I Still Have Lots Of The "Old Man" In Me.

[FGB]

Because when I read this I could not decide if I would rather put a foot up his ass or a bullet in his head... I had the strongest urge to do one or the other which would be doing the human race a favor.

The American War on Christianity.
Joseph Callahan
Writer, Artist, Business Owner, Human Being


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josep...nity_b_7206576.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

It is pretty hard now days to turn on the television or open a newspaper without hearing about "the war on Christianity" and see devout believers lamenting on how horribly they are "persecuted" in America today. With gay marriage, abortion and atheists removing God from every aspect of the government, it seems pretty obvious that we secular citizens are using separation of church and state as a new battlefield against religion. How horrible a life American Christians must be forced to live.

In Iran, Christians are being executed for their faith. In Myanmar, you can be thrown in prison just for owning a Bible. In North Korea, well, you face death just for believing any God exists. The 2015 report from the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) shows that 13 million people have fled seven countries (Syria, Iraq, Nigeria, Central African Republic (CAR), Eritrea, Burma, and Afghanistan). Many of those displaced are Christians, and mostly due to fear of violence and/or death.

The Bible, and distributing it, is restricted in over 50 countries worldwide, and spreading the gospel will land you in jail or executed in many of those. But none of this compares to the wholly American horror of (possibly) being forced to bake a cake for a gay wedding! How could we compare the American "war on Christianity" to the Christians (and other religious beliefs) persecuted worldwide? I mean, our own little bubble, and our own discomforts in the first world are all that really matter. The rest of the world isn't us, so we shouldn't compare ourselves to them, right?

In America today, you can proudly say, "I'm a Christian" and carry a Bible with you everywhere you go. You can go to any church you want to without being arrested. You can say anything you want! You can even proclaim that you worship the Giant Spaghetti Monster, and all the persecution you will receive is strange looks from some people. Yet, in this, one of the most religiously tolerant nations, Christians are screaming persecution just because our laws are changing to embrace everyone's belief structure. By not allowing one faith to force their beliefs down our legal throats, the country has launched a "war" on (one specific) faith.

Let's say, for one minute, that this perceived war on Christianity is real, that American liberals and atheists want to persecute believers out of a shear sense on malevolence. What should the Christian believer do in face of such hideous mistreatment? Let's turn to our Bibles.

Persecution should come as no big surprise if you read your Bibles. In John 15:20b (NIV), Jesus states "If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also." Well, what exactly happened to Jesus? I think being beaten and executed counts as persecution. So, since "the world" (Non-believers) persecuted Jesus, shouldn't Christians expect persecution? Even Paul warns Timothy, "All who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution," (2 Timothy 3:12 NKJV).

So, Christians, at least those who read their Bibles, should not be surprised at persecution, weather real or perceived. They should, in fact, expect it. Jesus said, "In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer..." (John 16:33 KJV), and the Apostle Peter said, "If you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name," (1 Peter 4:16 NIV). So, not only should Christians expect persecution, but they should embrace it as a way to glorify God and be more Christ-like. The last thing they should ever do is complain. "Give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you," (1 Thessalonians 5:18 ESV).

Now, American Christians don't face death or jail, like many believers in other nations do, so they are forced to find this persecution anywhere they can. They have to look hard to find it, not to whine and lament about the injustice of it all, but to grow and rejoice in their faith. It makes me wonder, if we are truly waging a war on Christianity, then aren't we really doing them a favor?

 

[phrodeau]

That makes you want to do violence? To kill somebody in Jesus' name amen?

Are there other ways that your religion can be compared to Islam?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Because when I read this I could not decide if I would rather put a foot up his ass or a bullet in his head... I had the strongest urge to do one or the other which would be doing the human race a favor.

The reason you wanted to do violence against a secular atheist with apparent seething hatred is because you got NOTHING to refute this one sentence...

" Yet, in this, one of the most religiously tolerant nations, Christians are screaming persecution just because our laws are changing to embrace everyone's belief structure. By not allowing one faith to force their beliefs down our legal throats, the country has launched a "war" on (one specific) faith. "


It sums everything up and snaps it off in your theocratic tryannical fundy whack job ass at the base.


http://cdn.meme.am/instances/56715291.jpg

 

[FGB]

The reason you wanted to do violence against a secular atheist with apparent seething hatred is because you got NOTHING to refute this one sentence...

