Whaere would Britain be now without the Yanks in WW2?

[duranman]

Where would Britain be now without the Yanks in WW2?

I wonder. Speaking German? Dead? All Caucasian? The mind boggles....

 

[Conager]

They would be driving much better cars.

 

[MNGuy]

Speaking Russian.

Ingsoc!

 

[hashtag45]

speaking french, dmbss!
read your history

 

[DesEsseintes]

speaking french, dmbss!
read your history

Is this a joke too subtle for my coarse mind to appreciate?

MNGuy is right - it would be Russian.

 

[hashtag45]

Is this a joke too subtle for my coarse mind to appreciate?

MNGuy is right - it would be Russian.

as expected - my kindergarter stalker - pardon teacher

 

[Pookie]

Still in the Atlantic. Duh.

 

[Busybody]

forget WWII,

worry about what you will be when Moosefucks take over

 

[hashtag45]

forget WWII,

worry about what you will be when Moosefucks take over

. .. . . .

 

[DesEsseintes]

as expected - my kindergarter stalker - pardon teacher

Kinder Garters would be an unusual branching out for a long-established company. But the surprise inside would be a lot more fun, I'd have thought.

 

[Setanta84]

Uh, the Russians fought the bulk of--and did the most to win--the European theater of WII. And then the Brits turned around and fucked them the minute Roosevelt died and they had their henpecked corporatist idiot Truman in the White House.

How badly did Churchill and Truman fuck the Russians? In tearing the guts out of the German war machine and repelling a full-blown invasion, literally half their country was leveled to the fucking ground. FDR promised Stalin that they'd help them rebuild once the war was over. Churchill and Truman told Stalin to go get fucked, rebuilt Germany instead, and went around telling the world how untrustworthy the Russians were.

 

[Recidiva]

The other question is where would America be without Britain holding the line before we dragged our smugly internment camping asses into the war?

It's possible Germany and England would be speaking Russian and America would be speaking Japanese.

 

[thør]

Uh, the Russians fought the bulk of--and did the most to win--the European theater of WII. And then the Brits turned around and fucked them the minute Roosevelt died and they had their henpecked corporatist idiot Truman in the White House.

How badly did Churchill and Truman fuck the Russians? In tearing the guts out of the German war machine and repelling a full-blown invasion, literally half their country was leveled to the fucking ground. FDR promised Stalin that they'd help them rebuild once the war was over. Churchill and Truman told Stalin to go get fucked, rebuilt Germany instead, and went around telling the world how untrustworthy the Russians were.

Then, US sent cottonwoods to Moscow when the Russians wanted shade trees. I don't believe they've ever forgiven us on that one.

 

[oggbashan]

Uh, the Russians fought the bulk of--and did the most to win--the European theater of WII. And then the Brits turned around and fucked them the minute Roosevelt died and they had their henpecked corporatist idiot Truman in the White House.

How badly did Churchill and Truman fuck the Russians? In tearing the guts out of the German war machine and repelling a full-blown invasion, literally half their country was leveled to the fucking ground. FDR promised Stalin that they'd help them rebuild once the war was over. Churchill and Truman told Stalin to go get fucked, rebuilt Germany instead, and went around telling the world how untrustworthy the Russians were.

The "Brits turned around"? The Brits were in no position to do anything. They were flat stony broke.

"Churchill and Truman told Stalin to get fucked, rebuilt Germany instead"? Churchill lost the 1945 election. He had already been sidelined at Yalta when FDR and Stalin carved up Europe between them. Britain had to be rebuilt as well as Germany. US aid went to Germany, not to Britain.

"How untrustworthy the Russians were"? They had already proved that during the war in their reception of the crews of the Arctic Convoys, and proved it again with the blockade of Berlin that needed the Berlin Airlift. Churchill was out of power at the time.

 

[sr71plt]

Still in the Atlantic. Duh.

They've moved it? The last time I checked, the Irish Sea was to the west of England, the Celtic Sea to the southeast, and the North Sea was to its east.

 

[Oh_That_Guy]

The other question is where would America be without Britain holding the line before we dragged our smugly internment camping asses into the war?

It's possible Germany and England would be speaking Russian and America would be speaking Japanese.

We joined both theaters at the same time and essentially put off the Japanese while we helped with Europe because, hysteria aside nobody really viewed the Japanese as a threat on the same scale as Germany was to the allies.
Britain did hold off the Germans until we got there but just barely and were begging for help the whole time.
At no time was America itself in any real danger of being occupied. It would have taken much, much more than the Japanese for that and even if the axis had managed it, no way was Hitler going to let them have anything when it was all said and done.
As for Europe, yes they would be speaking Russian. Nobody was going to beat them.

 

[sr71plt]

We joined both theaters at the same time and essentially put off the Japanese while we helped with Europe because, hysteria aside nobody really viewed the Japanese as a threat on the same scale as Germany was to the allies.

Japan chomped up a third of the world and sank our Pacific Fleet before we turned to them. We essentially didn't care much what they were doing up to that point for racial prejudice reasons. They weren't of European extraction as everyone "we" thought were who were worth considering.

 

[Oh_That_Guy]

Japan chomped up a third of the world and sank our Pacific Fleet before we turned to them. We essentially didn't care much what they were doing up to that point for racial prejudice reasons. They weren't of European extraction as everyone "we" thought were who were worth considering.

