if a man has no choice in the human he cocreated..

[Busybody]

He shouldnt have a financial obligation either

Right

 

[JohnnySavage]

Nice thread, LT!

 

[Busybody]

That teh best you can do, J Black Savage?


Does the Oh Pee not make a valid point?

 

[hashtag45]

…… ..

 

[Wild_Honey_66]

the title of this thread is ridiculous.

was he raped? was he forced to cum? no?


did he have sex willingly? then he had a choice.

 

[phrodeau]

He shouldnt have a financial obligation either

Right

Can you be any more of a stereotype?

 

[Busybody]

the title of this thread is ridiculous.

was he raped? was he forced to cum? no?


did he have sex willingly? then he had a choice.

If the cunt carrying the unwanted mass can kill it, without his consent

Then he can Choose not to pay for the said mass if and when the cu t decides to expel it

 

[hashtag45]

If the cunt carrying the unwanted mass can kill it, without his consent

Then he can Choose not to pay for the said mass if and when the cu t decides to expel it

Language, Busy… You were doing so well..

 

[Busybody]

You don't speak, Dumz?

 

[BotanyBoy]

the title of this thread is ridiculous.

was he raped? was he forced to cum? no?


did he have sex willingly? then he had a choice.

You say this as if all abortions are done as a result of rape when all the data available says that' not anywhere close to being the case.

And OP does make a decent point....if dad can't have any say in the matter dad shouldn't be held responsible.

Her choice to have an abortion? Her choice to keep it....unless she has explicit consent from him then she shouldn't be entitled to a fucking thing of his.

Don't get me wrong I'm pro choice and I think women should be absolutely in charge of reproduction........they should also have absolute responsibility too.

 

[Wild_Honey_66]

You say this as if all abortions are done as a result of rape when all the data available says that' not anywhere close to being the case.

And OP does make a decent point....if dad can't have any say in the matter dad shouldn't be held responsible.

Her choice to have an abortion? Her choice to keep it....unless she has explicit consent from him then she shouldn't be entitled to a fucking thing of his.

Don't get me wrong I'm pro choice and I think women should be absolutely in charge of reproduction........they should also have absolute responsibility too.

I think you misunderstood me. I meant that he most probably had a choice as to whether or not to have sex in the first place.

I'm not a fan of casual sex. If he's not prepared to deal with the possibility of a pregnancy, then maybe he should keep it in his pants.

 

[smoothg103rd]

I don't believe in abortions. And I had a few girls get one against my will. But I didn't pay for it, and I never will. But once the child gets here, it's the man responsibility to help provide for it. That's his child. So at the end of the day, he should make sure it's provided for.

 

[hashtag45]

I don't believe in abortions. And I had a few girls get one against my will. But I didn't pay for it, and I never will. But once the child gets here, it's the man responsibility to help provide for it. That's his child. So at the end of the day, he should make sure it's provided for.

I am on the other side of the fence (I am pro-choice).

But your post illustrates perfectly why myself + others are willing to accept this discourse when it's coming from you, as opposed to it coming from Busybody and other RWA's.

It's their intolerance of others' opinions and their narcissism (it's either my way, or the highway).

 

[Wild_Honey_66]

And OP does make a decent point....if dad can't have any say in the matter dad shouldn't be held responsible.

If dad made the choice to put his cock in mom's cunt and spurt his jizz, then he is morally responsible for any resulting child.

the idea that he didn't have a say (under typical circumstances), and therefore shouldn't be held responsible is absolutely ludicrous.

 

[smoothg103rd]

I am on the other side of the fence (I am pro-choice).

But your post illustrates perfectly why myself + others are willing to accept this discourse when it's coming from you, as opposed to it coming from Busybody and other RWA's.

It's their intolerance of others' opinions and their narcissism (it's either my way, or the highway).

I think people that get abortion should be housed in the same prison as murders. At the end of the day, you're robbing someone of their life. You are not getting the baby a chance to live. Fathers that neglect their child are all types of deadbeats, child support gets involved and he will be forever consider as a piece of shit. But a mother that kills her child (by abortion) doesn't have to hear none of that shit. At least when you neglect a child, they're still living. Abortions they aren't. I will never talk a woman into getting a abortion. Even if I had 100 kids.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I think you misunderstood me. I meant that he most probably had a choice as to whether or not to have sex in the first place.

He isn't the one making the choice...when "he" makes the choice to have sex it's called rape.

I'm not a fan of casual sex. If he's not prepared to deal with the possibility of a pregnancy, then maybe he should keep it in his pants.

She get's the final say so, if she isn't ready to deal with the consequences she should keep her legs together.

You (women) get to have 100% control from saying yes to sex right up to the abortion controversy, demand absolute control over that too right??

Then say women can't be held responsible for ANY of it? The way you talk they can't even be held responsible for the sex in the first place....as if all sex was rape or some shit.

REALLY??

 

[BotanyBoy]

If dad made the choice to put his cock in mom's cunt and spurt his jizz, then he is morally responsible for any resulting child.