" Yet, in this, one of the most religiously tolerant nations, Christians are screaming persecution just because our laws are changing to embrace everyone's belief structure. By not allowing one faith to force their beliefs down our legal throats, the country has launched a "war" on (one specific) faith. "


It sums everything up and snaps it off in your theocratic tryannical fundy whack job ass at the base.


http://cdn.meme.am/instances/56715291.jpg

You are late you fucking idiot!

I was worried sick!

 

[BotanyBoy]

You are late you fucking idiot!

I was worried sick!

Sorry...was out paying bills.

Not that I really expect any sort of legitimate response from you....


But why is it you think Christians deserve legal privilege and status over every other group? Exclusive rights to the USA as it were.....??

Hmm? You're obviously really bent out of shape over the fact that someone wrote an article calling Christian America on their bullshit double standards and legal privilege fuck fuck games.

It's ok....you can just ignore it and continue to fill the "Tyrannical Christian Theocracy supporter" role...right next to GB's favorite atheist/libertarian...eyer.

 

[FGB]

Why do get angry?

Because BotanyBoy, People like you and Joseph Callahan are murders and thieves of the worst kind.
Because in your ignorance and if even thinly veiled hatred toward Christians you have and will cause some people to turn away from the light that is Christianity ie. God and Jesus, without learning how to accept them and ask them in to their lives causing them to forego their eternal salvation.

Yes.
So far we have it better here in the USA than anywhere in the world. But,for how long?

And we want to keep this country better than anywhere else in every way as long as possible.

Sorry we are not going to shut up or go away in silence.

When you see as we see, hear as we hear and experience some of the things we experience people like yourself seem edging into being evil, crazy and raving madmen.

 

[JackLuis]

Why do get angry?

Because BotanyBoy, People like you and Joseph Callahan are murders and thieves of the worst kind.
-

When you see as we see, hear as we hear and experience some of the things we experience people like yourself seem edging into being evil, crazy and raving madmen.

As a follower of Christ do you;
"Love your neighbor as yourself"

As an American do you believe;
"All men are created equal and are endowed by their creator with ..."

"That liberty and justice for all..." is a justifiable goal.

Believe in the Bill of Rights, for all Americans.

If yes, why are you calling for someone's words to condemn him to death?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Holy fuck balls FGB and I might actually have a semi civil conversation.....mark the calendars folks.

Why do get angry?

Because BotanyBoy, People like you and Joseph Callahan are murders and thieves of the worst kind.

That's some pretty wild accusations!!

Because in your ignorance and if even thinly veiled hatred toward Christians you have and will cause some people to turn away from the light that is Christianity ie. God and Jesus, without learning how to accept them and ask them in to their lives causing them to forego their eternal salvation.

Sorry that's not murder and thievery anywhere but in the minds of Christians.....

YOUR beliefs do not apply to everyone around you, they are allowed to make up their own minds the same as you are yours.

And as much as you might HATE it, this also means you can't force your views upon someone else.....welcome to religious freedom.....

Yes.
So far we have it better here in the USA than anywhere in the world. But,for how long?

As long as Christians maintain their civility and neutrality. Try and run the country from the pulpit as you have been and you will continue to get smacked down....that shit doesn't fly here not even for the ultra super majority.

It's unconstitutional....direct violation of the highest law of the land, unless you can point out the "Except Jesus" clause in the 1A most conservative Christians think is there.....right.

And we want to keep this country better than anywhere else in every way as long as possible.

How so? By turning it into a theocracy like fuckin Iran?

Sorry we are not going to shut up or go away in silence.

No one wants you to....

But neither are the freedom loving constitutionalist in this country....so you theocratic types are fucked until you leave the union and start your own nation where you can force your religious views upon the public.

When you see as we see, hear as we hear and experience some of the things we experience people like yourself seem edging into being evil, crazy and raving madmen.

More wild accusations.

Please tell me what evil/crazy raving madman stuff I've done?

I'm a borderline mute cripple who lives in the mountains 47 miles from the nearest town and 8 from the nearest neighbor. I don't even kill spiders or ants...I escort them outside.

Give to charity......volunteer for environmental conservation projects regularly.......hugger of the biggest of trees on the planet.

But go ahead and tell me what a diabolical evil person I am because I don't worship YOUR god.....I'm curious to know what you come up with....seriously.

