Society punishes boys who are raped by women.

[LJ_Reloaded]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/02/statutory-rape-victim-child-support/14953965/

PHOENIX — Nick Olivas became a father at 14, a fact he wouldn't learn for eight years.

While in high school, Olivas had sex with a 20-year-old woman. As he sees it now, she took advantage of a lonely kid going through a rough patch at home.

State law says a child younger than 15 cannot consent with an adult under any circumstance, making Olivas a rape victim. Olivas didn't press charges and says he didn't realize at the time that it was even something to consider.

The two went their separate ways. Olivas, now 24 and living in Phoenix, graduated from high school, went to college and became a medical assistant.

Then two years ago, the state served him with papers demanding child support. That's how he found out he had a then-6-year-old daughter.

No girl who was raped was ever punished with child support for giving up custody of the kid.

How is this equality?

 

[badbabysitter]

In the state of Illinois...11 thousand rape kits went untested


that was 11 thousand cases of false rape accusations


see how it works? injustice is not a feminist conspiracy

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

In the state of Illinois...11 thousand rape kits went untested


that was 11 thousand cases of false rape accusations


see how it works? injustice is not a feminist conspiracy

No girl who was raped was ever punished with child support for giving up custody of the kid.

Please show an example of where I am wrong.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

No girl who was raped was ever punished with child support for giving up custody of the kid.

Please show an example of where I am wrong.

If he didn't know about the kid, how could he give up custody?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

If he didn't know about the kid, how could he give up custody?

By default.

Let's say a girl is raped by an old dude and she doesn't know she had a kid. And let's say the Gods Must Be Crazy[tm] and he somehow gets custody. What Western country do you see hitting her with child support?

 

[NeonSubtlety]

I think it's a good point...although, I'm not sure if it's fair to characterize this as a societal oversight. I don't hear about this kind of thing a lot. This might be an incidental thing precisely because, generally, society looks after sexual abuse victims.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I think it's a good point...although, I'm not sure if it's fair to characterize this as a societal oversight. I don't hear about this kind of thing a lot. This might be an incidental thing precisely because, generally, society looks after sexual abuse victims.

The media buries this kind of thing.

Feminists even say women shouldn't go to jail for this. Guys like Lovecraft68 on here join them in saying that boys can't be raped.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/02/statutory-rape-victim-child-support/14953965/


No girl who was raped was ever punished with child support for giving up custody of the kid.

How is this equality?

I read the article and you're leaving out a lot of facts.

If the situation was reversed and the guy was 20 and the girl was 14, would the 14 year old girl be expected to support the child?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I read the article and you're leaving out a lot of facts.

What facts? For once, how about you explain which facts I supposedly left out.

If the situation was reversed and the guy was 20 and the girl was 14, would the 14 year old girl be expected to support the child?

No.

Any more questions?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

What facts? For once, how about you explain which facts I supposedly left out.


No.

Any more questions?

I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one unless you can show me some kind of similar case, and good luck with that.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one unless you can show me some kind of similar case, and good luck with that.

"If the situation was reversed and the guy was 20 and the girl was 14, would the 14 year old girl be expected to support the child?" To that I say nay.

The burden is on you to find a case where such a 14 year old girl was ever expected to support the child. Classic rules of debate. If you say something isn't there, the burden is on the other guy to show it's there.

You can disagree if you want, but that just means we leave it at "there's no case of an underaged female rape victim being nailed with child support."

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

"If the situation was reversed and the guy was 20 and the girl was 14, would the 14 year old girl be expected to support the child?" To that I say nay.

The burden is on you to find a case where such a 14 year old girl was ever expected to support the child. Classic rules of debate. If you say something isn't there, the burden is on the other guy to show it's there.

You can disagree if you want, but that just means we leave it at "there's no case of an underaged female rape victim being nailed with child support."

I understand that you're saying no, but you've done nothing to back that up.

Sorry, the burden is not on me to find any proof at all. It is YOUR claim that this is an unfair practice that hurts men. If you want to demonstrate that this is unfair you need to be able to prove that the legal system treats women differently than men.

If a woman in a similar situation would be expected to support the child economically than the legal system isn't treating men any differently.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I understand that you're saying no, but you've done nothing to back that up.

Sorry, the burden is not on me to find any proof at all. It is YOUR claim that this is an unfair practice that hurts men. If you want to demonstrate that this is unfair you need to be able to prove that the legal system treats women differently than men.

If a woman in a similar situation would be expected to support the child economically than the legal system isn't treating men any differently.

