"Most artists hate all the work they did over 5 years ago, all the others are fools"

[TheMalevolence]

"Most artists hate all the work they did over 5 years ago, all the others are fools"

◀ I can't remember who first said the above quote originally, but I've heard it few times. ▶

So, agree or disagree? Writers are, of course, a form of artist, do you like any of your early work? Do you perhaps have some extras from your begginer stories that you love/hate?

 

[sr71plt]

The usual made-up bullshit.

 

[TxRad]

If you've improved your writing skills over the last five years, what's to hate?

Anyway, haven't you heard about that editing thing?

 

[Bramblethorn]

◀ I can't remember who first said the above quote originally, but I've heard it few times. ▶

So, agree or disagree? Writers are, of course, a form of artist, do you like any of your early work? Do you perhaps have some extras from your begginer stories that you love/hate?

Disagree. Commitment to self-improvement is great, but it can be taken too far; when I reread my old work I invariably notice something that could have been done better, but that doesn't stop me from thinking "I did that bit well, I can be proud of that".

If I worked in the expectation of coming to hate my new material in five years' time... why would I bother?

 

[rjordan]

I don't consider my relatively simple stories to be art. I consider them craft. I'm better at crafting what I do now, but I'm proud of things I crafted 5 or more years ago too. Like the carpenter who works on his own house, I see every flaw, but mostly only other craftsmen with my skills or better are going to see them. Nobody else really cares.

So, I think the quote is crap that somebody, maybe an artist, just threw out there to be rude. He'd laugh if he thought it would be considered wisdom.

rj

 

[lovecraft68]

I wouldn't say I hate it. I think stories are building blocks, you grow and learn and experiment with each one.

What I would say I feel is along the lines of "Jeez, look how bad that is" as far as grammar and word choices and seeing a lot of bad habits I have since broken. But even then I give it a positive spin of, "Hey, look how much better I have gotten" and hopefully a few years from now I look back at this years stuff and say the same thing.

 

[sr71plt]

Sure, if you're a neophyte writer, five years is going to make a noticeable difference. But if you've been writing for twenty or more years and have settled into a voice and style that suits you and maintains a reader base, there isn't much of a change of deeper development over a few years' time, and there doesn't need to be. There's such a thing as fiddling around with your voice and style too much.

It's a catchy phrase that means a whole lot more to neophyte writers and those who like to read catchy phrases and think of them as some sort of clever universal, one-size-fits-all truth that they can then repeat with a wise look.

 

[lovecraft68]

Sure, if you're a neophyte writer, five years is going to make a noticeable difference. But if you've been writing for twenty or more years and have settled into a voice and style that suits you and maintains a reader base, there isn't much of a change of deeper development over a few years' time, and there doesn't need to be.

It's a catchy phrase that means a whole lot more to neophyte writers and those who like to read catchy phrases and think of them as some sort of clever universal, one-size-fits-all truth that they can then repeat with a wise look.

See pilot, this is you being a pretentious ass. You have an issue with this discussion for some reason, but instead of leaving it be you come in and snark and try to tell us all we're wrong.

And the ironic thing is this....

It's a catchy phrase that means a whole lot more to neophyte writers and those who like to read catchy phrases and think of them as some sort of clever universal, one-size-fits-all truth that they can then repeat with a wise look.[

Is exactly what you do, you periodically fall in love with a phrase and throw it all over the place and say that it applies to every single person and say it to try to sound "wise"

Think about that. Because it is what you do. You never even think about what anyone else is saying, you know it all-for you- and tell everyone what you think you know is the biblical truth.

Its why you are not taken seriously.

 

[Setanta84]

The usual made-up bullshit.

He's sort of an authority on this subject. This, delusional/magical thinking, and bad writing.

 

[sr71plt]

What a way to talk about TheMalevolence.

No, he's just new at writing and grasping for handles. Unlike you, who apparently crapped out after just two attempts at writing two years ago.

https://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=1213997&page=submissions

 

[Setanta84]

What a way to talk about TheMalevolence.

No, he's just new at writing and grasping for handles. Unlike you, who apparently crapped out after just two attempts at writing two years ago.

https://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=1213997&page=submissions

Some of us publish and live the bulk of our lives elsewhere and don't spend all our time writing hilariously bad gay erotica and pretending to be vets on sex boards.

You ARE aware most people on the boards think you have an unjustifiably inflated ego, are a dick about it, and are also a bad writer ever by the standards of slash fic/amatuer erotica, right?

 

[sr71plt]

I guess Barney Hatecraft, the king of his local slum Wal-Mart, woke up on the wrong side the sewer after his day's work at the warehouse today. Now he's going to run all over the board yet again ranting at me. Ho hum.