Had they been a real threat we would have dealt with them sooner. They weren't. Not that they were not capable of doling out the occassional ass whooping but nobody really thought they were going to take over America.
The internment camps were racially motivated but not our decision to put them off while we dealt with Europe.
Nobody puts off a real and immediate threat just because of race. We wouldnt' be here now if that was the case.

 

[MrRandyWatson]

I wonder. Speaking German? Dead? All Caucasian? The mind boggles....

The Brits were the ones who cracked the Enigma code. The Soviets were the ones who put the most on the line and fought the most in Europe. When it comes to the Allied Big 3 in Europe, America was the Chris Bosh of the group.

 

[Oh_That_Guy]

The Brits were the ones who cracked the Enigma code. The Soviets were the ones who put the most on the line and fought the most in Europe. When it comes to the Allied Big 3 in Europe, America was the Chris Bosh of the group.

Code or not, Britain was in bad shape and the rest of Europe was even worse.
They deserve a LOT of credit but without the Russians and Americans they'd be speaking German and without the Americans they'd be speaking Russian.

 

[sr71plt]

Had they been a real threat we would have dealt with them sooner. They weren't. Not that they were not capable of doling out the occassional ass whooping but nobody really thought they were going to take over America.
The internment camps were racially motivated but not our decision to put them off while we dealt with Europe.
Nobody puts off a real and immediate threat just because of race. We wouldnt' be here now if that was the case.

Well, that certainly displays a 1940's isolationist and jingoist mentality. We didn't even start with them until they had overextended themselves and been bleeding in fighting for ten years in China and the Pacific.

And, yeah, sure, a preponderance of folks in the United States in 1940 (and Europe for that matter) assumed only people of European extraction counted for anything.

Methinks you've led a sheltered, Kansas City-centered life.

 

[Setanta84]

The Brits were in no position to do anything. They were flat stony broke.

1) A sovereign government can't technically go broke.

2) You don't have to be rolling in cash to tell the henpecked imbecile now sitting at the table "Hey, Harry, maybe we shouldn't fuck over the guys who did all the grunt work in the war and honor the deal your competent, late predecessor worked out with us. Also, dropping a sci-fi experiment of a weapon of mass destruction on a civilian population against the advice of your generals as a further fuck you to the Russians might be construed as adding insult to injury and a war crime."

Churchill lost the 1945 election. He had already been sidelined at Yalta when FDR and Stalin carved up Europe between them. Britain had to be rebuilt as well as Germany. US aid went to Germany, not to Britain.

The UK general election that Churchill lost didn't happen until after the end of the war in both theaters. He was the sitting prime minister through all the deals made regarding the war itself.

To be somewhat fair to a xenophobic sociopath like Churchill, he was an equal opportunity asshole. He somewhat fucked America, too, by cutting deals with Stalin during the transition of power when FDR was busy being dead and Truman was busy being pegged by his wife or whatever he did to fill his time other than taking orders from his political campaign contributors.

Also, Britain took a beating during the German air raids but nothing compared to Russia. To get a sense of scale, imagine all civil infrastructure in the US from the Mississippi to the West Coast had been completely destroyed. That was the extent of the damage done to the USSR during the war--because Germany hit them from both the ground and the air.

"How untrustworthy the Russians were"? They had already proved that during the war in their reception of the crews of the Arctic Convoys, and proved it again with the blockade of Berlin that needed the Berlin Airlift. Churchill was out of power at the time.

Uh, if millions of my citizens had died securing your freedom and my country had been essentially razed to the ground and you not only fucked me but gave the aid you promised me to the guys who did all the razing and killing, I'd be kind of pissed, too. That's just me.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

We joined both theaters at the same time and essentially put off the Japanese while we helped with Europe because, hysteria aside nobody really viewed the Japanese as a threat on the same scale as Germany was to the allies.
Britain did hold off the Germans until we got there but just barely and were begging for help the whole time.
At no time was America itself in any real danger of being occupied. It would have taken much, much more than the Japanese for that and even if the axis had managed it, no way was Hitler going to let them have anything when it was all said and done.
As for Europe, yes they would be speaking Russian. Nobody was going to beat them.

Yep^

Hope that speaking Japanese thing was a joke..... Japan was done the second they didn't catch our carriers in Pearl. Even if they had, the best they could have hoped for was some type of deal where they kept what they had took so far...

 

[MrRandyWatson]

Code or not, Britain was in bad shape and the rest of Europe was even worse.
They deserve a LOT of credit but without the Russians and Americans they'd be speaking German and without the Americans they'd be speaking Russian.

If they had to take on the Nazis pretty much all by themselves (like if Stalin stayed neutral and Hitler kept his big nose out of the U.S.-Japan conflict) then Britain probably would have eventually fallen to the Nazis - but not without a LOT of resistance even afterwards. So yes, they did need plenty of help from the Americans and ESPECIALLY the Russians to fend off the Nazis.

However, if you ask the British to do without the Russians or the Americans - one or the other - and if they're in their right mind, they toss back the Yanks and fight with the Russians. America can glamorize D-Day, El Alamein, and the liberation of concentration camps, and they deserve praise for all of them, but the bulk of the work was done by the Russians, at least in Europe (I'll give credit to the Americans where credit is due in the Pacific, but that's a different story.)

As for postwar...that was a war fought with bullets in the Third World and with politics in most of the rest of the world. Furthermore, neither side really wanted to go to war over Britain, since the crux of the conflict seemed to be Germany. So I don't really see the Soviets getting their grubby mitts on the UK.

 

[Skiddles2015]

Where would the US be if the French didn't help them fight the British?