The burden is on you, dude. You need to show where a woman in a similar situation would be expected to support the child economically.

If you can't, then really you've got no basis for any objection.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

The burden is on you, dude. You need to show where a woman in a similar situation would be expected to support the child economically.

If you can't, then really you've got no basis for any objection.

Sorry, you're wrong.

I'll happily explain again. It is YOUR claim that men are being treated unfairly, therefore the burden is on YOU to prove that a woman would be treated differently in the same situation. Looks like you can't.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Sorry, you're wrong.

I'll happily explain again. It is YOUR claim that men are being treated unfairly, therefore the burden is on YOU to prove that a woman would be treated differently in the same situation. Looks like you can't.

Well, since there are no cases where women are treated the same, then I've proven my point.

And I will repeat again, since I am still right and you're still wrong:
The burden is on you, dude. You need to show where a woman in a similar situation would be expected to support the child economically.

You will not win this, SgtSpiderMan. I am right and I am more tenacious than twenty of you ever will be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof

In epistemology, the burden of proof or onus probandi is the obligation on a party in an epistemic dispute to provide sufficient warrant for their position.

My position is
No girl who was raped was ever punished with child support for giving up custody of the kid.

You have nothing with which to counter that. You don't have any case.

You're wrong, I'm right, we're done. You lose.

 

[homewa]

No girl who was raped was ever punished with child support for giving up custody of the kid.

Please show an example of where I am wrong.

In many many states a rapist can sue for custody, even if they are a convicted rapist, that sounds like that's injustice enough for both sides.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...=hB5XIVNctwveHOCxyhL0Nw&bvm=bv.96952980,d.aWw

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...=LiBCSkwyFPgYUz9wXQxERA&bvm=bv.96952980,d.aWw

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...=jzpHYWpBeQ3RQcVGtPhZcQ&bvm=bv.96952980,d.aWw

And in case you aren't aware, suing for parental rights can include parental support depending on the income of the rape victim in this case.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

In many many states a rapist can sue for custody, even if they are a convicted rapist, that sounds like that's injustice enough for both sides.

Either gender can do that. But still, women victims don't get punished with child support.

 

[homewa]

Either gender can do that. But still, women victims don't get punished with child support.

Yes they fucking do, that's part of suing for custody, if the rapist wins custody, then he will be awarded child support dependent on the income of the victim.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Yes they fucking do, that's part of suing for custody, if the rapist wins custody, then he will be awarded child support dependent on the income of the victim.

Well then show me where she was actually hit with that. You speak in theory. I want actual judgments.

 

[homewa]

Well then show me where she was actually hit with that. You speak in theory. I want actual judgments.

Most of the time it doesn't go to court, what happens instead is that the rapist uses the threat of suing for child support to get the woman to drop charges. Which is in my opinion a little bit worse than a tiny nip at your wallet.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Well then show me where she was actually hit with that. You speak in theory. I want actual judgments.

It's still YOUR claim, it's up to YOU to back it up.

You can't prove that men & women are treated differently in this situation and should retract your statement.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

It's still YOUR claim, it's up to YOU to back it up.

You can't prove that men & women are treated differently in this situation and should retract your statement.

And I will repeat again, since I am still right and you're still wrong:
The burden is on you, dude. You need to show where a woman in a similar situation would be expected to support the child economically.

I'm just going to keep repeating this, dude, because you're wrong.

Get the fucking hint.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

And I will repeat again, since I am still right and you're still wrong:
The burden is on you, dude. You need to show where a woman in a similar situation would be expected to support the child economically.

I'm just going to keep repeating this, dude, because you're wrong.

Get the fucking hint.

What exactly am I wrong about??? I haven't made a claim. I disagreed with you and asked you to show proof. Now you're walking your statement back and pulling an Ishmeal.

 

[homewa]

And I will repeat again, since I am still right and you're still wrong:
The burden is on you, dude. You need to show where a woman in a similar situation would be expected to support the child economically.

I'm just going to keep repeating this, dude, because you're wrong.

Get the fucking hint.

I have presented evidence in 31 fucking states a rapist can sue a woman for custody, if you win custody you get child support. I, and pretty much every guy I'm friends with has been through divorce (that's how it happens to people that are in my former profession), if you lose custody, you pay child support, that is how it fucking works.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I have presented evidence in 31 fucking states a rapist can sue a woman for custody, if you win custody you get child support.

You keep saying this, but it is not necessarily true.