 

[sr71plt]

Some of us publish and live the bulk of our lives elsewhere and don't spend all our time writing hilariously bad gay erotica and pretending to be vets on sex boards.

You ARE aware most people on the boards think you have an unjustifiably inflated ego, are a dick about it, and are also a bad writer ever by the standards of slash fic/amatuer erotica, right?

Yeah, sure (to both).

 

[Setanta84]

Yeah, sure (to both).

I personally just like pointing out your delusions. It's painfully obvious you're aware of them. People who are actually legitimately confident they are good at something don't relentlessly talk down to others to the point that they are more or less universally disliked on a service.

 

[lovecraft68]

Pilot jacks another discussion, the pariah of the AH continues making this forum uninviting for new as well as established authors here.

 

[sr71plt]

I'm crying in my beer here . . . but somehow I'll manage to survive. (*sniff, sniff*)

And I stand by my last response to this thread. If you've been writing fiction for twenty years and significantly developed over the last five, you're either a verrrry slow learner or you should pack it in. But, yeah, if you're a new writer, like Hatecraft and started with nothing but the dream of torturing and fucking your sister, or an almost never writer like Setanta84, just about any writing you do over the last five years is probably an improvement.

 

[lovecraft68]

Let's review the thread. The OP asks what people think about the statement in the thread

Post #2 pilot's very mature discussion of the subject

The usual made-up bullshit.

Post 3-6 4 authors rendering their take on the OP's post

Every post since pilot snarking and people calling him out for it.

This is a recurring pattern here as the AH"s pariah and reigning attention whore must turn every single thread into all about him.

Seems like this thread backs that.

 

[legerdemer]

Back to the OP

◀ I can't remember who first said the above quote originally, but I've heard it few times. ▶

So, agree or disagree? Writers are, of course, a form of artist, do you like any of your early work? Do you perhaps have some extras from your begginer stories that you love/hate?

I started writing fiction more than 30 years ago, as an escape from grad school (actually started in grade school in Europe, when my teacher encouraged me to continue after she liked a story I wrote). I sent a few stories out to lit mags, and despite some positive comments - back in the day when you actually got a personal note from the editor back with your paper manuscript - no one published anything of mine. I soon returned to my RL occupation and gave it all my energy, until a couple of years ago.

I still have those early stories as paper manuscripts. I don't hate them, but I sure would edit them. I know how I'd write them differently now, but the subject matter interests me less. Water under the bridge. On to the next challenge - turning on some Lit readers while enjoying and improving my writing. Working on a scifi novel at snail's pace.

I doubt that everyone hates absolutely all aspects of what they've written 5 years ago, but don't doubt all of us would have some edits. I doubt any of us would think we wrote magic droplets of gold surrounding 10 carat diamonds. But then, to write, I think you also have to be an honest critic, particularly of your own stuff.

 

[JackLuis]

Let's review the thread. The OP asks what people think about the statement in the thread

Post #2 pilot's very mature discussion of the subject



Post 3-6 4 authors rendering their take on the OP's post

Every post since pilot snarking and people calling him out for it.

This is a recurring pattern here as the AH"s pariah and reigning attention whore must turn every single thread into all about him.

Seems like this thread backs that.

That's why there is an Iggy button, so threads don't get stupid.

 

[rjordan]

That's why there is an Iggy button, so threads don't get stupid.

They don't do it because they're afraid they'll miss something--something aimed at them.

The only person I've ever put on my Iggy list was JBJ. All that forced nigger-this, nigger-that crap made me decide he wasn't someone I needed to listen to.

I hate to even mention putting him on Ignore as it will give him a swelled head and he'll become insufferable.

Nevertheless, as others responded to him, I ended up seeing all the posts as quotes so the Iggy list didn't seem to serve any purpose and I took him off.

Since then, I've noticed small polished kernels of corn in the shit storm of posts from him, topping somewhere around 50K now, so there's that. Maybe I appreciate more the huge diversity of voices available to me now, even the ones that offer to lick the edges of my comfort zone--he wishes.

rj

 

[Sammael Bard]

◀ I can't remember who first said the above quote originally, but I've heard it few times. ▶

So, agree or disagree? Writers are, of course, a form of artist, do you like any of your early work? Do you perhaps have some extras from your begginer stories that you love/hate?

Either way, you don't really care about it, do you?

 

[PervOtaku]

It partially depends on personality too. I know some artists and writers that hate whatever they did yesterday, but they have fairly low confidence in themselves to begin with anyway.