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I'm pretty sure he's dead. Death is one of those things Martin doesn't bait-and-switch about. However, remember Beric and Lady Stoneheart.

He makes it up as he goes along. First book, magic was really only in creatures and the people bound to them, dire wolves and dragons.

Then we get these priests and priestesses drowning folk, burning folk, bring folk back to life...

I don't think Jon's dead. They stabbed him an awful lot, but there's tons of magic in them there wildlings, walls, dire wolves, Red Priestesses and such.

He can also come back a walker right fast and kill everyone unless he cuts himself with Long Claw.
 
Thats true but nobody dies off screen. He lets you know they're dead.

Yup, this.

Other deaths tend to be seen by other people's viewpoints.

Nobody left at Castle Black (in the series, Sam is, but in the books, he's gone to the Citadel) to see him die.

I think Catlin saw her own death, but she's back...

Jon wasn't dead when we left him, just really, really stabbed. A lot stabbed. Bunches of stabbing. Overstabbed.
 
I don't think he's entirely making it up as he goes along. It was teased that something weird was going on with Lord Beric long before we ever directly saw him, for example, and likewise teased that the return of magic was bringing all sorts of weird powers back to the world -- and not just those related to animals -- right from the first couple of books and our first glimpse of Melisandre. He's developed those themes quite consistently, really.

And I mean, there's a pretty likely trajectory marked out for Jon Snow (whose death seems pretty unambiguously described to me in that last book -- no less than, say, Catelyn Stark's -- YMMV). Melisandre is right there, we know she's a fire priestess with authentic powers -- even if she doesn't always interpret her visions correctly -- and we know what such priests can do. It's not a happy development for Jon Snow, of course... but who was actually expecting happy?
 
I don't think he's entirely making it up as he goes along. It was teased that something weird was going on with Lord Beric long before we ever directly saw him, for example, and likewise teased that the return of magic was bringing all sorts of weird powers back to the world -- and not just those related to animals -- right from the first couple of books and our first glimpse of Melisandre. He's developed those themes quite consistently, really.

And I mean, there's a pretty likely trajectory marked out for Jon Snow (whose death seems pretty unambiguously described to me in that last book -- no less than, say, Catelyn Stark's -- YMMV). Melisandre is right there, we know she's a fire priestess with authentic powers -- even if she doesn't always interpret her visions correctly -- and we know what such priests can do. It's not a happy development for Jon Snow, of course... but who was actually expecting happy?

Beric was just a dude at the joust in the first book. There were alterations in theme from the first to the second book, and then fairly consistently. The glass candles at the Citadel lighting sort of thing, yes, return of magic. Now we need an awesome smith who can make Valyrian steel and neato new stuff.

There were no humans with direct access to magic in the first book. Bran was just starting to have nightmares about three-eyed crows. I think GRRM introduced Wargs and priestesses in the second book and if he had planned it that way I don't see why it wouldn't have been better foreshadowed and more present, or be in the stories Nan told.

I'm still hoping that Coldhands is Uncle Benjen and that Nymeria is going to save the day.
 
Beric was just a dude at the joust in the first book. There were alterations in theme from the first to the second book, and then fairly consistently. The glass candles at the Citadel lighting sort of thing, yes, return of magic. Now we need an awesome smith who can make Valyrian steel and neato new stuff.

There were no humans with direct access to magic in the first book. Bran was just starting to have nightmares about three-eyed crows. I think GRRM introduced Wargs and priestesses in the second book and if he had planned it that way I don't see why it wouldn't have been better foreshadowed and more present, or be in the stories Nan told.

I'm still hoping that Coldhands is Uncle Benjen and that Nymeria is going to save the day.

I kind of thought coldhands was uncle ben from the start. It was the only thing that makes sense. Its obvious whoever it is is a whight but the question is who controls it. Cant be the walkers because this thing still has memories or some sort of mind
 
I kind of thought coldhands was uncle ben from the start. It was the only thing that makes sense. Its obvious whoever it is is a whight but the question is who controls it. Cant be the walkers because this thing still has memories or some sort of mind

They threw that into the series and I sat up. One of the Night's Watch came to Jon to draw him out by saying "Someone's here who knows about your uncle Benjen"

WHAT?! WAIT!

Oh. Look. Stabbing.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNLDLyeepVs

I love these. There are guys on youtube who try and translate metal songs

I am such a huge nerd I got it right away and started giggling. With the re-release of FFIV there's a ton of fan art out.

The video you posted is still making me giggle, mostly because it's so very, very metal.

kbate posted this one a while back, one of my favorites - O Fortuna - Misheard Lyrics...and this song is on my play list and I still hear "SALSA COOKIES!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIwrgAnx6Q8

Then there's Dragostiea Din Tea - Romanian song, listen to that enough myself and I learned the Romanian, but I still hear "Ragu sledding, yay!" or "Run from a slutty date" enough times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfEE_nYehZ8
 
Beric was just a dude at the joust in the first book.

