the flirting with a few males on this site for a bit of fun.

I am telling you this because I am done with games and I want to concentrate on something else.

 

[hashtag45]

As a partnered gay man sneaking online and doing a horrible job portraying a woman what would you possibly know about women, feminists or otherwise?

my bf's cock is MUCH bigger than yours

 

[Yardley]

How nice for you.

 

[hashtag45]

Don't take notice of him, thread members. He's a troll who fell for my tongue-in-cheeks.

Talk about the smarts of trolls who think of themselves as superior to anyone else & enjoy giving lessons

 

[Yardley]

Don't take notice of him, thread members. He's a troll who fell for my tongue-in-cheeks.

Talk about the smarts of trolls who think of themselves as superior to anyone else & enjoy giving lessons

I think before you decide to go about "giving lessons" you should invest in some Engish as a second language classes or troll in your native tongue which is what? Idiot?

Why would someone who says he is conflict averse go about picking a fight that he lacks the command of the language to engage in? You say you will cry if anyone calls you a fucktard, then bumble about proving you are a fucktard. SMH

You crave attention. Why not start a thread with a poll. Keep it simple. Ask whether people consider you a fucktard, or not. Since you obviously get off on humiliating yourself, you will love the result of that poll.

 

[hashtag45]

I think before you decide to go about "giving lessons" you should invest in some Engish as a second language classes or troll in your native tongue which is what? Idiot?

Why would someone who says he is conflict averse go about picking a fight that he lacks the command of the language to engage in? You say you will cry if anyone calls you a fucktard, then bumble about proving you are a fucktard. SMH

You crave attention. Why not start a thread with a poll. Keep it simple. Ask whether people consider you a fucktard, or not. Since you obviously get off on humiliating yourself, you will love the result of that poll.

I ordered a prostitute. She'll arrive to your house shortly.
That will calm you a bit & keep you from digging up my older posts.

 

[Yardley]

What's the matter? Trolling wasn't as fun as you thought it was?

 

[Yardley]

Double post

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

What's the matter? Trolling wasn't as fun as you thought it was?

Are you as obnoxious and stupid in real life as you are online?