Medication of some kind: Are YOU on it?...

[duranman]

Frightening statistics in UK: Apparently 78% of adults are reliant on drugs for some reason or another. That's scary....

 

[Fata Morgana]

I'm a massive pill popper. Just taken two Solpadeines now.

 

[duranman]

I'm a massive pill popper. Just taken two Solpadeines now.

Bless. Oh, can you arrange a threesome with yourself and Glynis Barber for me please sweetie?...

 

[Fata Morgana]

Bless. Oh, can you arrange a threesome with yourself and Glynis Barber for me please sweetie?...

Isn't she lovely. There was a feature on her in the Sunday supplement t'other week and she still looks stunning.

 

[duranman]

Isn't she lovely. There was a feature on her in the Sunday supplement t'other week and she still looks stunning.

She gave me a very sore cock in the 80's. What a spunker (!) She was better than cocaine. Believe she married that dozy Yank she worked with, he was punching well above his weight. But American men see Brit women as their ultimate conquest, rather like a black man see a fat white woman...

 

[lovecraft68]

Not sure on the stat in the US, but it has to at least rival the UK.

It is sickening here, doctors no longer treat anything they give scripts and they give them to young kids who are really only in need of some attention and "work" but mom and dad are too busy on facebook to do any parenting so just give the kid some pills.

Which leads to a lifetime of pills and pills to help with the side effects of pills.

I went into to CVS to pick up a script for my wife because she's recovering from a surgery. It has a drive through that was around the building, eight.yes eight- people running around like nuts behind the counter and racks with thousands of scripts, filled to over flowing.

Guy in front of me looked to be late twenties and in damn good shape, looked like he could run through a brick wall, guy picked up 5 scripts, 5 of them...what the hell could be wrong with him?

I know...stress, anxiety, add, ocd....things people dealt with and had for years but go today, but now we take pills instead.

 

[hashtag45]

It is sickening here, doctors no longer treat anything they give scripts and they give them to young kids who are really only in need of some attention and "work" but mom and dad are too busy on facebook to do any parenting so just give the kid some pills.

Which leads to a lifetime of pills and pills to help with the side effects of pills.
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interesting… opposite to the US, where I live now.

On one hand, childhood ADHD is appropriately treated .
But there is also stigma around adults who seek treatment for ADD (suspected indiscriminately of being drug-seekers). Several of these adults were sent instead for psychoanalysis (god help them).

 

[Queersetti]

Frightening statistics in UK: Apparently 78% of adults are reliant on drugs for some reason or another. That's scary....

I have to take several medications today, but that's just to avoid death.

 

[Recidiva]

I need to take medication to be able to sleep, and that also helps prevent migraines.

 

[hashtag45]

I wonder if the current situation in the US has more to do with the US Healthcare model (current, as I am told that 10 years ago it was much better).
If the person's insurance doesn't cover all type of treatments or follow-up appointments (and patients can't afford those) - much safer to increase their medications

 

[duranman]

So from all we hear the only reason we're living so long, as nobody smokes anymore (except Jackoffking), is due to the drugs we ingest. I just occasionally have a headache tablet, like once a year, and have taken antibiotics for a tooth infection, but that's been it. It seems drugs are taken for everything in life and you can't help thinking there MUST be a natural alternative to most of these problems? Exercise for obesity/ High blood pressure/ Diabetes. Garlic and Olive Oil for cholesterol. Diet modifications for heart disease and many cancers. Zinc for impotence. Etc, etc, etc. Of course many serious diseases aren't lifestyle related, but it's so sad when we feel a pill can cure all.

A very wise woman once said to me that regular great sex keeps the doctor away. I'm sure she had a point.

 

[hashtag45]

You're right. In came my leftist personality again, that clouded things a bit for me.

I think that Definitely there is an overprescription phenomena going on (espec. for ADHD in US, as I heard), but that also a smaller portion of that picture is due to systemic factors.

PS 1 - adding to your list antidepressants. No wonder everyone seeks them with how fckd. up the whole society is nowadays

PS 2 - I am also v. frugal on medications

 

[Fata Morgana]

I need these tea bags.