 

[BotanyBoy]

But go ahead and tell me what a diabolical evil person I am because I don't worship YOUR god.....I'm curious to know what you come up with....seriously.

https://33.media.tumblr.com/703682d641c12786d7b7bc4b59d4b469/tumblr_mumlznt6Fu1sn6wtso1_500.gif

 

[Aglaopheme]

Because when I read this I could not decide if I would rather put a foot up his ass or a bullet in his head... I had the strongest urge to do one or the other which would be doing the human race a favor.

The American War on Christianity.
Joseph Callahan
Writer, Artist, Business Owner, Human Being


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josep...nity_b_7206576.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

It is pretty hard now days to turn on the television or open a newspaper without hearing about "the war on Christianity" and see devout believers lamenting on how horribly they are "persecuted" in America today. With gay marriage, abortion and atheists removing God from every aspect of the government, it seems pretty obvious that we secular citizens are using separation of church and state as a new battlefield against religion. How horrible a life American Christians must be forced to live.

In Iran, Christians are being executed for their faith. In Myanmar, you can be thrown in prison just for owning a Bible. In North Korea, well, you face death just for believing any God exists. The 2015 report from the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) shows that 13 million people have fled seven countries (Syria, Iraq, Nigeria, Central African Republic (CAR), Eritrea, Burma, and Afghanistan). Many of those displaced are Christians, and mostly due to fear of violence and/or death.

The Bible, and distributing it, is restricted in over 50 countries worldwide, and spreading the gospel will land you in jail or executed in many of those. But none of this compares to the wholly American horror of (possibly) being forced to bake a cake for a gay wedding! How could we compare the American "war on Christianity" to the Christians (and other religious beliefs) persecuted worldwide? I mean, our own little bubble, and our own discomforts in the first world are all that really matter. The rest of the world isn't us, so we shouldn't compare ourselves to them, right?

In America today, you can proudly say, "I'm a Christian" and carry a Bible with you everywhere you go. You can go to any church you want to without being arrested. You can say anything you want! You can even proclaim that you worship the Giant Spaghetti Monster, and all the persecution you will receive is strange looks from some people. Yet, in this, one of the most religiously tolerant nations, Christians are screaming persecution just because our laws are changing to embrace everyone's belief structure. By not allowing one faith to force their beliefs down our legal throats, the country has launched a "war" on (one specific) faith.

Let's say, for one minute, that this perceived war on Christianity is real, that American liberals and atheists want to persecute believers out of a shear sense on malevolence. What should the Christian believer do in face of such hideous mistreatment? Let's turn to our Bibles.

Persecution should come as no big surprise if you read your Bibles. In John 15:20b (NIV), Jesus states "If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also." Well, what exactly happened to Jesus? I think being beaten and executed counts as persecution. So, since "the world" (Non-believers) persecuted Jesus, shouldn't Christians expect persecution? Even Paul warns Timothy, "All who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution," (2 Timothy 3:12 NKJV).

So, Christians, at least those who read their Bibles, should not be surprised at persecution, weather real or perceived. They should, in fact, expect it. Jesus said, "In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer..." (John 16:33 KJV), and the Apostle Peter said, "If you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name," (1 Peter 4:16 NIV). So, not only should Christians expect persecution, but they should embrace it as a way to glorify God and be more Christ-like. The last thing they should ever do is complain. "Give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you," (1 Thessalonians 5:18 ESV).

Now, American Christians don't face death or jail, like many believers in other nations do, so they are forced to find this persecution anywhere they can. They have to look hard to find it, not to whine and lament about the injustice of it all, but to grow and rejoice in their faith. It makes me wonder, if we are truly waging a war on Christianity, then aren't we really doing them a favor?

Substitute Qur'an, Shruti, Tripiṭaka, Torah, I Ching,vGuru Granth Sahib, Book of Mormon for the Bible in your post, with their corresponding religions where applicable, then tell me how you feel.

 

[Busybody]

DEARBORN: MUSLIM COMPANY FORCING CHRISTIAN EMPLOYEES TO WEAR HEADSCARFS


T
muslimchristianhijabA Muslim-owned arts-and-crafts store in Dearborn, Michigan is forcing its female Christian employees to wear traditional Islamic headscarves while on the job.

According to local reports, Khilāf Krafts began requiring its eight female employees to wear hijabs last week, following the U.S. Supreme Court’s 5-4 decision in Burwell v. Hobby Lobby, which gave religious rights to family-owned businesses.