Right, before we directly saw him at the head of his impromptu outlaw band is what I should have said.

There were alterations in theme from the first to the second book, and then fairly consistently.

That I'll buy.

I'm still hoping that Coldhands is Uncle Benjen and that Nymeria is going to save the day.

I think Coldhands being Uncle Benjen is one of the fan theories GRRM has actually outside-the-books refuted, though I can't remember where I saw that. (And based on how he's presented I think he has to be something a lot older.)

Honestly what I'm most looking forward to is some more unravelling of the mysteries about the Wall, the North and the Others (and why R'hllor, whatever it is, is plainly so interested in getting involved).

Oh, and hopefully Ramsay Bolton getting buggered and flayed and fed to his own dogs at some point.
 
Right, before we directly saw him at the head of his impromptu outlaw band is what I should have said.

That I'll buy.

I think Coldhands being Uncle Benjen is one of the fan theories GRRM has actually outside-the-books refuted, though I can't remember where I saw that. (And based on how he's presented I think he has to be something a lot older.)

Honestly what I'm most looking forward to is some more unravelling of the mysteries about the Wall, the North and the Others (and why R'hllor, whatever it is, is plainly so interested in getting involved).

Oh, and hopefully Ramsay Bolton getting buggered and flayed and fed to his own dogs at some point.

Dammit Benjen! Oh well. That sucks.

I want to know a name of the force in the North, there's R'hllor and then...Ice Dude? Ice Lady?
 
This thread is about as entertaining as reading a 1920's encyclopedia while spewing diarrhea into the toilet.
 
Just found my new theme song for Lit.

"Hollaback Boy" - Cobra Starship

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMqg7oX4k9Y

Uh-huh, holy shit
It's about time you get off my dick

A few times you been around that track
But your ass is still fat, it's gonna stay like that
'Cause I ain't your hollaback boy
I ain't your hollaback boy
[x2]

(Ooh oo) This is my shit, this is my shit
(Ooh oo) This is my shit, this is my shit
(Ooh oo) This is my shit, this is my shit
(Ooh oo) This is my shit.

You damn right I was talking shit
I told your man so you would hear it
What you doin' acting like that
Now people know what's up
So you came to my place
Saw the look on your face
I hit a home run then I kicked you out
But first I broke my pom-pom out
And now you know what's up

A few times you been around that track
But your ass is still fat, it's gonna stay like that
'Cause I ain't your hollaback boy
I ain't your hollaback boy
[x2]

(Ooh oo) This is my shit, this is my shit
(Ooh oo) This is my shit, this is my shit
(Ooh oo) This is my shit, this is my shit
(Ooh oo) This is my shit.

So last night girl, saw you under the bleachers
Giving head to a substitute teacher
Perfect grades didn't make no sense
But now it's all cleared up
And it's comin' right back
'Cause I'm telling your pack
So don't freak out when your secret's out
That's right girl, you can't deny this
Your knees is all scratched up

A few times you been around that track
But your ass is still fat, it's gonna stay like that
'Cause I ain't your hollaback boy
I ain't your hollaback boy
[x2]

(Ooh oo) This is my shit, this is my shit
(Ooh oo) This is my shit, this is my shit
(Ooh oo) This is my shit, this is my shit
(Ooh oo) This is my shit.

Let me hear you say this shit is
Super-cala-fragalistic-expialidoshus
S-U-P-E-R-C-A-L-A-F-R-A-G-A

...um...

..WHAT?

A few times you been around that track
But your ass is still fat, it's gonna stay like that
'Cause I ain't your hollaback boy
I ain't your hollaback boy
[x2]

(Ooh oo) This is my shit, this is my shit
(Ooh oo) This is my shit, this is my shit
(Ooh oo) This is my shit, this is my shit
(Ooh oo) This is my shit.
 
This thread is about as entertaining as reading a 1920's encyclopedia while spewing diarrhea into the toilet.

Odd, I feel the same way about some people's choices in avatars...I'm not saying YOURS is one of them per se.

Anway, nice garden Remy. I have a brown thumb. But again, if it doesn't make noise it doesn't get fed in my world. I WANT to have a pretty garden but I also accept the fact it would probably have to be a rock garden. :rolleyes:
 
Oh...those are tomatoes? I loathe tomatoes. They are evil. :eek:
 
Great garden remy! What are the odds those tomatoes make it to harvest?

They will. I might not get a lot out of them but I'll get some. My roma plant is huge though. My radishes are about ready for harvest. I'm getting some small squash and zucchini. Bell peppers should be ready to pick soon.
 
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