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[Recidiva]

So from all we hear the only reason we're living so long, as nobody smokes anymore (except Jackoffking), is due to the drugs we ingest. I just occasionally have a headache tablet, like once a year, and have taken antibiotics for a tooth infection, but that's been it. It seems drugs are taken for everything in life and you can't help thinking there MUST be a natural alternative to most of these problems? Exercise for obesity/ High blood pressure/ Diabetes. Garlic and Olive Oil for cholesterol. Diet modifications for heart disease and many cancers. Zinc for impotence. Etc, etc, etc. Of course many serious diseases aren't lifestyle related, but it's so sad when we feel a pill can cure all.

A very wise woman once said to me that regular great sex keeps the doctor away. I'm sure she had a point.

This is medically ignorant. It's a delusion that healthy people have about themselves, that it's karma or God's blessing or good living.

What it often can be is simple luck to have a good constitution with no chemistry deficits or overproduction.

Good living can make a huge difference, but the human body is prone to a gazillion (medical term) ways to fuck up.

I agree that there is drug abuse and that it clouds the issue for those who are simply trying to live a normal life or a pain free life and aren't looking to get high or escape reality.

 

[hashtag45]

This is medically ignorant. It's a delusion that healthy people have about themselves, that it's karma or God's blessing or good living.

What it often can be is simple luck to have a good constitution with no chemistry deficits or overproduction.

Good living can make a huge difference, but the human body is prone to a gazillion (medical term) ways to fuck up.

I agree that there is drug abuse and that it clouds the issue for those who are simply trying to live a normal life or a pain free life and aren't looking to get high or escape reality.

not #ing my views like the rain but I feel that everyone's point of view is valid.

There are definitely biases out there against medications (like adhd, severe HTN, forms of pain which are clearly biological & can only be treated by medications).
Or - in other cases, there might be alternative treatments to medications - but can everyone afford physiotherapy or psychotherapy etc. in the US?

 

[oggbashan]

I take a number of prescribed pills a day.

Without them, I'd have been dead years ago.

I visit a private physiotherapist about once a month. I take no pills for the condition that needs physiotherapy even though I have had it for more than 30 years.

 

[hashtag45]

ps Reci. - sounds like Duranman went offline we lost our opponent in this debate

 

[Recidiva]

not #ing my views like the rain but I feel that everyone's point of view is valid.

There are definitely biases out there against medications (like adhd, severe HTN, forms of pain which are clearly biological & can only be treated by medications).
Or - in other cases, there might be alternative treatments to medications - but can everyone afford physiotherapy or psychotherapy etc. in the US?

I am reasonably healthy now, but still at risk for migraines, just not as much as I was before.

Having spent a lifetime being chronically ill, there is a part of the human brain that blames sick people for being sick. Whether it's from callousness or helplessness, it's a major factor that a sick person has to deal with. It's a strong bias.

There's also a bias against taking medication, again whether it is from the need to think that there's some plan and we're all built beautifully, tabula rasa and then we screw it up, I don't know. Everyone has a different costume they put it in, but it comes from the same part of the brain.

When my gallbladder tried to kill me I had all the best drugs, the best treatment, loads of sympathy.

When my brain tried to kill me every day and the pain was much worse, I was told it was my fault, I wasn't "living right" or I deserved it. Since there was no medical explanation at the time (fortunately I got to live to where one was created) I got the brunt of the ignorance, as do many people with misunderstood diagnoses. There is no question that there is a bias for health and a bias against illness, by brain chemistry, socialization and fear.

Ultimately all these biases come from ignorance of medicine and chemistry and have nothing to do with healing someone.

 

[hashtag45]

I am reasonably healthy now, but still at risk for migraines, just not as much as I was before.

Having spent a lifetime being chronically ill, there is a part of the human brain that blames sick people for being sick. Whether it's from callousness or helplessness, it's a major factor that a sick person has to deal with. It's a strong bias.

There's also a bias against taking medication, again whether it is from the need to think that there's some plan and we're all built beautifully, tabula rasa and then we screw it up, I don't know. Everyone has a different costume they put it in, but it comes from the same part of the brain.

When my gallbladder tried to kill me I had all the best drugs, the best treatment, loads of sympathy.

When my brain tried to kill me every day and the pain was much worse, I was told it was my fault, I wasn't "living right" or I deserved it. Since there was no medical explanation at the time (fortunately I got to live to where one was created) I got the brunt of the ignorance, as do many people with misunderstood diagnoses. There is no question that there is a bias for health and a bias against illness, by brain chemistry, socialization and fear.