Although five women working for the company are Muslims, the remaining three are practicing Christians. The company has threatened to fire any Christian woman who does not comply.

“My boss came in last Tuesday with a Koran in his hand and told us we were dressed like harlots,” says Karen Anderson, 28, a five year veteran of the company. “He gave us each a hijab and said if we didn’t wear it we’d be unemployed.

“I’m a strong believer in Jesus Christ. But my husband passed a few years ago and I need this job to support my kids. I don’t really have a choice. I have to wear it.”

The Supreme Court’s majority opinion in the Hobby Lobby case allowed the Christian-owned retail chain to opt out of a federal law requiring employers to give female employees contraceptive coverage.

Although praised by conservative Christians, liberals fret that the decision will allow companies with devout owners of any faith to opt out of American laws they simply don’t like.

In her dissent Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg expressed similar fears: “Approving some religious claims while deeming others unworthy of accommodation could be ‘perceived as favoring one religion over another,’ … The court, I fear, has ventured into a minefield.” she wrote.

Khilāf Krafts’ new policy has attracted outrage from women’s rights groups and Christian churches around the country. However, owner Khaleed El-Helani says he’s just a business owner practicing his faith.

“If Hobby Lobby can impose its religious beliefs on its employees, why can’t we?” he demands. “Are Christian business owners somehow more important than Muslim business owners?

“I read through the entire Supreme Court decision. I don’t really see what the problem is here. I’m a small, closely held business. I have devout religious beliefs. Why should I be forced to employ people if it violates my religion?”

El-Helani also says he plans on cutting off his employees’ hands if he catches them stealing, in accordance with Islamic law.

“This is what religious freedom looks like,” he explains. “Thanks John Roberts!”

 

[phrodeau]

DEARBORN: MUSLIM COMPANY FORCING CHRISTIAN EMPLOYEES TO WEAR HEADSCARFS


T
muslimchristianhijabA Muslim-owned arts-and-crafts store in Dearborn, Michigan is forcing its female Christian employees to wear traditional Islamic headscarves while on the job.

According to local reports, Khilāf Krafts began requiring its eight female employees to wear hijabs last week, following the U.S. Supreme Court’s 5-4 decision in Burwell v. Hobby Lobby, which gave religious rights to family-owned businesses.

Although five women working for the company are Muslims, the remaining three are practicing Christians. The company has threatened to fire any Christian woman who does not comply.

“My boss came in last Tuesday with a Koran in his hand and told us we were dressed like harlots,” says Karen Anderson, 28, a five year veteran of the company. “He gave us each a hijab and said if we didn’t wear it we’d be unemployed.

“I’m a strong believer in Jesus Christ. But my husband passed a few years ago and I need this job to support my kids. I don’t really have a choice. I have to wear it.”

The Supreme Court’s majority opinion in the Hobby Lobby case allowed the Christian-owned retail chain to opt out of a federal law requiring employers to give female employees contraceptive coverage.

Although praised by conservative Christians, liberals fret that the decision will allow companies with devout owners of any faith to opt out of American laws they simply don’t like.

In her dissent Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg expressed similar fears: “Approving some religious claims while deeming others unworthy of accommodation could be ‘perceived as favoring one religion over another,’ … The court, I fear, has ventured into a minefield.” she wrote.

Khilāf Krafts’ new policy has attracted outrage from women’s rights groups and Christian churches around the country. However, owner Khaleed El-Helani says he’s just a business owner practicing his faith.

“If Hobby Lobby can impose its religious beliefs on its employees, why can’t we?” he demands. “Are Christian business owners somehow more important than Muslim business owners?

“I read through the entire Supreme Court decision. I don’t really see what the problem is here. I’m a small, closely held business. I have devout religious beliefs. Why should I be forced to employ people if it violates my religion?”

El-Helani also says he plans on cutting off his employees’ hands if he catches them stealing, in accordance with Islamic law.

“This is what religious freedom looks like,” he explains. “Thanks John Roberts!”

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/821...ristian-employees-to-wear-headscarfs-is-fake/

Bogus shite from last year. Thanks for displaying your idiocy again.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/821...ristian-employees-to-wear-headscarfs-is-fake/

Bogus shite from last year. Thanks for displaying your idiocy again.

Like the shitstain does with everything internet that sounds good to his cauliflower ears instead of being factual, he's been deer-pelleting this all over Lit.