Mom made that choice too....and if he doesn't get to have any say in the kids survival then he shouldn't have to take any responsibility for it either.

the idea that he didn't have a say (under typical circumstances), and therefore shouldn't be held responsible is absolutely ludicrous.

I never said anything of the sort. I said women have absolute legal control over reproduction up to the various edges of the abortion controversy. Therefore they should have ultimate responsibility.

To give women ultimate legal privilege and slap men with the responsibility of carrying the weight of her choices is absolutely ludicrous.

 

[smoothg103rd]

He isn't the one making the choice...when "he" makes the choice to have sex it's called rape.



She get's the final say so, if she isn't ready to deal with the consequences she should keep her legs together.

You (women) get to have 100% control from saying yes to sex right up to the abortion controversy, demand absolute control over that too right??

Then say women can't be held responsible for ANY of it? The way you talk they can't even be held responsible for the sex in the first place....as if all sex was rape or some shit.

REALLY??

Sex is 50 50 though. She choose to fuck him, just like he choose to fuck her.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Sex is 50 50 though. She choose to fuck him, just like he choose to fuck her.

I understand that. That's why I say if it's just him making the sex choice it's called rape. WildHoney is the one who seems to think only men choose to have sex, tell her.

Women are the ones who get pregnant and have total control both legally and physiologically via numerous options if she wants to have a kid or not. Not him....condom/no condom is his only option. Should it wind up in pregnancy he doesn't even get a vote, NOTHING.

So, every sex act without a bio suit on is Russian roulette with her pulling the LEGAL trigger, all on her word and under her control. So why should he be held responsible for her choices?

 

[smoothg103rd]

I understand that. That's why I say if it's just him making the sex choice it's called rape. WildHoney is the one who seems to think only men choose to have sex, tell her.

Women are the ones who get pregnant and have total control both legally and physiologically via numerous options if she wants to have a kid or not. Not him....condom/no condom is his only option. Should it wind up in pregnancy he doesn't even get a vote, NOTHING.

So, every sex act without a bio suit on is Russian roulette with her pulling the LEGAL trigger, all on her word and under her control. So why should he be held responsible for her choices?

I get what you are saying, but you lost me at the end. What choices are you talking about?

 

[Wild_Honey_66]

BB, you're putting words into my mouth that I never said. assuming the sex was consensual, they both made a choice to engage rather than keep their clothes on. They made that child together, they both have an inherent, moral obligation to provide for it's well-being.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I get what you are saying, but you lost me at the end. What choices are you talking about?

Ok check it out....woman is the gatekeeper of reproduction.

From like 20 kinds of birth control to a few abortion choices depending on your state. When she is pregnant she has 100% control to have it or not. Until that kid is born dad has NOTHING, it's ALL mom.

And I'm not against that at all, women should have total control....I just think the responsibility should go with them.

 

[BotanyBoy]

BB, you're putting words into my mouth that I never said.

Then why all the finger pointing at "he" ?? as if mom had no fuckin say so in the matter??

assuming the sex was consensual,

Yea..didn't seem like much of an assumption with all the 'he came in her, his choice, it's HIS problem!!' .now are you willing to own up that SHE also shares the responsibility in the sex choice ??

How about the ultimate pregnancy responsibility? She didn't know she wasn't on BC? Couldn't tell him? Couldn't demand a condom??

It's HER body...remember??

they both made a choice to engage rather than keep their clothes on. They made that child together, they both have an inherent, moral obligation to provide for it's well-being.

If it were inherent this wouldn't be a discussion much less a heated social issue....morals are subjective.

The issue is a legal one...if she has total control both real and legal over having a baby should she not have the responsibility along with it?

 

[smoothg103rd]

Ok check it out....woman is the gatekeeper of reproduction.

From like 20 kinds of birth control to a few abortion choices depending on your state. When she is pregnant she has 100% control to have it or not. Until that kid is born dad has NOTHING, it's ALL mom.

And I'm not against that at all, women should have total control....I just think the responsibility should go with them.

Nah, man. It should always work both ways. But when you think about it, the woman already have most of the responsibility. Men bail out all the time. It's rare when I woman does it. The parents split up and 9 times out of 10 the child continue to live with the woman anyways. As a man, it's our job to make the woman life easier, not harder.

But that's just my point of view. But I'm a idiot. So who cares?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Nah, man. It should always work both ways. But when you think about it, the woman already have most of the responsibility. Men bail out all the time. It's rare when I woman does it. The parents split up and 9 times out of 10 the child continue to live with the woman anyways.

But that's just my point of view. But I'm a idiot. So who cares?

Who bails on who is not the issue.....who get's to fuck who's paycheck is.

If she doesn't disclose her fertility status or get consent for a child from him she shouldn't get 2/3 of his paycheck for the next 18 years.

I guess men getting a heads up is just toooo fuckin' much to ask....highly offensive to the women

As a man, it's our job to make the woman life easier, not harder.

It's not 1950 anymore bub....my having a penis doesn't mean I own vagina owners any fuckin' thing special...except where the law puts a gun to my head.