Ultimately all these biases come from ignorance of medicine and chemistry and have nothing to do with healing someone.

1.I think that there Definitely is an overprescribing phenomena going on, but that unfortunately this hurts the people that need medications the most.
- For ex. with ADHD - I use this example because it's the most classic one youtube is flooded with podcasts.
- Because there is overprescribing, health professionals might be at risk of denying treatment to those who genuinely need it -- in order to 'cover their back' against the public outrage.

2.But the debate canNot be extended to other conditions -- where there is no black and white, as oggbashan said -- either you take the meds. or you die

3.I dont like the "keep a stiff upper lip" mentality either. When taken to extremes it becomes judgmental and even dangerous, as you said.
--- other example besides yours with the pain : like blaming the victim of bullying (yes, I'm fixated on it, I know, but seen it a lot around me) for being bullied or for displaying understandable emotions.

 

[hashtag45]

ps. - good choice for a subject for debate, Duranman.
please keep'm coming…..

 

[Recidiva]

1.I think that there Definitely is an overprescribing phenomena going on, but that unfortunately this hurts the people that need medications the most.
- For ex. with ADHD - I use this example because it's the most classic one youtube is flooded with podcasts.
- Because there is overprescribing, health professionals might be at risk of denying treatment to those who genuinely need it -- in order to 'cover their back' against the public outrage.

2.But the debate canNot be extended to other conditions -- where there is no black and white, as oggbashan said -- either you take the meds. or you die

3.I dont like the "keep a stiff upper lip" mentality either. When taken to extremes it becomes judgmental and even dangerous, as you said.
--- other example besides yours with the pain : like blaming the victim of bullying (yes, I'm fixated on it, I know, but seen it a lot around me) for being bullied or for displaying understandable emotions.

There's overprescribing and abuse, no question there.

Oddly enough as a migraineur, most medications don't work on me. Narcotics do nothing unless they're really high dose, Vicodin is equivalent to ibuprofen. Hurts less sometimes but I don't understand why anybody cares. So people like me need monster something to knock us out while we look drug seeking, because it's what addicts do, fail to respond to other medication. I get accused of being addicted to medications that barely put a dent in pain. Not sure I could be addicted, potato chips have more allure and they're not restricted.

Fortunately we've gotten better at identifying pain and treating pain and it's becoming less and less the standard to ask people to tough it out.

I don't have a solution for limiting addiction while prescribing addictive drugs that help with pain, unfortunately. Hopefully we will science our way out of this problem, being able to help addicts and help those in pain in different ways. Unfortunately an addict DOES eventually have real pain.

 

[duranman]

ps. - good choice for a subject for debate, Duranman.
please keep'm coming…..

Mate, I'm very flattered someone doesn't think every post I start is complete bollocks!

On topic, I have every sympathy for those on here and everywhere with non self inflicted conditions that require medication to keep them alive. I've had my share of bad luck illness wise and could be struck down with something wretched tomorrow. My point is how apparently reliant we are on chemicals in our body every day. Pretty much every woman I know over 40 is taking something. Jeez, even fit young guys are taking fucking steroids! Drugs are evidently keeping people alive, but doing nothing to offer a cure for the problem. The body will eventually find a way of either becoming immune to their effect, or making the body so used to them you will be an either bigger health hazard.

A fit and healthy living person who never takes drugs can still get cancer, heart attacks etc. But of course they're far less likely. And we need to get this message over to our kids, 'cos it seems we're not....

 

[Libsam]

I take birth control pills.
Yep, I'm one of the millions of women in the USA pissing excess hormones into our water systems. The reason I take the pill, instead of using other non-hormonal birth control, is to control my blood flow, cramps, and mood swings.

In my late 20s my periods turned into a bloody massacre, the first day was debilitating and I'd have to miss work.

 

[jezzilee]

I am supposed to be on meds for sleep I quit them. I have a script for Vicodin (pain meds) and flexibility (muscle relaxers) but I fill them and rarely take them. I am off any meds the dr'a have prescribed by choice and feel fantastic. You can ask any of my personalities and they all agree!

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Unfortunately, pills won't cure what's wrong with me.