Can a complete aneurysm be far behind? We can only hope.

 

[Comshaw]

Because when I read this I could not decide if I would rather put a foot up his ass or a bullet in his head... I had the strongest urge to do one or the other which would be doing the human race a favor.

The American War on Christianity.
Joseph Callahan
Writer, Artist, Business Owner, Human Being


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josep...nity_b_7206576.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

It is pretty hard now days to turn on the television or open a newspaper without hearing about "the war on Christianity" and see devout believers lamenting on how horribly they are "persecuted" in America today. With gay marriage, abortion and atheists removing God from every aspect of the government, it seems pretty obvious that we secular citizens are using separation of church and state as a new battlefield against religion. How horrible a life American Christians must be forced to live.

In Iran, Christians are being executed for their faith. In Myanmar, you can be thrown in prison just for owning a Bible. In North Korea, well, you face death just for believing any God exists. The 2015 report from the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) shows that 13 million people have fled seven countries (Syria, Iraq, Nigeria, Central African Republic (CAR), Eritrea, Burma, and Afghanistan). Many of those displaced are Christians, and mostly due to fear of violence and/or death.

The Bible, and distributing it, is restricted in over 50 countries worldwide, and spreading the gospel will land you in jail or executed in many of those. But none of this compares to the wholly American horror of (possibly) being forced to bake a cake for a gay wedding! How could we compare the American "war on Christianity" to the Christians (and other religious beliefs) persecuted worldwide? I mean, our own little bubble, and our own discomforts in the first world are all that really matter. The rest of the world isn't us, so we shouldn't compare ourselves to them, right?

In America today, you can proudly say, "I'm a Christian" and carry a Bible with you everywhere you go. You can go to any church you want to without being arrested. You can say anything you want! You can even proclaim that you worship the Giant Spaghetti Monster, and all the persecution you will receive is strange looks from some people. Yet, in this, one of the most religiously tolerant nations, Christians are screaming persecution just because our laws are changing to embrace everyone's belief structure. By not allowing one faith to force their beliefs down our legal throats, the country has launched a "war" on (one specific) faith.

Let's say, for one minute, that this perceived war on Christianity is real, that American liberals and atheists want to persecute believers out of a shear sense on malevolence. What should the Christian believer do in face of such hideous mistreatment? Let's turn to our Bibles.

Persecution should come as no big surprise if you read your Bibles. In John 15:20b (NIV), Jesus states "If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also." Well, what exactly happened to Jesus? I think being beaten and executed counts as persecution. So, since "the world" (Non-believers) persecuted Jesus, shouldn't Christians expect persecution? Even Paul warns Timothy, "All who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution," (2 Timothy 3:12 NKJV).

So, Christians, at least those who read their Bibles, should not be surprised at persecution, weather real or perceived. They should, in fact, expect it. Jesus said, "In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer..." (John 16:33 KJV), and the Apostle Peter said, "If you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name," (1 Peter 4:16 NIV). So, not only should Christians expect persecution, but they should embrace it as a way to glorify God and be more Christ-like. The last thing they should ever do is complain. "Give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you," (1 Thessalonians 5:18 ESV).

Now, American Christians don't face death or jail, like many believers in other nations do, so they are forced to find this persecution anywhere they can. They have to look hard to find it, not to whine and lament about the injustice of it all, but to grow and rejoice in their faith. It makes me wonder, if we are truly waging a war on Christianity, then aren't we really doing them a favor?

So you would advocate that Christianity in America have the same power and influence as Islam has over those countries where the fundamentalist hold sway? You would in essence return to the medieval era where inquisitions were the norm, where heretics and those who believed differently were drawn and quartered? I'm sure you wouldn't go that far, but it seems you have no problem deciding what the rest of us should or should not believe.

I think your ire comes from the fact that the author had a very valid and truthful point. All religions and the Christian faith in particular can practice their religion without fear in this country. And yet they whine about being persecuted because others have been given some of the same freedoms. Saying that reminds me of a spoiled child who has the best of everything yet whines that they have nothing and are unloved. Many in this country scream for their freedom but staunchly refuse to give the same to others. How can you defend a view point that demands you have the freedom to practice religion as you wish, but at the same time insist that everyone who believe differently are denied the same? To secure your own freedom, you must give what you demand. If that isn't done then we will be living under the Christian equivalent of sharia law. Personally I will die fighting before I live under either one.

Some say it much more eloquently then I can. This quote is one of the best on that subject.

From the movie "The American President"

President Andrew Shepard:
...America isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship. You gotta want it bad, 'cause it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say "You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country can't just be a flag; the symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest. Show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms. Then, you can stand up and sing about the "land of the free"...


'nuff said


Comshaw

 

[RobDownSouth]

Christians in America are not "persecuted".

Americans rebuff fundamentalist Christian attempts to coerce people into following Christian beliefs by force of law.

America is not, and has never been, a "Christian nation".

 

[Que]

The First Amendment was merely to prevent the federal government from establishing a national religion.

It was to keep the government out of church is not the other way around.

Religion figured heavily into politics.

States could and some did have official religions.

Revisionist "history" notwithstanding.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The First Amendment was merely to prevent the federal government from establishing a national religion.

It was to keep the government out of church is not the other way around.

Can't have it that way bub...it's either in or out. Kinda like being sorta pregnant....the mere concept is a total fucking joke.

Religion figured heavily into politics.

States could and some did have official religions.

Revisionist "history" notwithstanding.

Note...DID...

State religion is the absolute antithesis of religious freedom....you can't have both at the same time, RW theocrat claims to the contrary notwithstanding.

It's in-fuckin-possible, which is what makes it so funny the RW is all of a sudden outraged at religious freedom because other religions they don't approve of are using the same laws they enjoy to the same end. The hypocritical asshole factor is fucking phenomenal. If you want to pass a law so you can get all Gawd n' Jeezuz at work as a 'small closely held corporation" then you better be ok with every other religion doing it too. Or just cut the bull, own not giving a fuck about religious freedom and admit they are in fact a theoCon tyrants.

You know what? This will just keep happening....it won't be long before another Red state goes all "RELIGIOUS FREEDOM!!!....but only for Christians....*Sighhhhhhh* and jews too....because we have to be PC for the god damn LIBURHULZ!! and their fucking diversity! But FUCK everyone else!!" law against some other demographic outside the congregations approval to legally shit on. And we will be right back in this thread...prob different title but it will be the same damn thread.

Some say it much more eloquently then I can. This quote is one of the best on that subject.

From the movie "The American President"

President Andrew Shepard:
...America isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship. You gotta want it bad, 'cause it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say "You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country can't just be a flag; the symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest. Show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms. Then, you can stand up and sing about the "land of the free"...


'nuff said

Comshaw

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/173/164/nailed_it_RE_20th_Century_fox_theme_on_flute-s240x320-227191.jpg

 

[KingOrfeo]

I Still Have Lots Of The "Old Man" In Me.

Well, there's no need to tell the Old Man that; if you wanted him to wear a rubber you should have said so. Just get a colonic cleansing.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Because when I read this I could not decide if I would rather put a foot up his ass or a bullet in his head... I had the strongest urge to do one or the other which would be doing the human race a favor.

Joseph Callahan is clearly a better and a smarter man than you and everything he says in that article is true. If you want to do the human race a favor, commit suicide. If you want to do yourself a favor, read the article again and take it under advisement. He's right, you're wrong, and you don't have to be wrong.

 

[KingOrfeo]

State religion is the absolute antithesis of religious freedom....you can't have both at the same time, RW theocrat claims to the contrary notwithstanding.

The UK manages to have both at the same time, doesn't it?

Of course, that is because their Established Church is the Church of England, of which it has been said that it is a very accommodating church, which interferes neither with a man's politics nor with his religion.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The First Amendment was merely to prevent the federal government from establishing a national religion.

It was to keep the government out of church is not the other way around.

Religion figured heavily into politics.

States could and some did have official religions.

Revisionist "history" notwithstanding.

Are you completely ignorant of the power the church held in Europe over the centuries? Any cursory look at history would tell you not only is more likely they were worried about the church getting into politics than the other way around (at least assuming they were rational) they didn't phrase it that way. And we have to assume that when several of the best minds of their day got together and said, this shall not happen they would have specified if they'd meant one thing of the other exclusively.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The UK manages to have both at the same time, doesn't it?

Not if it interferes with anyone in any way under penalty of law it doesn't....

Don't they pay taxes to the church? LOL fuck that theocratic bullshit.

Of course, that is because their Established Church is the Church of England, of which it has been said that it is a very accommodating church, which interferes neither with a man's politics nor with his religion.

IF that is really true, then the Church of England is only so in name/history and the state is secular....but I'm rather certain the UK has plenty of Bible thumping laws/privileges/powers in there if one looks.

I'm not certain but I would say no way such a religious nation has fully separated itself from GAWD N' JEEEEZUCE!!

 

[Sean Renaud]

No I'm sorry it doesn't work like that...

The UK kinda makes up what it wants and it mostly works. It's like most of the world doesn't have freedom of speech as any sort of guarantee but in practice the difference between European Freedom of Speech and American comes down to they get less violence on public television and we get much less sex.

Which is just to say that while something may not hold true on paper it doesn't mean that it isn't working practice.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The UK kinda makes up what it wants and it mostly works. It's like most of the world doesn't have freedom of speech as any sort of guarantee but in practice the difference between European Freedom of Speech and American comes down to they get less violence on public television and we get much less sex.

Which is just to say that while something may not hold true on paper it doesn't mean that it isn't working practice.

On 17 May 2012 the Church of England welcomed an agreement with the government over the future funding of alterations and repairs to its 12,500 listed buildings, providing an extra £30 million a year on top of the £12 million already granted by the government to the Church of England in the Listed Places of Worship Grant Scheme

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Properties_and_finances_of_the_Church_of_England

They (the asshole government of the UK) make other folks pay for that fuck nugget Jesus and his dip shit savage followers to have a nice ass place to worship....

That' ain't fucking religious freedom .....

In fact it's the mother fuckin ANTITHESIS of religious freedom...that's theocratic tyranny in it's purest fuckin' form. I'm not saying the US is all that much better but let's not get delusional about how fuckin' secular European nations are they fucking CHUG Jesus cock all god damn day and they put a gun to their citizens heads to do the same.

"Break yo'self for Jesus mother fucker!" - Progressive Socialist Europe....

 

[dan_c00000]

Because BotanyBoy, People like you and Joseph Callahan are murders and thieves of the worst kind.

Botnayboy may be -and claims to be a lot of things- but I'm reasonable sure he isn't a murder. Same goes for the writer of that article.

You're just pissed someone used your magic Jesus book in a way you didn't like. Kind of like how you always skip over the bit in Matthew where Jesus tells his followers to love their neighbors as they love themselves. You "Christians" usually go right to the stone the gays part.

Here's a list of absurd shit the stone the gays guy (Liviticus) also tells you can't do:

1. Burning any yeast or honey in offerings to God (2:11)

2. Failing to include salt in offerings to God (2:13)

3. Eating fat (3:17)

4. Eating blood (3:17)

11. Bringing unauthorised fire before God (10:1)

12. Letting your hair become unkempt (10:6)

13. Tearing your clothes (10:6)

14. Drinking alcohol in holy places (bit of a problem for Catholics, this ‘un) (10:9)

15. Eating an animal which doesn’t both chew cud and has a divided hoof (cf: camel, rabbit, pig) (11:4-7)

16. Touching the carcass of any of the above (problems here for rugby) (11:8)

17. Eating – or touching the carcass of – any seafood without fins or scales (11:10-12)

18. Eating – or touching the carcass of - eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, the red kite, any kind of black kite, any kind of raven, the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat. (11:13-19)

19. Eating – or touching the carcass of – flying insects with four legs, unless those legs are jointed (11:20-22)

20. Eating any animal which walks on all four and has paws (good news for cats) (11:27)

21. Eating – or touching the carcass of – the weasel, the rat, any kind of great lizard, the gecko, the monitor lizard, the wall lizard, the skink and the chameleon (11:29)

22. Eating – or touching the carcass of – any creature which crawls on many legs, or its belly (11:41-42)

23. Going to church within 33 days after giving birth to a boy (12:4)

24. Going to church within 66 days after giving birth to a girl (12:5)

38. Giving your children to be sacrificed to Molek (18:21)

42. Reaping to the very edges of a field (19:9)

43. Picking up grapes that have fallen in your vineyard (19:10)

54. Mixing fabrics in clothing (19:19)

58. Eating fruit from a tree within four years of planting it (19:23)

60. Trimming your beard (19:27)

61. Cutting your hair at the sides (19:27)

75. Selling land permanently (25:23)

If you've done any of those (my linen/cotton blend suit did me in) I'll see you in hell!